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    After clean help!

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    Hi all,

    Well I gave my machine a scale clean and everything is fine, except it seems the steam wand is really powerful now! I cant get the same microfoam I used to :( It is making hot milk but turning it into soapy big bubble crap. Surely cleaning the wand wouldnt do this?! It wasnt blocked before the clean either, I just thought it needed a descale since I havent done one since I bought it. However I have been using Dairy Farmers "New" 2% which I havent before, which may be the problem? Any help would be useful! Also I did play around with the settings but they didnt help so I put them back to factory.

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    I bet its the milk.

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    Try your previous milk and see how you go.

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    Yeah I will try the old milk and see how I go, thanks for the replies!

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    Ok I tried full cream but my milk isnt the same as it used to be since I have descaled :( what have I done!! To describe what the steam wand is doing, its like it is steaming way too much and the milk is getting hot but thats it, its hot milk not microfoam that is nice and thick. Any ideas?

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    Hi guys, I have had that problem myself, not right after a scale flush, but i find its wasnt because of any descaling or cleaning but i was heating the milk up too fast and basically boiling the top layer of milk causing these horrible bubbles and watery base milk. So i practiced the stretch and micro foam techniques and got back into it. Im pretty sure (but dont take this for gospel) that the descale works the groups and not the boiler? and the groups have an instantaneous boiler?? so descaling the groups shouldnt effect the steamer. I suppose unless its a smaller machine that takes water from the boiler.

    My technique now involves cold milk jug cold milk with every cup. I rinse and re fridge the jug between cups to try to keep it cold and clean for every customer. Seems to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6F57575F5167684D5E5E4B380 link=1270976829/5#5 date=1275964580
    Hi guys, I have had that problem myself, not right after a scale flush, but i find its wasnt because of any descaling or cleaning but i was heating the milk up too fast and basically boiling the top layer of milk causing these horrible bubbles and watery base milk.
    As usual - PEBFAG

    So i practiced the stretch and micro foam techniques and got back into it. Im pretty sure (but dont take this for gospel) that the descale works the groups and not the boiler? and the groups have an instantaneous boiler?? so descaling the groups shouldnt effect the steamer. I suppose unless its a smaller machine that takes water from the boiler.
    With out know the machine your talking about... It is hard to call..

    But the EM5900 does not have septate thermo blocks if my recall is correct. One path way and if dirty... A de scale and back flush is always good..

    My technique now involves cold milk jug cold milk with every cup. I rinse and re fridge the jug between cups to try to keep it cold and clean for every customer. Seems to help.

    I do that at home.. Always have...


    Doing that for ever customer would be an interesting logistical nightmare with 5 plus different milk types and 15 plus orders at teh counter AND two on the machine.. I could just see the layout in the fridge AND the Dish Person ::) trying to play dodgems... Clean and put back in the right place in teh fridge and not collide with other staff ;D

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    Re: After clean help!

    Woogi Too can you please explain what you mean by "stretch and micro foam techniques"? I find that if I do the milk exactly as they show in the Sunbeam instructional videos that I get borderline quality milk at best. Ive found the best I can get is slightly too foamy and Ive been trying very hard to get it right.

    Im no guru by any means, but I am of the opinion that the way Sunbeam have set up the steaming function is far from optimal. I have had this machine for 2 months and I am yet to see the whirlpool effect even once. If I plunge the wand deeper than just at the tip of the surface the milk barely rises at all before it gets too hot to continue.

    The margin for error seems very small, if I basically dont suck as much air as possible in those first 20 seconds or so the opportunity is lost and I end up with hot but very flat milk, not good. Thats why I mention "too foamy" as being the best I can do, as Id rather too foamy than too flat but try as I might I can not get microfoam with this machine. I bought this machine on ebay from someone who claimed they had only used it 3 times but perhaps theyd used it more than they said and I should try a descale. Im tempted to do a single day barista course where you take your own machine just to see if the teacher can show me how to get a better result!

    By contrast the Breville 800ES I have at work produces much closer to perfect microfoam and I can get it much more consistently. The wand produces a whirlpool effect with ease and I can control quite easily whether I want the milk to rise more or leave the level where it is until the correct temperature is reached. I am confident that the occasional mediocre result I get is down to my technique not any machine inadequacies.

    I also notice with the ticking noise that both machines make as they pump out steam that the Breville ticks at a faster rate. Not sure if that means its pumping out more forcefully but it seems to have more than adequate "power" whereas the Sunbeam seems to be underpowered watching it struggle with the milk. Hence the need to drag in is as much air at the very beginning with the Sunbeam or get a very poor result. I had a Cafe Crema before this one and the steaming seemed to be underpowered with that model too, serves me right for trusting Sunbeam again I guess. And that Cafe Crema was a warranty replacement for the first one that used to overheat about 1 in 5 espresso pours, steam would come pouring out from around the filter basket, the repairman said it was not possible due to the thermostat but Sunbeam replaced the machine so I guess it was. :-?

    Of course I may be wrong, Id love to hear any other advice from people getting a better result than I can from a Sunbeam (similar or lower model as the more expensive machines have a different setup and are not really comparable).



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