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    Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

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    This was originally posted under Milk Froth and Bubbles (http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1275567217/0 moderator please delete if possible) but as I did not get any response I thought I would try here.

    I own a Sunbeam EM5900 at home (newly acquired) and a Breville 800ES at work. I froth the milk the same way with both as per the Paul Bassett DVD.

    I place the nozzles (without froth enhancers) just below the surface, a bit in from the edge with the jug at an angle. As the milk rises I move the nozzle up so that it stays just below the surface.

    With the Breville I am very happy with the result, I can get a very good microfoam for a flat white and if I wanted to I could keep going to get froth suitable for a cappuccino.

    With the Sunbeam I get close to what I want (perhaps 15-20% off the double volume I am looking for with a flat white) and then the milk starts to get large bubbles and no amount of fiddling with the depth or the angles will stop the excessive bubbling. I assume this is because the milk is getting too hot.

    What can I do to get that last little bit of volume? I had this same problem with a Breville Cafe Venezia which I had blamed on the machine but now I am wondering if my technique rather than the machines is the problem. Used to own a cheap Cafe Roma, whilst slow it worked fine, the EM5900 should be able to do better than that.

    The Sunbeam has a knob which allows you to vary the pressure, although on the DVD this is turned to full and not changed. Also I can actually adjust the temperature (up or down) of the steam via a preset function. Should I be doing something with either of these or should I be doing something else?

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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    Quote Originally Posted by 0219120F0E01140F12600 link=1275987949/0#0 date=1275987949
    This was originally posted under Milk Froth and Bubbles (http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1275567217/0 moderator please delete if possible) but as I did not get any response I thought I would try here.

    I own a Sunbeam EM5900 at home (newly acquired) and a Breville 800ES at work. I froth the milk the same way with both as per the Paul Bassett DVD.
    I place the nozzles (without froth enhancers) just below the surface, a bit in from the edge with the jug at an angle. As the milk rises I move the nozzle up so that it stays just below the surface.

    With the Breville I am very happy with the result, I can get a very good microfoam for a flat white and if I wanted to I could keep going to get froth suitable for a cappuccino.

    With the Sunbeam I get close to what I want (perhaps 15-20% off the double volume I am looking for with a flat white) and then the milk starts to get large bubbles and no amount of fiddling with the depth or the angles will stop the excessive bubbling. I assume this is because the milk is getting too hot.

    What can I do to get that last little bit of volume? I had this same problem with a Breville Cafe Venezia which I had blamed on the machine but now I am wondering if my technique rather than the machines is the problem. Used to own a cheap Cafe Roma, whilst slow it worked fine, the EM5900 should be able to do better than that.

    The Sunbeam has a knob which allows you to vary the pressure, although on the DVD this is turned to full and not changed. Also I can actually adjust the temperature (up or down) of the steam via a preset function. Should I be doing something with either of these or should I be doing something else?
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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    Quote Originally Posted by 445F54494847524954260 link=1275987949/0#0 date=1275987949
    I assume this is because the milk is getting too hot.
    I agree.
    Ive read that when you first start to feel the jug getting warm thats when your window of opportunity is closing.

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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    I assume that short_black_fella means its in the way I introduce the air. I have been experimenting with this and I think Im getting a little bit better at it but still not quite where I want it.

    All I can say is that compared to the Breville the Sunbeam has a much smaller margin for error and seems to be very unforgiving of the tiniest error in technique. The milk heats quite rapidly and the window of opportunity is quite small to get the air just right.

    Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing but Id love to see someone who is an expert at milk texturing use it a few times and give a verdict. This seems about the only way to know for sure what the machine is really capable of.

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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F343F22232C39223F4D0 link=1275987950/3#3 date=1276502660
    Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing but Id love to see someone who is an expert at milk texturing use it a few times and give a verdict. This seems about the only way to know for sure what the machine is really capable of.
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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    Ive had the same issue for ages and cant seem to fix it. It is annoying since I use my gfs cheap sunbeam and it microfoams to cafe quality while my machine at triple the price cant! It is very annoying. Sunbeam cant even tell me what the issue is. This is what I have done so far:

    -Desale (which to have caused the issue for some reason)
    -Used all sorts of milk
    -Played with setting, wetness and heat
    -Went back to default
    -Poked the tip with the poker

    It always made great microfoam and ever since a descale things have changed for the worst! Would a descale really have any effect anyway? One thing Sunbeam did say was maybe something is lodge in the wand and to do another descale?


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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    Ok well my warranty was going to expire next month so I explained my issue with Sunbeam and I was able to get a replacement for my machine which was fantastic! I have had a play with it tonight and it works like a charm. I knew it wasnt my technique! Who knows what the problem was but I am now making mircro foam they why I used to. So if anyone runs into this issue it is worth calling on.

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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

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    Re: Cant get good microfoam with Sunbeam EM5900

    can i revive this thread?

    im also struggling with my microfoam on my EM5900

    tried KKs method + angling of jug to compensate for single hole tip but to no avail

    usually get a thicker layer of foam at top - but def no microfoam :(



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