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    I have been approached by a rep from pauls milk to change over for my cafe. he said to me to use the "2% fat milk" because you can use it for skinny and for full cream drinks, he said alot of cafes use it so they dont have to stock skinny and full cream because the 2% fat has a creamy taste.
    what do you guys think of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyk84 link=1208990756/0#0 date=1208990756
    I have been approached by a rep from pauls milk to change over for my cafe. he said to me to use the "2% fat milk" because you can use it for skinny and for full cream drinks, he said alot of cafes use it so they dont have to stock skinny and full cream because the 2% fat has a creamy taste.
    what do you guys think of it?
    Absolute rubbish

    Just another sales rep trying to palm off more expensive modified product. People who order skim want close to 0%, not 2%.

    There is much better available than that and if the sales person is a representative of company attitude, Id be escorting him rapidly to the door and giving him a little What mediocrity....

    Dont waste the cash or your time with this goose.

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    At veneziano we make a compromise with the taste and the fat content of the milk. We stock Pura light start 2L and its a greaat trade off for those ordering skinny milk but still has a good taste.

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    Yep, the Pura Light Start is a very good compromise!

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    Im only a newbie to this site and to coffee brewing.
    I use (and prefer) Pauls "Smart White" milk (2% fat) and I prefer it to ALL other milk. It froths up just as well as any other Ive tried, and I prefer the taste !!

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    I used to only buy the "smarter white" too until a report came up somewhere (on TV I think) saying that studies have linked low fat milk to increase chances of prostate cancer in men and infertility in women. After that its only full cream in my fridge. Anyone know if theres any truth to these allegations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewToEspresso link=1208990756/0#5 date=1209696216
    I used to only buy the "smarter white" too until a report came up somewhere (on TV I think) saying that studies have linked low fat milk to increase chances of prostate cancer in men and infertility in women. After that its only full cream in my fridge. Anyone know if theres any truth to these allegations?
    I just read up a few articles through a google search. *Could only find one study showing a link, and it seemed a very slight association between skim / low fat milk consumption and increased malignancy (I think it was the malignancy not the occurance of cancer that had an association in that particular study. *From what I could glean, if there was a cancer then there was a slightly stronger association with the malignant form and consumption of skim/low fat milk. *But I didnt read the original research paper and of course all the normal magazine reports etc prefer to sensationalise rather than tell the truth - though most of the journos probably wouldnt undertand the research in any case). *

    On the other hand, there appears to be a multitude of studies showing an association between milk fat and heart disease. *I believe the link between fat consumption and heart disease, through its association with cholesterol production from fats/carbohydrates as part of the digestive process, is more widely accepted at this time.

    So there are a few choices of how to die - from cancer, from heart disease or from starvation :)

    Edit: Other factors reported to have a positive association with prostate cancer include red meat, high calcium intake, body mass index, vitamin D (not sure what form). *A link is a far cry from a sole cause, and research appears to be still in relatively early phases.

    In Australia in 2006, 34,448 people died from angina, heart attack, blocked arteries plus strokes or similar (not including heart failure - generic or cardiac arrhythmias); 2,952 died from prostate cancer. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mf/3303.0?OpenDocument.

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    Interesting. When my wife was pregnant she had getational diabetes. The doctors told her to stay away from all low fat dairy products, even when she had our baby and was diabetes free. Aparantly with low fat dairy products, the reduced fat content means they become higher GI foods. So you are better off with full fat (which is normally only around 3.8% - 5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyk84 link=1208990756/0#0 date=1208990756
    he said to me to use the "2% fat milk" because you can use it for skinny and for full cream drinks, he said alot of cafes use it so they dont have to stock skinny and full cream because the 2% fat has a creamy taste.
    I think test it for yourself...

    I know that "crema" milk 4% and no fat milk are great and work awesome in coffee. Its either dairy farmers or pauls this milk...

    2% isnt skinny either...I wouldnt sell something that wasnt what the customer wanted...in the end theyre whats paying you to live or keep the shop open...so theyre your boss if you think of it that way

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    Agreed.

    If I ask for Coke I dont mean Pepsi or vice versa.
    I can taste the difference.
    The same with milk.
    I can taste the difference between full cream, light and skim.

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    Agreed also....

    Even between brands of "Full cream"....

    I normally use Bannister Downs..... but sometimes dont have enough when I have a sudden influx of guests.... so down to the local shop for 2 (or maybe 4) litres of milk.

    There are two main suppliers of milk here in WA..... and neither are near as good as the above - even to my taste. But my wife prefers one of those brands of full cream milk compared to the other..... however if they have run out of that one I get the other......

    As soon as she has her latte..... "You got that brand of milk again!!!!.... in a disapproving voice. Me.... I cant tell them apart but she can!!

    So be very wary what you serve up to someone who usually takes milk based drinks (I dont) - they CAN taste the difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1208990756/0#7 date=1209867432
    The doctors told her to stay away from all low fat dairy products
    This is what Doctors say that really annoy me. Blanket statements like that. grrrr
    My wife was in the same vote, the doc even said dont eat fruit - which was incorrect as Apples, Oranges and very Slightly green Bananas are Low GI... as is Light Milk... A bit of research over blanket statements that doctors make (Which Id like to add arent dietitians and really arent qualified to give advise in this area) goes along way and really opens your eyes and opens your options we well!

    Here is something that will shock you - Nestle Quik, when mixed in Milk (skim or full cream) is a low GI drink! Who would have thought...


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    I used to eat Quik out of the tin.

    Now I cant even take it in milk.

    Youll probably get more fat from cheese than any milk. Everything in moderation is best. Once you start cutting out food groups you know youre going to be in trouble.

    Have had zero complaints about the milk we use (except theres no soy), and its HB full cream, and Woolies skim.

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    The sales rep is correct in that there are a few places that use this milk instead of stocking a Full Cream and a Low Fat/No Fat product. The Smarter White Milk to the person who stated that it is a more expensive modified milk is incorrect. It is actually cheaper than the Rev and Skinny modified milk. I have been in hospitality for over 14 years and have used a variety of milks. There is nothing wrong with the Smarter White Milk. It has great frothing texture and has a full cream taste as well as being a low fat milk. However, I use a F/C and Skinny as my two products. It is upto and your customers on what you would prefer stock.

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    Another thing to admit Im a snob of - milk. NOTHING tastes like full cream milk except full cream milk. I have always been able to pick the difference in milks. Huge difference to my tastebuds.
    Keep your customers happy by giving them what they order. Order full cream - get full cream. Order skim - get skim.
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    The more fat the more protein, the more protein the more hold a coffee has with its froth. You will notice with supermarket milks that the top might taste ok but halfway through and down its watery and has no body. This is because they stretch the milk, making 1.1 litres from 1litre so its cheaper. According to my source(production manger for a milk company). Basically frothy milks will have more protein added to it so it should be better for coffee but sometimes it has a overpowering affect on the coffee. The other thing to look out for is permeate free milk.
    (Farmer Paul Weir blew the whistle on this industry practice. Where a cheap watery substitute called permeate is being added to your milk to make more of it cheaply and therefore make more profits)
    6 Months ago i was in the same boat, i recently did a tour of a milk factory and researched it pretty hard. Coffee is my business, i dont care about paying 20 cents extra for good milk.

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    Well...you could inform your customer that skinny/slim milk (in most cases) has a higher level of carbs and sugar than full cream!!!! So tell them, they are going to lose more weight if they drink full cream! (coz the whole world knows...sugar and carbs make you fat.....fat does not make you fat)! I had a laugh (Thats my POV)

    If you dont believe me......check it out for yourself
    Skinny/slim milk nutrition compared to full cream milk nutrition information. :)

    http://www.cluboptislim.com.au/foods/category.php?brand_id=-1&category_id=9&subcat_id=-1&partner=

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    AAnd... I drink full cream coz it tastes better :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 062F2A39222126372B1C0F2A263130202B430 link=1208990756/16#16 date=1283506154
    Well...you could inform your customer that skinny/slim milk (in most cases) has a higher level of carbs and sugar than full cream!!!!
    Generally the carb and sugar (well, in milk all the carbs are sugars) levels are identical (or near enough to it) in skim and full cream milk with any slight difference being negligible.

    Full cream milk is definitely easier to work with in terms of coffee but if you know what youre doing you can get great results with good quality skim and cut down on your fat intake in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 525F45425E555D5F45445807300 link=1208990756/15#15 date=1259213704
    The more fat the more protein
    I think you should check your source of this statement.
    Check the dietery index on the side of any milk bottle.
    There is more protein, carbs and sugars in skinny milk because they are removing the fat content only.

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    as a rep i dont want to comment on how other people do there jobs. having said that i love coffee and if i order a cafe latte thats what i hope i would get, not a %2 fat one.

    you need to stock full cream milk.it brings out the best in your coffee

    as was said before
    "At veneziano we make a compromise with the taste and the fat content of the milk. We stock Pura light start 2L and its a greaat trade off for those ordering skinny milk but still has a good taste "

    i totaly in favior of this
    lite start at 1% still lets you offer a "lite" coffee with out compermising your quality of coffee.
    run both, full and lite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26031407200D1706100B07620 link=1208990756/20#20 date=1288329591
    you need to stock full cream milk.it brings out the best in your coffee
    Amen to that. ;)

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    Its milk in one coffee for goodness sake!
    If the fat content bothers you, cut down on something else or park the car a block away and walk a bit further. ::)

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    If some cafes are using 2% fat milk for all coffees, that might help explain why some places make coffee that I like and others serve up disappointing coffee . I know I only like full cream milk in my coffee as low fat milk just doesnt taste right to me . Next time I am out with my sis and she asks for a low fat latte I am going to do a taste test to see if there is any difference between hers and mine. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 417D607B717067727A71150 link=1208990756/22#22 date=1288354235
    Its milk in one coffee for goodness sake!
    If the fat content bothers you, cut down on something else or park the car a block away and walk a bit further. *::)
    haha GOLD! So true :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1F233E252F2E392C242F4B0 link=1208990756/22#22 date=1288354235
    Its milk in one coffee for goodness sake!
    If the fat content bothers you, cut down on something else or park the car a block away and walk a bit further. *::)
    We all want, and go to the trouble of getting and making the best coffee.
    The fact that we are here on this forum is because of the love of great coffee, whether we brew it, roast it or to go to the best cafe.
    The only way you can complement great coffee with milk (if you need milk in your coffee) is use full cream.
    If anyone has issues about their health and weight, then perhaps cut down on cheese, ice cream, creme caramels etc....and drink pure 4% fat content full cream milk.
    And there is the feeling of inner glow and happiness not to mention fitness to be had by spending half hour a day walking, playing with the kids or swimming, just to name a few enjoyable activities.
    Another side effect of physical activity is the positive effects to mental health, the ability to think more clearer, good oxygen intake helps the brain.
    To me, the only reason cafes use low fat, is to make more froth, but then a good barista will make good froth using full cream. My feeling is cappucinos taste better with full cream milk and a denser foam. I prefer my caps to look like monks caps than high hats anyway.
    Enjoy the outdoors, have a good walk, play with the kids, join a club and spend your days with a well roasted and brewed coffee with full cream milk.
    Your taste buds, mind and body will love you for it.

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    I have a significant number of customers who prefer the skim taste, they find the full cream taste unpleasant. I find generally they have drunk skim for years (for a number of reasons) and over time their taste buds have changed and they cant stand the full cream stuff now. Me full cream every time but I wonder what it is that changes on peoples pallets to push this change? I also have a bunch of people who claim they cant taste the difference between skim (ie no fat) and full cream!! There must be something different with their pallets too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3F313C332432335D0 link=1208990756/26#26 date=1288408494
    I also have a bunch of people who claim they cant taste the difference between skim (ie no fat) and full cream!!
    And these same people probably have very busy lives and their minds are somewhere and the act of drinking coffee is secondary to their primary objectives. They just need to sit down, relax and taste and enjoy the nuances of the coffee and its milk in order to discern and appreciate.
    *Blind people have a much more acute sense of taste and hearing. If anyone tells you they cant taste any difference, then politely ask them to close their eyes, taste and then take a breath. The olfactory senses have a part to play in the tasting process.
    * * Its like wine too, close your eyes, and you can begin to taste other secondary characters
    * * So coming back to discussion, people who cant taste difference between skim and full cream normally have a rushed and ham fisted approach to life.

    Gary :( * *

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    Quote Originally Posted by 607A777664726A6060130 link=1208990756/27#27 date=1288409755
    people who cant taste difference between skim and full cream normally have a rushed and ham fisted approach to life.
    Now thats a pretty broad statement Gary. ;)

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    Not sure about that Gary but in general they do tend to be middle aged women who say they cant tell the difference, no idea what that means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2C222F203721204E0 link=1208990756/29#29 date=1288411215
    Not sure about that Gary but in general they do tend to be middle aged women who say they cant tell the difference, no idea what that means?

    Brett
    Now were starting to narrow it down, so, middle aged women cant tell the difference between full cream and skim and have a rushed and ham fisted approach to life, your in dangerous territory there guys. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 754940584D2C0 link=1208990756/30#30 date=1288411625
    Now were starting to narrow it down, so, middle aged women cant tell the difference between full cream and skim and *have a rushed and ham fisted approach to life, your in dangerous territory there guys.
    Your words not mine jon. I am just reporting what I hear you are doing 1+1 =10, I do not want to get flamed by this one!! ;D :D

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    Full or Lite I dont mind and as long as it doesnt contain permeate. Ive only just found out what that funky taste was in some milks and will endeavor to steer clear of them!

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    I have found Pauls milk generally smells weird.

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    Just to shed a little more light on the low fat milks v full cream milk.

    Now I love a good freshly roasted, ground and brewed coffee - I roast and brew my own coffee because I got so sick of stale tasting, crappy brews that some shops are happy to call coffee, but that is another story. The reason that I prefer skim milk for my milk coffees has nothing to do with weight management (although it probably should) it has everything to do with mouth-feel. I just cannot stand the greasy mouth-feel of heated full cream milk!!!!

    And for those cafe owners that happen to read this post - people like me can tell the difference, Skim milk (<1% fat) I am happy - no greasy feel in my mouth after the coffee. Semi skim milk (about 2% fat) is noticable, leaves me with a slight fatty taste/feel in my mouth and it is not as pleasant. Full cream milk -* to me it is about the same as putting 1/2 a teaspoon of margarine in your mouth and trying to swallow it with your coffee. It is a really unpleasant feeling.

    I have long ago given up complaining to the coffee shop owners but when you ask for skim milk you expect it - not 2% - not New milk - not idiots thinking they will trick me with full cream milk - I just never return and I tell everyone that will listen as there is nothing stronger than word of mouth. So beware, I am out there and ready to take you down if you give me anything other than the skim milk that I have asked for.* :D

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    If you dont like the mouthfeel, why take milk at all? The eay I see it, mouthfeel is the whole point of stretching the milk to get microfoam.

    Cant say Ive ever noticed it being greasy, but I guess everyone is different.

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    sings "diet coke and a pizza please.." /sings

    I have worked in restaurants and functions for 15 years, been a barista for 8 of them. Nothing makes me laugh more than this debate.
    Bottom line, if a person is paying for their coffee, give them what they asked for.
    However I will never see the point of all those who eat desert and order a skim milk.. because they ate 26gms of fat in their chocolate fondant with a side of white chocolate mousse wrapped in a chocolate tuille

    From a business perspective, we test any new milk to see if its better than what we currently use, however, even if its a bit better, we will not support the big milk companies regardless. Locally produced and not modified, are the highest of our milk priorities.



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