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    Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

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    David S (First Pour) was saying a while ago that the Pura Light Start was getting very good results in the steaming department. I just bought my first carton today and after 3 attempts am finding it quite hard to get good microfoam for latte art... Is the Pura Light Start still doing good at First Pour?

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    as far as I know, Pura lightstart is fine and has been fine since I can remember. Granted, I have been away from work sick for the last 2 days.

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    Im in a texturing slump then...

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    Even I do crap jugs of Lightstart. Should make you wanna nail the next jug. If you want, go spend $5 on a 2L bottle and I know it sounds funny, but its something my sports psychologist recommends; while texturing the jug of milk, just think in your head, BOY IM GONNA NAIL THIS JUG OF MILK SO HARD........................I know it sounds weird, but its hard to explain on the internet.

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    I have great success with pura light start, its about the best of the light milks there are, fantastic art work, although I must say that my isomac really does struggle with it though, needless to say that the La Scala is the primary espresso machine these days, as much steam as you want which is a real must for great microfoam. So my question is; are you getting enough good dry steam from your machine?

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    Even I struggle on a La Marzocco! :D Sometimes you get the dud batch of milk, even in skinny ::)

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    Hey NTE!

    I use PLS all the time, and I get the most awesome microfoam. It does and I will admit this, have certain times of the year like full cream when the cows lactate, become a little hard to texture...and all you get is airy bubbles of nothing

    The hubby only drinks full cream, but I find that out of all of the low fat milks and this includes Rev, that this milk is the best.

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    I dont get big bubbles when texturing the lightstart, yesterday, it just wont stretch. The second attempt, I had to do the air-sucking-in part that much longer just to get a bit more microfoam. And even then, it was not enough. With full cream, if I extended the stretching part as much as I did with the light start, Id get too much foam. I put in pretty the same amount of milk everytime and after steaming, when I get a certain amount of increase in the volume, I can usually tell if it will pour nicely or if its a bit too thick or too thin. With the PLS, it has been thin, not the creamy texture that Id prefer but a tad too watery. Say, do I texture the low fat differently to full cream? I havent used low fat for that long...

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    Lately, My pura full cream seems to taste watery and the consistency is so runny. Almost as though its a light start 2%.

    Horrible....makes me want to buy my own cow.


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    I had that the other day with Farm House at work. It was a traditional cappuccino, 170mL cup, no chocolate. Farm House has 4.9% extra butter fat and it still tasted watery in the cup....beat me.

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    Whats happening to the cows?!

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    I assume winter is the time cows use some of the stored fat for themselves ??
    So give the cows a break
    Any dairy farmers on this forum, give us the answer??

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    I know a lot of people talk about cows, thats what the companies like to tell you. Milk companies purchase milk on fat content and fill the rest with powders and water. Some milks are pretty crap and will vary heaps. You can see some milks in the supermarket that look like white water.
    Also storage of milk will effect milk texturing. The older the milk the harder it will get to texture.
    When i use to deal with pura the driver would leave the milk outside. I would complained every week, but they said the milk got there just a few minutes before I got there. Worst milk ever. I lasted 2 weeks with them. The rep then told me that milk could be left outside for 8 hours. Bad drivers and lying reps = crap milk. Then I go to Leos supermarket and purchase pura milk and its great. Its most likely good because the diary managers at the supermarkets are really good and dont let them get away with anything.
    When ever i go to a supermarket I look at the diary fridge to see if they have good rotation and fresh stock. Aways go for the coldest milk and look at the dates. If the top of the milk bottle looks watery move to the next brand. When you pour milk into your jug you should already know whether its going to be good or bad. Best to not be loyal to a brand, but loyal to a place that has good rotation of milk. If farm house milk has a 12 day shelf life vs pura with a 10 day shelf life i know which one i will be picking.

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    In our household we use Pauls milk
    I beleave Pura owns Pauls milk but the Pauls milk is always much thicker with cream than Pura

    You are right Andy fresh is best
    The Pauls factory is about 4 km from my home in West End Brisbane so it might make the difference

    Question Has anybody tried that A2 Milk it is double the price so I have not tried it yet

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1210893799/0#13 date=1211069262

    Question Has anybody tried that A2 Milk it is double the price so I have not tried it yet
    A2 was my staple at home for quite some time. I think its a great milk that seems very consistent, naturally sweet, and does all the right things when being texturised. The price is a prob though, as is the availability, so have converted to Pura, both for the roastery and home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maccas_chicka link=1210893799/0#6 date=1210939448
    It does and I will admit this, have certain times of the year like full cream when the cows lactate, become a little hard to texture...
    Hmm...yes. But I think you would find it even harder if the cows didnt lactate... ;)

    Low fat milk textures better than full cream (up to about 4.5 or 5%), especially at lower temperatures. The more protein, the better volume and stability of the foam. Protein levels vary by season and feed type, and probably the proportion of whey to casein. A dairy farmer could tell us. Fat only helps foaming at higher proportions - I guess double cream would be great! However, most people like the creamy body and texture that fat provides.

    AndyL is so right about freshness and storage. Some shops/supermarkets get the transport and storage right, so their milk is better just for that reason.

    I personally hate the taste of cream in coffee, but this is a very individual thing. I find Pauls milk the most intrusive in terms of taste. I use Anlene low fat, 1.4g/100ml fat, 3.8g/100ml protein. Hideous name, not cheap, but great taste and texture (for me), and always seems to be fresh where I get it. However, maybe theres something else in it I dont know about :o Ive been told that Riverland is the best for coffee in NSW, but Ive never been able to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210893799/0#3 date=1210923886
    Even I do crap jugs of Lightstart. Should make you wanna nail the next jug. If you want, go spend $5 on a 2L bottle and I know it sounds funny, but its something my sports psychologist recommends; while texturing the jug of milk, just think in your head, BOY IM GONNA NAIL THIS JUG OF MILK SO HARD........................I know it sounds weird, but its hard to explain on the internet.
    Actually, this makes a lot of sense. The last time I had a latte art slump, the way I came out of it was I just happen to wake up one day and as I was steaming the milk, I just had it in my head that I was going to nail it... And it came out pretty well. It was nothing I was doing differently with the texturing, but it makes a lot of difference during the pour. When I felt that I was going to pour it well, it came out well. When I was tentative and unsure, it was all over the shop... I suspected then that pouring latte art is a lot to do with confidence (assuming the texturing is at least decent, silky and no noticeable bubbles).

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    I notice if i store my milk in the glass fridge overnight it really hard to get good foam. My fridges are pretty cold so thats not a problem. The light kills the milk. Also in normal fridge the milk last for around 3 days and then drops off on the 4th.

    4km from the factory would make a huge difference.


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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    To add another factor to this already complex question: I buy all my milk from Coles or Safeway (Woolies for non-Vics), whether it be Farm House, Light Start or the non-branded stuff. My office gets the milk (Pauls Full Cream) delivered in crates fresh on Tuesdays and Thursday mornings; somehow the texturing in my office (on the Gaggia Carezza) turns out heaps better than my silvia at home. Would the delivery mode be a significant factor in the milk texturing quality as well (could the milk from the big chain supermarkets be either not kept as well or not as fresh)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewToEspresso link=1210893799/15#18 date=1211249554
    To add another factor to this already complex question: I buy all my milk from Coles or Safeway (Woolies for non-Vics), whether it be Farm House, Light Start or the non-branded stuff. My office gets the milk (Pauls Full Cream) delivered in crates fresh on Tuesdays and Thursday mornings; somehow the texturing in my office (on the Gaggia Carezza) turns out heaps better than my silvia at home. Would the delivery mode be a significant factor in the milk texturing quality as well (could the milk from the big chain supermarkets be either not kept as well or not as fresh)?
    Are you buying the same brand of milk that gets delivered to the office? Ive tried a few different types of milks from Coles & Safeway and found that a few texture quite differently - especially the cheaper ones.

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    Re: Is Pura Light Start still doing it for you?

    Pauls Full Cream (office issue) comes in cardboard boxes but I coudlnt find the same milk in boxes from the supermarket chains. They only come in plastic bottles for Pauls Full Cream. Rev and the Coles brand ones come in boxes, but not Pauls Full Cream.



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