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    Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

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    Hi, all!
    Just wonder if anyone experienced this phenomenon when you buy the same brand of milk for few months and its all going ok, latte art is pouring itself and then all of a sudden something is changed in the milk and it textures nowhere near like it did a week ago - some soapy bubbles, no microfoam... Could it be seasonal or even caused by the heatwave in Melb?
    This type of bad texturing also happened earlier with a couple of odd milk bottles I bought from Coles...
    I just dont know what to do, I hope I havent lost my skills (whatever I had) just overnight..
    I feel embaraced serving bubbles in cappuccino to my wife...

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    Ive had this before. We get groceries from www.aussiefarmers.com.au which includes milk.......its been really consistent but there were a couple of bottles a few weeks back that just werent the same. The milk just wouldnt texture properly.....its all back to normal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E6065657A703938090 link=1234484329/1#1 date=1234486230
    Ive had this before. We get groceries from www.aussiefarmers.com.au which includes milk.......its been really consistent but there were a couple of bottles a few weeks back that just werent the same. The milk just wouldnt texture properly.....its all back to normal now.
    spot on!!! Aussie Farmers direct! guilty as charged, then.
    So this weeks batch may be alright then... I put this on heatwave.
    However, does anyone know, seasonal changes in food for cows should affect milk. Any brands more/less prone to that?

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    i notice this every now and then where i work. we use dairy farmers and for the last 2-3 weeks i havent been able to get proper micro foam with the full cream. driving me up the wall! there is another thread about this and there is talk of what the cows are fed affecting the milk

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 262D243731372036450 link=1234484329/2#2 date=1234486445
    Quote Originally Posted by 7E6065657A703938090 link=1234484329/1#1 date=1234486230
    Ive had this before. We get groceries from www.aussiefarmers.com.au which includes milk.......its been really consistent but there were a couple of bottles a few weeks back that just werent the same. The milk just wouldnt texture properly.....its all back to normal now.
    spot on!!! Aussie Farmers direct! guilty as charged, then.
    Not them... Its teh cows... :-*


    However, does anyone know, seasonal changes in food for cows should affect milk. Any brands more/less prone to that?
    All of the above and much more (Cows in calf have interesting changes to their milk) will impact on the milk and thus the processes that the supplier then applies to ensure the milk is processed, also impacts.. * If teh supplier has his heating *slightly at one extreme of the allowed tolerances and then as part of a service or Audit... Finds and corrects.. That can have an impact... *8-)

    No producer / supplier is totally immune and or able to fully control all the variables... Let alone and impacts that transport and those your local shop may introduce... * Like many things...

    Quality can be like a Bull in a china shop... *Regardless of the signs and intent, you can not control every thing. *And even when the problem is identified, you may have issues attempting to minimize the actual outcome.. *:-[

    Now if Milk was perfect and remained constant... Every one would be able to do it to perfection... So where is teh fun and learning in that??

    More bulls please *:D

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 446B62607748646B64626068606B71050 link=1234484329/4#4 date=1234488784
    More bulls please *
    Wow! Where do you get the bull milk?

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 794C5B5969514C535F525A3E0 link=1234484329/5#5 date=1234519852
    Quote Originally Posted by 446B62607748646B64626068606B71050 link=1234484329/4#4 date=1234488784
    More bulls please *
    Wow! Where do you get the bull milk?
    Would you really want to know? :-/

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    FWIW: I am having the same issue currently with Canberra Milk...

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    I had this on the weekend. First coffee of the day was with the last of one bottle of milk. All ok.

    Second coffee for friends later on in the day was a new bottle of milk. Large soapy bubbles. I thought I had slipped.

    Made another coffee, same thing.

    hmm, good to know its not just me - though my skills could do with some improving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 27252921212F2835460 link=1234484329/8#8 date=1234752169
    I had this on the weekend. First coffee of the day was with the last of one bottle of milk. All ok.

    Second coffee for friends later on in the day was a new bottle of milk. Large soapy bubbles. I thought I had slipped.

    Made another coffee, same thing.

    hmm, good to know its not just me - though my skills could do with some improving.
    yep - had similar experiences in the last week or two. Been using different milk brands as well.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Been getting bubbles in my milk too the last couple of weeks. Pauls full Cream, Farm House, Pura.. didnt make much difference, I still get bubbles.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4843594B141D2C0 link=1234484329/6#6 date=1234523619
    Quote Originally Posted by 794C5B5969514C535F525A3E0 link=1234484329/5#5 date=1234519852
    Quote Originally Posted by 446B62607748646B64626068606B71050 link=1234484329/4#4 date=1234488784
    More bulls please *
    Wow! Where do you get the bull milk?
    Would you really want to know? *:-/
    And the automatic milking machine doesnt stop until it gets 50 litres...

    Mooooooo!!

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 22293E292A2731480 link=1234484329/7#7 date=1234743575
    FWIW: I am having the same issue currently with Canberra Milk... *
    Both Canberra milk and Coles milk has been impossible to stretch over the last few weeks, no doubt caused by the very hot and dry weather affecting their feed. Since it is milk proteins that facilitate the expansion, it begs the question as to the change in the nutritional value of the milk.

    The fact that most brands of milk are affected simultaneously does raise questions as to how different the milk sources really are when compared to the price...

    Cheers

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Riverina Fresh still ok!! No dramatic changes.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Ive had the same problem with Canberra Milk over the last month. Interestingly the Skim milk still textures fine!

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Farm house has been perfect for as long as I can remember. I use it 6 days a week making coffee at work.

    Pura on the other hand including Pura Lite Start has been terrible!

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Dairy Farmers had trouble getting supply from North of state during the fires so substituted Pura in their delivery. Noticed change straight away Now starting to get some problems with normal supply although not so bad. Seasonal thing you have to live with but frustrating.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    If Farm House is still ok then I must be doing something wrong... Just ordered a 4 hole steam tip from cofffeeparts so hopefully that will make a difference.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Try A2. Its working well at the moment when the local Coles supply has turned jolly awful for a seasonal spin. Textures completely differently.

    Ive got Coles brand for brekky, and A2 purely for coffee.

    Also the Norco Capo (only available from cafes) works equally well as A2 - I buy that for my work coffees from our local cafe, and despite their usual horribly expensive cafe mark-ups, the Norco Capo is lower priced than the A2 from Bilo/Coles.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Well, I just got the same problem in Perth. My favourite milk is an Organics brand full cream and today it just wouldnt texture properly. The other "standard" milk worked fine however. I did notice that the age of the organic one has 4 days left for its use by date. Can this effect it ?

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Milk is not a 100% fixed and stable product... Even UHT etc changes over time and once opened and subject to external influences undergoes all sorts of changes.

    The same for any Milk... From the time it leaves the Cow it is under any number of influences and undergoes change by the minute... The issue is that some changes will effect different properties and at different rates...

    Thus you can not say that for organic Milk that has 4 days left for its use by date, is not good, unless the issue is consistent and repeatable... It might have been some other factor that caused it to change...

    It is all variable... It is never BLACK and WHITE.

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    Yep. Youre absolutely right cos Ive used the same type of milk with only a day left before the use by date and it textured fine. Its really the first time Ive had issues with it hence probably not repeatable or consistent. I guess the question should have been more like, does fresher milk in general texture better ? I guess the fresher it is the less time its had to be effected by different variables.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    As AM says above.... it takes very little to upset the qualities of milk when you want to texture it....

    I have found huge changes when it is left out of the fridge for a while (daughter making a milk shake and leaves it on the bench.... or SWMBO making a white sauce and leaves it out next to the hot stove whilst adding it slowly to the sauce).... I always take it out of the fridge, pour into the cold jug and then straight back to the fridge.

    Ive also found the same brand of milk (with the same "best by" date) from a supermarket and the local shop have different texturing qualities - from day one!

    Is the supermarket milk left out of the fridge for a while when received? Is the fridge in the supermarket not as cold (open display unit compared to closed fridge at the local shop)? Is it the fact that it takes far longer to go from the Supermarket fridge to my home fridge than it does when milk is purchased from the local shop?

    Whilst the milk is well within its "best by" date in all cases.... texturing qualities can vary quite a bit.... even quickly.... if the milk isnt treated with the utmost care!

    Add to that the seasonal variation (caused by changes to the cows feed)..... and getting perfectly textured milk consistently is a real challenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6F6279030 link=1234484329/21#21 date=1235183136
    Yep. Youre absolutely right cos Ive used the same type of milk with only a day left before the use by date and it textured fine. Its really the first time Ive had issues with it hence probably not repeatable or consistent. I guess the question should have been more like, does fresher milk in general texture better ? I guess the fresher it is the less time its had to be effected by different variables.
    Yep... An some times it may not be you, but transport / the shop or what ever... Thus two containers of milk might perform differently even when being used at teh same time..

    It is not a major issue / an every day event... But if your aware, then you can manage the outcome and recognize the symptoms and realize that it may not be you or the machine... Then again some times it is ;)

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    We use Pura at work, all dated March are terrible.
    If anyone in the bizz could give me a suppliers number to get some A2 or anything that wont be as bad, it would be much appreciated.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    we use HomeBrand from the local Woolworths and since last week i cannot make microfoam ... it just goes from cold milk to warm/hot milk with a few big bubbles on the top.
    thought it was just me, until i found out a few friends of mine have the same problem with Pura milk.

    from memory we had such an episode last year too, lasted about 5-6 weeks before the milk returned to normal/foamable.

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    >:( Just opened a new bottle this morning for a second brew looked more like a milkshake than nice textured milk of the one before *>:( Steamed another lot of milk to see if it was me as normally my Solis is great with the same consistant good results *:P

    Have a read of this http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/art...905_dairy.html seems there may be a reduction in protien caused by the heat, time for ice vest for the cows I think *::)

    UPDATE: Went to the Supermarket and got a bottle with the latest expiry date (same brand Sungold) on it and all is now well again. 3 happy lots of MF 8-) Tried yet another with the other bottle and still milkshake country :(

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Using only Farm House milk at the moment and furiously experimenting with different tips and plugging the tips with toothpick in all different configs all seem to yield the same thing... the amount of stretch I get varies and I get still get something resembling a rosetta but it is accompanied by bubbles which when left for some time will start to make its way to the surface. Havent seen a silky microfoam for a while but Im not quite ready to blame the milk yet because there is some nagging feeling that it could be my technique...

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Perth milk suffering too - usually reliable Harvey Fresh just gets soapy bubbles - same with a supermarket brand, might have to try the local South West premium brand to see if any difference?! :(

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    Good to know Im not the only one suffering/thinking theyre incompetent. The wifes A2 light milk is texturing like a charm though.

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    I get Pauls Full Cream milk delivered directly to my office and yesterday I managed to get a very nice silky microfoam steaming milk with the super auto pod machine (with a separate steaming wand). Same 300ml jug so why I cant I do this at home when I can do it at work?

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    Quote Originally Posted by 775C4E6D567C4A494B5C4A4A56390 link=1234484329/30#30 date=1235425967
    I get Pauls Full Cream milk delivered directly to my office and yesterday ...
    I used to like this one, but then I experienced this problem of inconsistent microfoam with it and stopped buying it...
    I wonder what do they use in respectable coffee places commercially..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3338312224223523500 link=1234484329/31#31 date=1235692527
    I wonder what do they use in respectable coffee places commercially..
    I use Riverina Fresh and I saw that tobeys estate use it as well (they also recommend it through their barista training). I am a bit biased there though cause it is made locally. But I have had no change in the milk in the last 12 months.

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    Most cafes would get the cafe milk. Its not available in the stores. They claim is stretches year round.

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    I was having a chat to a dairy farming mate of mine and he said there had been a drop off in protien due to the heat in his farms milk and it also has a bit to do with calving times as well. A little additional reading here http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agricultur...h/milk-protein

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    March and I find September too, are the two worse months for milk.

    I have also noticed in the last 2-3 years with the way the drought has affected the feed, it seems to be getting worse.

    I use Aldis full cream and Light milk (both are Pura, in Aldi packaging) and upto the start of this week, the milk has slowly gone down hill. :(

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    Re: Did anyone experience this: sudden milk texture change?

    I came to the CS board for this very reason. To find out why my frothing suddenly went to poo. Coles milk here.

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    Milk recovery? My last couple of cartons on the improve - any one else noticed the reversal?

    CTGTC

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    :) Improving again over last week, fresh bottle this morning was glossy and smooth on top after steaming 8-)

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    Cooloola homogenised pasteurised Jersey milk works for me all year round.milk comes from dagun qld 4570. cheers poddy66



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