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    Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Im new to the coffee making scene and experimented for about a week to work towards making the perfect expresso.

    Now i am using LaZumba Latino beans, grinding on setting 11 (EM0480) and beleive i have the tamper routine set (my shots seem to tast quite good) but its the frothing part that is failing time and time again.

    I have tried full skim, semi-skin and full cream milk to no avail. I start of with the jug in the fridge, pour in milk so its just under the bottom of the spout (for 2 x 190ml flat whites/cuppucinos), apply full steam whilst keeping the tip just under the surface of the milk. After about 40deg i tilt the jug to cause the whirlpool and then keep it here until 65deg is reached. After 65deg is reached i keep swirling the milk a little and bump the jug to get rid of any large bubbles (not many).

    Problem is the milk always comes out too runny and its impossible to do any artistry on the surface, its just a tad thicker then normal milk.

    Any help much welcome.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    When you are keeping the tip just under the surface you want to make sure you stretching the milk (which I suspect you are not). To do this position the tip so you hear a chk-chk sound (quite like tearing paper) and expand the milk by 10-15% then focus on a whirlpool. Look here for a good example.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    After you have turned the steam on, just lower the jug slightly until the steam tip breaks the surface. Youll hear the chk-chk sound as MM said. With your hand under the milk jug you can feel the milk heating. Once the jug no longer feels cool, you should raise the jug until the tip is just below the surface. Get that whirlpool effect going and you will soon have perfect milk. Good luck!

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    The Chk Chk sound is what you are after. I also have a EM6910 and find that The milk needs to be stretched until about 40-45 degrees, then plunge the steam arm just under the surface and swirl until you reach 60-65 degrees. It does take practice......and more practice. It did take me frikkin ages. :)

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C4A494B5C4A4A5655564F5C4B390 link=1253366880/3#3 date=1253583936
    ...Chk Chk...
    :-X

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    You know what I mean........PFFFFFT PFFFFT or shshshshshshs or fft fft fft fft. The noise the stretching process makes.

    N :)

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E383B392E38382427243D2E394B0 link=1253366880/3#3 date=1253583936
    The Chk Chk sound is what you are after
    Quote Originally Posted by 2E383B392E38382427243D2E394B0 link=1253366880/5#5 date=1253615342
    You know what I mean........PFFFFFT PFFFFT or shshshshshshs or fft fft fft fft. The noise the stretching process makes.
    How does that go again ;D ;D ;D :-*

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    I reckons its:-

    shcrrrwl shhhhh shcrrrwl shhhhh shcr schr schrrrwl

    personally!

    :D

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    yyyeah I like that one better :)

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Mine makes a squealing noise, just like the pro barista at Donut King. Doesnt yours? ;)

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D2F232B2B25223F4C0 link=1253366880/9#9 date=1253670872
    Mine makes a squealing noise, just like the pro barista at Donut King. Doesnt yours? *;)
    My system wants to post in "Barista Venting" but I will not give it access... I just turn up the music... Just like I do in the car when it trys to tell me something.. :o

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Thanks for the tips guys. I tried it again following instructions and it stretched near the top of the jug. Made a fantastic cappuccino too!

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F5A4D4F4C280 link=1253366880/11#11 date=1253700761
    cuppaccino
    :-? cappuccino??

    I always used to look for it on menus. Always said that if they couldnt spell it, they shouldnt sell it ::)


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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 346B73656E6569606063636B6768060 link=1253366880/12#12 date=1253700954
    Gregd wrote on Today at 8:12pm:
    cuppaccino

    cappuccino??

    I always used to look for it on menus. Always said that if they couldnt spell it, they shouldnt sell it

    but 2MCM, by insisting on cappuccino you rob us of the wonderfully Strine plural construction, "two cups of cino, ploise".

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Ah, doesnt matter how you spell it, its what it tastes like that counts. Speaking of which i made a couple more "cappuccinos" and they tasted and looked even better then before! I would hazard a guess that it tasted better then buying one from the countless shops i visited over the years.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C594E4C4F2B0 link=1253366880/14#14 date=1253710123
    would hazard a guess that it tasted better then buying one from the countless shops i visited over the years.
    Excellent work mate, and only one down-side. Youll rarely be able to enjoy a coffee out any more. ;D

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    I should ask, which milk are you guys using? Skim, Soy, Full or Crema milk?

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Full cream A2.
    And yes, good milk does make a difference. There are a number of threads on this forum that tell of peoples travels in milk.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    I will buy some A2 tommorow. That said i experimented some more and can now froth up the milk but it seems to not be thick enough below the froth (if that makes sense). There is a fair amount of froth (great for cappuccinos) but when i pour it (as does the Sunbeam DVD) it still comes out like normal milk and not thick enough to do some art. I can only play around with the froth at the end of the milk pour which sits on top of the coffee.

    Frustrating at best!

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Hi Greg, its been a while since Ive used an SB, but think you should go back to Martial Monkeys advice.

    Once you achieve that 10-15% increase in volume, submerge the wand deeper into the jug - either a whirlpool or milk rolling over itself (I prefer this), without creating more volume should result in integrating that froth you have on the top with the remainder of the milk. Going over 60 degrees temp doesnt help either.

    All the best!


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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Unlike Dennis, I have access to a SB at work so use one almost every day.

    Dennis remembers correctly.

    I have no trouble doing art using the SB.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 1428352E242532272F24400 link=1253366880/20#20 date=1253886138
    Unlike Dennis, I have access to a SB at work so use one almost every day.

    Dennis remembers correctly.

    I have no trouble doing art using the SB.
    Whats the secret?

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    One thing I have only recently discovered is just how sensitive to the right volume of milk the 6910 is.

    I had been using a 600ml jug at home with the 6910 and a 500ml one at the shop with the Ikon.

    I brought the 500ml home and have been using it recently for the morning lattes. Fills just under the spout for our acf108 300ml cups.

    I had been having terrible trouble with the Mrss skim milk, big milkshake froth on the top, very stiff foam, big bubbles etc and was rarely getting the consistency right. When I changed jugs to the slightly smaller size, it all seems to have fallen into place. "touch wood" consistent microfoam, no milkshake effect etc, very pleased with the results.

    My art isnt that spectacular, having probably done less coffees in the last 12 months than some Baristas do in a day, but at least the quality of the drink is better

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Thats why I took my own jug to work rather than use the Sunbeam one thats there.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    I found using skim milk doesnt seem to work as well as full cream so i am sticking to that. They were using full cream at the Sunbeam course today and the texturing was easy as pie.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    this thread just made an enormous difference to my own milk results.

    the whirlpool seems to be the key!

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 594C5B595A3E0 link=1253366880/24#24 date=1254574913
    I found using skim milk doesnt seem to work as well as full cream so i am sticking to that. They were using full cream at the Sunbeam course today and the texturing was easy as pie.
    Im a complete noob to this coffee/cafe set and Im finding no problems with skim milk.

    Mind you, Im yet to be critiqued by a true "expert".

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Hey guys

    Ive practised on almost 4L of milk and still havent yet perfected my milk. As with a lot of 6910 users, I cannot get the smooth silky texture like I do at work where I use a Cimballi.

    I stretch (aerate) the milk for about 10-13 seconds before I tip the tip of the milk wand lower to massage the milk however even after getting the whirpool effect, the milk comes out bubbly and froth on top didnt seem to have incorporated into the milk. The froth still seemed detached from the milk thus causing it to be very runny and thin.

    Any tips? :(

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Cyv,

    Does the steam wand scream the entire time, as though you had it submerged too deep? If so, you might have a weak steam pump. My first machine did, spent two weeks figuring out where I was going wrong before returning it. New machine, no problems.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    By scream, you mean?
    I know it makes all the usual sounds like srchh scrchhh-dont know how to type the sound out!

    By the way the machine is brand new.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    To demonstrate what I mean, fill the milk jug with water and steam it like it was milk. It should make a high pitch screaming sound the entire time. If you get that with the milk, and the steam tip isnt too deep in the milk, then you have a problem.

    My machine, when steaming milk will only scream if I submerge the tip deeply in to the milk. Other times it makes a ccchhh cchhh sound and a deep rumbling once the milk is nearing temp.

    Another thing, when you move the steam wand to the side and slightly tilt the jug, the milk should begin spinning. If you find it difficult to get the milk moving, it probably indicates lack of steam pressure.

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    Another thing, when you move the steam wand to the side and slightly tilt the jug, the milk should begin spinning. If you find it difficult to get the milk moving, it probably indicates lack of steam pressure.

    I think...that might be the problem. I find it hard to get the milk swirling. If that makes sense? I just used half of the 3L milk I bought today on practising. Been getting stares from all over the room! Why is it that I can get perfectly silky milk on the Cimbali at work and not likewise with this 6910?

    Argh!

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Maybe try a smaller jug. I have found I get a much greater whirlpool at home using a 300ml jug isntead of 600ml...apart from less waste it has the effect of double power (seeks like it with the lesser volume of milk). In my few experiences with large commercial machines I have found that you barely need to stretch in the same way as on a domestic machine which I think is due to the very powerful whirpool which sucks in more air...at least thats how my trainer explained it to me. So by using a smaller jug I think you can create the same effect as more power.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Im guessing you are using the standard Sunbeam jug.
    Its too big.
    By a 300ml one.

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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Hmm.. Im having similar issues. Im used to a Breville Cafe Roma, and with that machine Id skim near the surface to stretch, and plunge the wand as deep as possible to get a nice whirlpool.

    With the 6910 I plunge the wand and it gets very loud, and whirls a bit, but basically leaves a mass of milkshake at the top.

    If Im reading correctly, I might be submerging the wand too far? Is it fine just below the surface to heat? Or will this stretch more??


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    Re: Milk Frothing Problem - EM6910

    Quote Originally Posted by 2320223F3E3B3529500 link=1253366880/34#34 date=1267449353
    I might be submerging the wand too far?
    Yes you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2320223F3E3B3529500 link=1253366880/34#34 date=1267449353
    Is it fine just below the surface to heat?
    Not in my opinion.
    If you misjudge you will break the surface and stretch too much.
    Just a little deeper.
    Practise. Practise. Practise.




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