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    Soy in coffee?

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    Have been wondering about the practice of using soy in preference to milk in coffee, the reasons behind it, and is it a growing trend?

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    :P

    i dont understand how they milk soys?
    its just sick to think the pain those soys go through, STOP IT !!

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Never had soy milk

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 515D545959503C0 link=1257370270/1#1 date=1257370886
    :P

    i dont understand how they milk soys?
    its just sick to think the pain those soys go through, STOP IT !!
    May be a case for the RSPCA, or some thing. :-/

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1C3831313232081C38243A38570 link=1257370270/2#2 date=1257371073
    Never had soy milk

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    Neither have I, wondered if I am missing something? :)

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    So what do I pick?

    Sometimes?
    For health reasons?

    Last time I had cow juice was 15 years ago. I had a Big M and two hours later my stomach was HUGE and I couldnt stop farting. One fart when for 28 seconds.... I have a witness, the stupid things you find funny when you are younger.
    So I dont animal milk any more. So does reason mean choice?
    If I didnt have a reaction to milk Id probably still drink it even though soy may be healthier.

    So the easy solution is to drink coffee black. At a guess I would say that I would use soy in coffee one in fifteen times. Used to be one in two. As my coffee skills have gotten better and my tastes have changed I drink more black.

    Also soy can and does wreck the coffee. As said by Gavin1 "Do you guys find soy milk in coffee taste like dried sh!take mushrooms?".
    Some soy milk brands are horrible. Some are nice. But even the best brands change the taste of coffee, rarely compliment (to my tastes).

    One thing that annoys me is people drinking soy to be "trendy". Even to be healthier seems a little wrong to me. Unless you are drinking 4 or more lattes a day who cares?
    Coffee should be a luxury, not a need. It should be as good as possible. Enjoy it! Life is too short for crap coffee.

    I think Ill tick "Sometimes" ::)

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6063717175637B020 link=1257370270/5#5 date=1257377628
    One fart when for 28 seconds
    You actually timed it. giggled like a schoolgirl :D

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    I think fat is where the flavour is. Nothing like a bit of udder. Good question regarding how they milk soy though. Disturbing.

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    I dont know if I was doing it wrong or something but, I couldnt get CP and soy to mix properly to make an Iced coffee, has anyone else had the same problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2673607B150 link=1257370270/8#8 date=1261563409
    I dont know if I was doing it wrong or something but, I couldnt get CP and soy to mix properly to make an Iced coffee, has anyone else had the same problem?
    Just sat back down at the "work" computer to drink a CP iced coffee made with soy. No issue. Im using the vitasoy so milky. Havent had an issue with any other of the vitasoy with mixing. No issue with Bonsoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by 767A737370707D607B617067150 link=1257370270/7#7 date=1260418168
    Good question regarding how they milk soy though. Disturbing.
    Mmmm, why do they call it milk? I guess using "sauce" would sound a bit wrong!

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    Soy here. I cant digest dairy protein so Ive got no choice if I want a latte. I used to enjoy the odd soy latte even before I had to as I didnt mind the nuttiness it added. It really depends on the brands though, as theres lots of very average ones, a couple of good ones, and a few that are unpalatable. Personally I use So Good Regular, and only the "fresh" ones in the fridge, as this is the only one I can use on cereal without wanting to heave, and it doesnt have much of a flavour and is the most "milk-like" so it tends to stay out of the way of the coffee. Bonsoy is (or maybe now, was) my wifes favourite one for coffee as its more creamy, but I felt it detracted too much from the coffee.

    Oh, and soy milk is made by boiling soybeans in water and blending then filtering. Its easy enough to do yourself, although there are home soy milk makers out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7477656561776F160 link=1257370270/9#9 date=1261606049
    Just sat back down at the "work" computer to drink a CP iced coffee made with soy. No issue. Im using the vitasoy so milky. Havent had an issue with any other of the vitasoy with mixing. No issue with Bonsoy.
    I tried it earlier this year because my girlfriend was lactose intolerant, it only emulsified if I whisked it a lot, she can not stand the taste of soy so she just drink lactose free cows juice.

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    I have never tired soy coffee. Have tried the soy milk by itself and it tasted good. :) The flavour is quite strong. I think it would overpower the taste of coffee. However i will have to try it first i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59564D41595C594E380 link=1257370270/12#12 date=1261955312
    I think it would overpower the taste of coffee.
    I drink only non-dairy milk in my coffee, and I would find the taste of cow milk overpowering (and sour). So its a matter of what your default line is, more than anything else.
    Anything you add to coffee will change the flavour. I believe its a matter of personal taste whether you think it made the coffee better or worse (or simply different).

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Soy for me thanks.

    Anything from Vitasoy is the go. I use Calci-Plus for my morning brews in my Sunbeam beast and it froths a treat. IMO it needs to be a Whole Bean soy milk, not an isolate based milk.

    Cheers, Matty.

    PS - In case youre interested...
    15 years ago I had 3 weeks off dairy with the flu. Being a serious caffeine addict I needed to find a milk alternative as I couldnt stomach it black. Soy was at least palatable. After I got over the flu I went to my favourite cafe and ordered the biggest flat white on cow they could give me. I accused them of serving rancid milk...! As Kiki Bean mentioned, cow milk tastes sour when youve been off it for a while.

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F5E585A5D765A4F4F423B0 link=1257370270/14#14 date=1274359258
    I accused them of serving rancid milk...! As Kiki Bean mentioned, cow milk tastes sour when youve been off it for a while.
    Interesting observation, Im an on again off again milk drinker, can go a month without touching a drop but have never experienced this phenomena.
    Perhaps the explanation is that you are looking for some form of sweetener and soy provides it. :-/

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1F232A3227460 link=1257370270/15#15 date=1274396305
    Interesting observation, Im an on again off again milk drinker, can go a month without touching a drop but have never experienced this phenomena.
    Ditto surprise.

    Im a minimum of 1/2 litre of milk a day person.
    Been that way as long as I can remember; my mum used to give me a bottle of milk every day to drink and if I couldnt drink it in one go she told me I had to finish it by the end of the day.

    The only time Ive not drunk milk every day was a few years ago after my brain surgery.
    I couldnt stomach any food for almost a week and then slowly managed to get some food into me.

    I hadnt touched coffee since the day before surgery and because I hadnt felt like eating/drinking in that next week, I broke my habit of drinking coffee.

    I didnt touch coffee again for 3 months.

    When I eventually started again my flat whites tasted no different than before.

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    I am also pretty sensitive to dairy (a bit of yoghurt or cheese is ok, but if I drank a cup of milk you would NOT want to be around me for the rest of the day!) so Ive been drinking soy for about 8 years. Now I cant stand the taste or smell, or sometimes even the thought of cows milk. Although I do manage to work with it all day behind the coffee machine.. Im not a vegetarian (but I dont really enjoy meat that often) but just the image of milk coming out of an inflamed, pus-y udder turns me right off. Mustve been the project on dairy farming I did in high school!
    I love the nutty taste of soy on its own and in my coffee :)
    I agree, Vitasoy Soy Milky is the best soy milk to use when making a latte. So Good is nice to drink straight.

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    Oh and in regards to the OPs comment about the growing trend in people drinking soy coffee - Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant. Maybe increased awareness of dietary issues like that mean that more people are learning how to avoid food and drink that makes them sick. When I was a kid I thought it was normal to have to go to the loo right after drinking milk. Apparently not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36233837373A6163510 link=1257370270/18#18 date=1274878074
    Oh and in regards to the OPs comment about the growing trend in people drinking soy coffee - Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant. Maybe increased awareness of dietary issues like that mean that more people are learning how to avoid food and drink that makes them sick. When I was a kid I thought it was normal to have to go to the loo right after drinking milk. Apparently not! *
    Yep and 98% of then are not what many would call western.. And many are in their home environment where it is not an issue...

    Being healthy is one thing... But dont push on others or miss use stats.. * I feel for those with real allergies and in particular those that can kill in a short time. *I.e Severe peanut and a number of others.

    My daughter knows her regulars; as would most baristas and good kitchen staff..

    A: For one family it is a major issue... They sit away from every one and the kitchen staff have to use a *just cleaned toaster, all utensils involved have to be out of the dishwasher and not the drawer, and clean the table down with a special cleaning product... Family have offered and provided said product. *

    Do they get charged extra or sent away... NO

    They are treated with respect and when the Mum or day drop in they sit and have all the regular stuff.. *This a shame their daughter can not live the same way and be able to make a choice because of why she likes rather than the understanding that if she gets it wrong she could die.

    B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product to *confirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.

    The ones I dislike the most are those that in effect, prey on outcomes of *the real disadvantage such as in A above to make a big show and or get special treatment; when they are 100% healthy other than in their selfish mind set..

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Dont like the taste of soy milk at all
    Full cream milk all the way!!! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67726966666B3032000 link=1257370270/18#18 date=1274878074
    Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant.
    From memory, Wikipedia has a good article on lactose intolerance that shows the break-up through different populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1257370270/19#19 date=1274884470
    B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product toconfirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.
    Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner, whats more (food allergy is a diagnosis favoured by alternative practitioners) *http://www.dermcoll.asn.au/downloads/ASM2008_Adult_Food_Allergy.pdf :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09353C2431500 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
    Quote Originally Posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1257370270/19#19 date=1274884470
    B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product toconfirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.
    Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner. ::) *
    Now lets be fair... Dr Google is rarely wrong... (Context - the right data and info at hand)

    I feel for those that truly have an issue; but more often than not... Need to put a label and tick a box.. OH - I have an allergy - waves hands and is consoled by fellow Google self diagnosed sufferers.

    A scientist I know well has major issues with wheat ;) Her Mum and Sister have been fully tested and confirmed.. She has stated that even as a scientist; she doubts that she ticks all the boxes... Thus will not be tested / labelled and have people put out over perceptions. But she manages it and those that do not know, may never know. Those of us that are aware respect her approch and understand why on occasions she will bring her own or be one of teh first to step in with preparation etc.

    When I drop over... I always take Wheat based products and state... Well all teh more for me ;D

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E727B6376170 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
    Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner
    Are you saying Im wrong about my self diagnosed allergy to avocado? :(

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0A362B303A3B2C39313A5E0 link=1257370270/24#24 date=1274934043
    Quote Originally Posted by 4E727B6376170 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
    Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner
    Are you saying Im wrong about my self diagnosed allergy to avocado? *:(
    I dont think I said that. :)

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    My observations on soy milk:

    I am a Bonsoy fangirl all the way. From experience, at any new cafe, I always ask "do you use bonsoy" and its the only coffee I drink.

    Reasons?
    1. Its nutty, malty flavour goes well with most coffee blends - it interferes the least with the taste of the cofee
    2. It is most forgiving of acidity in coffee
    3. I find it the least sweet
    4. Its fat content is not much lower than full cream milk (I think its 2% compared to milks 3%)
    5. This might be a BS reason, but it holds up through trial and error: its trendy to use Bonsoy, so it often shows the cafe wants to appear serious about their coffee.

    In limiting my coffee experience to Bonsoy, I find that I like my coffees with:
    - with low-to-medium acidity
    - chocolatey, nutty or malty flavours as these pair well with Bonsoys natural flavours
    - less bitter/earthy notes. Milk coffees are extremely creamy and they round off a lot of the earthier flavours and you can need more punch for it not to be boring.

    In general, I steer clear of red Vitasoy like the plague. If the coffee extraction isnt perfect (underextracted, slightly sour flavours), I find red Vitasoy to be the least forgiving. Red vitasoy is also the most volatile, and has a tendency to curdle if paired with a "bright" acidity coffee or overheated even slightly. Ive thrown away too many red Vitasoy coffees after a single sip to give it any more chances.

    I have friends who are fans of Soy Milky and Vitasoy Barista. In the hands of a skilled barista, I will drink these coffees but again I find them less forgiving, showing up errors in extraction and steaming/frothing. I also find I detect an artificial sweetness (like the burnt plastic lid of takeaway tea) but I concede this is possibly a matter of personal taste.

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Heres a funny thing
    Ive gone to having soy in flat whites, as my goodly wife is lactose intolerant. Tried a few brands, most of which were foul, but then stumbled across Aldi Light Soy (UHT) which is actually really nice, not too overpowering or thick, but with a nice nutty flavour that complements coffee well. Took some getting used to, but did it for love ;D
    Anyway, had a brew last night when I was flying solo, so thought Id throw some full cream back in (even before Soy we were on light milk for years - but only had FC in the fridge) and found it almost unbearable! The mouthfeel and taste of the fat completely overpowered the coffee - might as well have dropped the shot into double cream!
    Wont do that again in a hurry…

    So - Aldi light soy it is!

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    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Hi All,

    For most of the last 2 years I had been having Soy milk in about 2/3 of my coffees. I was basically trying to reduce my milk consumption (largely b/c having lots of milk makes sinus/hayfever issues a bit worse). However, most of the soy milks served in cafes make me puke (even Bonsoy but that could be that local baristas burn the soy milk). The cafe near my office uses one of the Aldi home brand soy milks (Inner Goodness or something like that), and I quite like it. At home I use the So Good Regular (the one you buy on the shelf rather than the one they sell from the fridge). I guess peoples taste buds are different.

    Had been using a Saeco automatic until last month I bought a good HX machine (Diadema Regal + Compak Touch grinder) from Atilio at Cosmorex, so spent a few weeks concentrating on perfecting my milk frothing technique with real milk in different volumes, but have recently given been giving the soy a go (again So Good regular non-fridge version), and Im more than happy with the results . My soy-phobic other half accidently picked up my coffee rather than hers the other day and didnt notice the difference.
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