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    EM6910 Steam tip

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    Has anyone changed the tip of the steam wand on the em6910?.
    i was thinking of changing to a 2 hole one to see if it makes any difference to my texturing. any ideas ? :)

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Not that I know of and personally I dont see the need.

    What problems are you having with texturing?

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    i have a 6910, just started using a 1.5lt jug and found that the 6910 just doesnt have enough grunt to drive this size pitcher. The work machine (brasilia portfino) will blow the bottom out of a 1.5lt jug if I let it.

    Im thinking of trading down from my old 900ml jug to a 300ml single pour jug to see if it makes any difference

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 686069677070776B050 link=1267518601/2#2 date=1267526872
    i have a 6910, just started using a 1.5lt jug...
    I take it that its one of the new 3 group Sunbeam EM20730 machines? :-? ;)

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    The 6910 handles a 300ml jug just fine.

    However I think it struggles a bit with a 600ml one.

    No wonder a 1.5lt gives you grief.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    oddly enough the 6910 comes with a 600ml jug!

    Ive hear that you should also pull the plastic base out of the group head....any truth to this?

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    I think its actually 500ml.

    The plastic thing is in the group handle and its called a "graeme" around here.

    The name was actually suggested by the user called DIG.
    You can read the whole story in the original post here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1188978543/4#4

    I believe at least one Ikon owner calls theirs Neil.


    Yes...take it out.


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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    thanks TG, ill check out that post

    what difference does it make by pulling out the base?

    Also, are the anti-calc filters available anywhere but sunbeam?

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 282029273030372B450 link=1267518601/7#7 date=1267530703
    what difference does it make by pulling out the base?
    It gets rid of a place for things to grow underneath.

    Quote Originally Posted by 282029273030372B450 link=1267518601/7#7 date=1267530703
    Also, are the anti-calc filters available anywhere but sunbeam?
    Not that I know of.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    It gets rid of a place for things to grow underneath

    But does it affect the extraction at all? Why did sunbeam put it there in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 535B525C4B4B4C503E0 link=1267518601/9#9 date=1267531813

    It gets rid of a place for things to grow underneath
    But does it affect the extraction at all? *Why did sunbeam put it there in the first place?
    There are a number of posts on what became known as the *"graeme"

    TG, myself and many others have postured and commented in this post..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1222320381 [edit] (opps 23/23)[/edit]

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 292128263131362A440 link=1267518601/9#9 date=1267531813
    Why did sunbeam put it there in the first place?
    Read the whole of the thread AM linked to http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1222320381

    In a nutshell its for newb coffee makers that dont heat up the group handle properly.
    The plastic is supposed to lessen the temperature drop of the shot by preventing it from hitting a cold metal group handle.

    If you dont remove it... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1167134124/24#24



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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    well this has got off topic a bit, and to add i have removed the graeme from my handle. i now just warm up the group handle prior to pulling my shots.
    what i was thinking with the steam tip was to try and get a better swirl or tumble of the milk in the jug, i was using the sunbeam jug and bought a smaller one but still have an issue getting the right texture for art work.
    just thought i would try something different as when i watch the videos posted on this site the larger machines have no effort at all in milk texturing and a lot of them seam to have multiple holed steam tips.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 657974637475727061627872647C110 link=1267518601/0#0 date=1267518601
    Has anyone changed the tip of the steam wand on the em6910?.
    i was thinking of changing to a 2 hole one to see if it makes any difference to my texturing. any ideas ? :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 657974637475727061627872647C110 link=1267518601/12#12 date=1267564672
    i was using the sunbeam jug and bought a smaller one but still have an issue getting the right texture for art work.
    just thought i would try something different as when i watch the videos posted on this site the larger machines have no effort at all in milk texturing and a lot of them seam to have multiple holed steam tips.
    Yea we can get OT as further issues are raised etc

    A two hole tip will not cut it on the EM6910..

    Yes the bigger machines can have up to 6 holes... They are different machines and as such have a different system to develop and manage steam.

    I never had steam issues... Slower than the bigger machines = Yes

    At the end of teh day.. Steam arm and Tip placed at about 45% - 60% and just under the surface. This is a mix of teh steam arm at an angle and how you hold the jug..

    Too deep and no real texture...

    Too high and froth and bubbles...

    Standard SB jug that came with the unit and fill to about just below where teh spout starts to take off.. Thus approx 1/3 to 1/2 full.

    PS. Go and do teh SB training, if you have not already done so.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Thanks AM, you have confirmed what i was thinking anyway, just thought i would see if anyone has done it and succeeded ;D

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    My brother in law has a 6910, just wondering if the "greame" can be removed and replaced without damage? hes a stickler for the rules of warranty ::)

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 5945485F48494E4C5D5E444E58402D0 link=1267518601/14#14 date=1267572524
    Thanks AM, you have confirmed what i was thinking anyway, just thought i would see if anyone has done it and succeeded *;D
    ANY time ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7E584141445B4C432D0 link=1267518601/15#15 date=1267572958
    My brother in law has a 6910, just wondering if the "greame" can be removed and replaced without damage? hes a stickler for the rules of warranty ::)
    YES ;) ;D :D

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C636A687F406C636C6A68606863790D0 link=1267518601/13#13 date=1267571010
    I never had steam issues
    Same here.
    After a 6 month absence from the 6910 at work, I made almost perfect microfoam first go.

    You dont need a different steam tip...you need more practice.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D322A3C373C3039393A3A323E315F0 link=1267518601/3#3 date=1267527002
    EM20730
    what model machine is that? never heard of it...

    It will get a nice whirlpool up...just takes bloody ages to get there

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 316E76606B606C656566666E626D030 link=1267518601/3#3 date=1267527002
    Sunbeam EM20730 machines
    Quote Originally Posted by 6E666F617676716D030 link=1267518601/18#18 date=1267613256
    what model machine is that? never heard of it...
    He was taking the......urine (not for lack of a better word) ;)


    Imagine a High volume cafe running sunbeam 3 groupers! you could call the cafe "CLOSED FOR MAINTENANCE" :o

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    we got absoultely reamed for 5 hours on Sunday at the Bulldogs Family day and the Brasilia kept up...just.

    The Sunbeam would have gone out to lunch by the first 5 minutes

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    I have one of these Sunbeam machines too.....I am just trying to do the latte art after checking out some lessons on YouTube.

    Is the Sunbeam capable of making milk that can make these nice patterns?

    My milk just doesnt come out like "paint" the way it does on the videos I have seen, which are all done using commercial machines.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 405B5A4D0C04060C340 link=1267518601/21#21 date=1270171854
    Is the Sunbeam capable of making milk that can make these nice patterns?
    YES... But it takes does take some trial and error and the Jug type and milk also has an impact.

    Then there is how you swirl / Thump (dont) and or decant into another jug pre ya art.





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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    So a smaller jug is preferable ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 140F0E1958505258600 link=1267518601/23#23 date=1270172119
    So a smaller jug is preferable ?
    You need to try... It is not 2 + 2 = 4... Coffee and Milk is 2 + 2 = 5.

    There are sooooo Many variables it is not that easy.. But once you get it... You wonder why it took you so long.

    Like driving a manual...

    Do some research on CS. Lots of links and chat about Milk / Art and tricks you can try.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    not long ago i did the sunbeam school as part of the em6910 purchase ( and on recommendation from some css after posting this thread) and now i can get the right texture every time using the standard jug.
    it really is just technique. keep practicing, you will get it ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 343C353B2C2C2B37590 link=1267518601/7#7 date=1267530703
    Also, are the anti-calc filters available anywhere but sunbeam?
    Therss a place In Heidelberg that have all the spares you need....look up the sunbeam website for service locations cause im not sure if i can mention it here...

    cheers

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    I know this might sound rediculous but dont stick any pins in the steam hole......let it get slightly blocked and i can assure you, your milk will texture beautifully, like a pro......

    Try it, clean out the hole there for making the hole bigger, and there will be bubbles every where....

    Wipe the steam arm and tip after every use of course but dont stick anything in the hole......youll find as the hole gets slightly smaller the steam has more pressure and thus spins the milk better....

    sounds crazy i know.....try it ;) ;) ;)

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    I am another one who is just getting nowhere trying texture milk for latte art on one of these machines. I have spent HOURS watching videos on YouTube, reading CS posts, practicing with dishwashing liquid ( totoal waste of time unless you want to waste good coffee ) and trying all sorts of different milk.

    Other Sunbeam owners might now what I mean by this, but the milk doesnt come out like paint, it comes out just like plain old milk up until the last little bit which offers SOME texture to play with, but its really too thick and frothy to get too fancy.

    I did the Sunbeam course and they didnt go as far as latte art on the day I did it.

    I have tried the jug in the freezer....i have adjusted the settings of the steam ( wet and dry etc) I get pretty much the same results each time. I have swirled, knocked and decantered until the cows come home.

    I wonder whether these machines are capable of producing milk that you can really get arty with.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 455E5F4809010309310 link=1267518601/28#28 date=1272182782
    I am another one who is just getting nowhere trying texture milk for latte art on one of these machines. I have spent HOURS watching videos on YouTube, reading CS posts, practicing with dishwashing liquid ( totoal waste of time unless you want to waste good coffee ) and trying all sorts of different milk.

    Other Sunbeam owners might now what I mean by this, but the milk doesnt come out like paint, it comes out just like plain old milk up until the last little bit which offers SOME texture to play with, but its really too thick and frothy to get too fancy.

    I did the Sunbeam course and they didnt go as far as latte art on the day I did it.

    I have tried the jug in the freezer....i have adjusted the settings of the steam ( wet and dry etc) I get pretty much the same results each time. *I have swirled, knocked and decantered until the cows come home.

    I wonder whether these machines are capable of producing milk that you can really get arty with.
    Hi Tony,

    I think you made one omission...You forgot to get some hands on with a good trainer. Your machine will make good microfoam.

    I reckon you just need a hand...

    2mcm

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 372C2D3A7B73717B430 link=1267518601/28#28 date=1272182782
    but the milk doesnt come out like paint, it comes out just like plain old milk up
    Hey tony,

    How much milk are ya trying to steam? i find on my bro-in-laws 6910 that if i try too much milk it will turn out this way, thin underneath with thick on top..... just not enough steam strength to fold that milk over itself to texturize and blend it well, id say 300-400ml max for a 6910, more experienced users maybe able to guide you better, but the 6910 is definitely capable of great microfoam as 2mcm said.... just check out the latte art photos in this forum ;)

    Maybe a local Redferner could give you a hand in person?


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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    [QUOTE=0A0E283131342B3C335D0 link=1267518601/30#30 date=1272184122]
    Quote Originally Posted by 372C2D3A7B73717B430 link=1267518601/28#28 date=1272182782

    How much milk are ya trying to steam?
    Usually around half full, using the jug that came with the machine. .....so you think maybe I should try filling it up to a third full only?

    cheers

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    When you say half full, do you mean filled up to just under the spout half full, or half of that again?

    Typically milk pitchers dont work well unless filled to just under the spout. What I found helpful with my em6910 was to get a smaller jug that does enough for one cup of coffee at a time.

    The trick to getting nice microfoam with any machine is to get that whirlpool really spinning by putting the wand to the side of the jug, at a slight angle. A smaller jug will help.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 22202C24242A2D30430 link=1267518601/32#32 date=1272190500
    When you say half full, do you mean filled up to just under the spout half full, or half of that again?
    I mean literally half full of milk, so the milk level would be half way up if you looked inside the jug.
    I find that there is usually just a little bit left over and that the last little bit that comes out of the jug is usually frothy stuff that I try to avoid anyway.

    I like the idea of the smaller jug though....will try and pick one up tomorrow if anywhere is open.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    A 300ml jug is the go.
    The one that comes with the 6910 is too big.

    Even if you put the same amount of milk in it as you would in a smaller jug the depth to width ratio is all wrong and youll find it no easier to get microfoam.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    If you want to try out different sized jugs, experiment with a cup or heat-proof glass. I can get good microfoam out of a Breville Ikon, steaming in a tall narrow mug with less than 100 ml. of milk.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    I think you guys might be misunderstanding me.....yes I can get microfoam, but nowhere near the quality that you need to make latte art.

    Mine is better than simple hot milk, it does have a foamy quality to it, but it doesnt come out like "paint".

    This morning I went through a bag of beans and 2 litres of full cream milk trying every possible combination of settings, milk levels, steam tips angles etc.....but i get pretty much the same result each time.

    I am starting to think that I will go back to buying my coffee at the local cafe as this is too frustrating ! Watch out for Sunbeam / Rocky combo in the for sale thread :)

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Get some hands on training Tony,

    I can assure you that more likely than not, its you, not the milk or the machine ;)

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B7F594040455A4D422C0 link=1267518601/30#30 date=1272184122
    just not enough steam strength to fold that milk over itself to texturize and blend it well,
    Quote Originally Posted by 7844594248495E4B43482C0 link=1267518601/34#34 date=1272240444
    A 300ml jug is the go.
    The one that comes with the 6910 is too big.
    Quote Originally Posted by 6B5E494B7B435E414D40482C0 link=1267518601/35#35 date=1272245086
    steaming in a tall narrow mug with less than 100 ml. of milk.
    Have you tried a smaller jug?

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    [QUOTE=6064425B5B5E415659370 link=1267518601/38#38 date=1272251212]
    Quote Originally Posted by 7B7F594040455A4D422C0 link=1267518601/30#30 date=1272184122
    just not enough steam strength to fold that milk over itself to texturize and blend it well,
    Quote Originally Posted by 7844594248495E4B43482C0 link=1267518601/34#34 date=1272240444

    Have you tried a smaller jug?
    Not yet....thats next !! Maybe in the meantime I will try a small glass or cup as suggested above.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    My original em6910 did have weak steam which I sent back to the shop. Second unit worked fine. There is a possibility that your machine is a dud. Does the milk scream the entire time you are steaming, regardless of the depth of the steam tip? If so, then Id say its too weak to do the job. Otherwise, its probably an ok machine.

    If it is fine, then its a combination of your skill level combined with a jug thats too big. Dont forget, latte art also takes a long time to master. Just because wiggling the jug when pouring the milk doesnt result in a triple rosetta topped with a heart doesnt mean your milk isnt up to scratch.





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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 35373B33333D3A27540 link=1267518601/40#40 date=1272266891
    My original em6910 did have weak steam which I sent back to the shop. Second unit worked fine. There is a possibility that your machine is a dud. Does the milk scream the entire time you are steaming, regardless of the depth of the steam tip? If so, then Id say its too weak to do the job. Otherwise, its probably an ok machine.
    I think the steam arm is fine. It heats up the milk pretty quickly and gets a good swirl going. No, it doesnt squeal as you described.

    What I see on you YouTube doesnt seem to be overly dependent on technique. In fact there is one video ( the one where the guy uses dishwashing liquid rather than milk ) where he teaches someone who is pouring milk for the first time. The result they got was much better than anything I have seen from my machine and she were pouring her first ever latte !
    I dont want to be the tradesman who blames his tools, but I dont believe this machine is capable of steaming quality textured milk. Please show me a video of someone doing anything fancy using an em6910 if one exists, Id love to see it.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    I dont have the facilities to film and upload, but heres a picture of some latte art Ive done with my em6910. It is possible.




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    Wow, that looks great....id be happy if i could do that.

    Its encouraging too....can you tell me what settings you have programmed?

    I tried to find a smaller jug today, but they are not that easy to find. Most shops sell the standard size ones....the one I use is smaller than the one that comes with the unit but not as small as the ones I see the baristas using....I guess I need to go to a specialty coffee supplier.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    If I could offer some advice, it would be this:
    -Get a smaller jug
    -regardless of the size of jug or how much milk you need, until youre comfortable with changing variables, always fill the milk jug to just under the spout. This will provide you with the ideal amount of liquid for that particular jug.
    -A single hole steam tip such as yours requires the wand be at an angle to get a good whirlpool. You also need to introduce air for longer when using a one hole steam tip, so make sure the scratching sound keeps up for 4-5 seconds.
    -Make sure you introduce air in the first 10 seconds. Milk that is above 30 degrees cant be effectively stretched as the proteins in the milk become de-natured. Kind of like a perished rubber band.
    -Use good quality full cream milk
    -Latte art can be easier when the milk is on the cooler side of 60-65 degrees, so stop once the jug is too hot to comfortably keep holding
    -experiement. The only way to learn how to pour latte art is to experiement. Learn what happens when you over stretch the milk and have too much foam, learn what happens when you under stretch and dont have enough foam.
    -dont hold latte art in the highest regard. Learn how to make a sensational tasting cup of coffee first.

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    My coffee is tasting great....this really is just the finishing touch really, but I still dont feel like I can make decent coffee until I can do this.

    Thanks for all those pointers, I will try them all for sure. Many thanks !

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    tony8028 I see youre at Redfern.
    Its been a few months since I used a 6910 but Id be happy to pop in and compare your machine to the one Im used to.

    I did this one on the 6910 I use.
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    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/attachments/TG_20090831.jpg[/img]

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Thundergod thats an extremely kind offer, but let me experiment a bit more and see how I go. I have just bought a smaller jug which I can already see has improved things a little, although it will take some getting used as far as handling the thing goes.

    Do you us a thermometer ? What temps do you use a guide to stretch etc ?


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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 203B3A2D6C64666C540 link=1267518601/47#47 date=1272332008
    Do you us a thermometer ? What temps do you use a guide to stretch etc ?
    Either - if using a thermometer strestch to 40 deg c then heat (thermo has to be calibrated th)

    If doing by feel, stretch for about 8-9 sconds, then heat

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    Re: EM6910 Steam tip

    Bought a smaller jug - didnt make any difference !

    Another issue I have is that the crema breaks up as I do the pour, so it just ends up an ugly mess!

    I clearly dont have the barista in me so I will be listing my gear in the for sale thread soon.....i just need to clean it all up a bit.

    Given I live 100 metres from a cafe that makes half reasonable coffee, I am going to leave it to the experts !



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