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    Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

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    I have seen a number of threads relating to customised steam wands that have been built (or attempted to be built) to replace the short steam wand on the Quaha machines.
    This is probably a silly question but can the Silvia steam wand be used with an attachment such as the Gaggia has? And if so is there one available?

    Also, can somebody please tell me the thread type required for the steam tip (I havent been able to get mine off yet to check). I am thinking of replacing the single hole tip with a two hole tip.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    As far as I have found the only way to mod it is to fabricate something yourself. I have been looking in to this myself quite a bit and a couple of people have created things, including Greg Pullman. The only reason they havent gone into production is because there isnt enough demand from them so it wouldnt be worth anyones time to do unless the price was really high. Id be happy paying 50 bucks but for some thats too dear. Someone may be willing to produce them if there was keen interest from people here on CS.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    There are two main hurdles here:

    1) Theres very little demand for these parts. So mass production at small quantities is very expensive, and the time it takes to make one from scratch is quite long. Neither scenario really do justice to the price Ive been charging but Im loathed to charge people $150 for what looks like it should be a relatively cheap part. If there were a hundred people who wanted them itd probably be affordable for everyone, but interest thus far has tended to be one enquiry every few months. As a result Im not inclined to spend hours making them myself or chasing the best deal for people when the return on that time is likely to be very poor.
    2) 07 Silvia steam tips are not available as individual items in Australia so currently the cost has to include the manufacture of those. However I could redesign the part to accept an 09 tip which are available

    Im currently getting another quote done up in the hope Ill be able to offer something to those in need, but like most people Im pretty busy so labours of love like this tend to be a low priority.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 5144535146435A5A5B5758360 link=1275289271/2#2 date=1279676270
    Im currently getting another quote done up in the hope Ill be able to offer something to those in need, but like most people Im pretty busy so labours of love like this tend to be a low priority
    Itd be awesome if it became doable but not if its setting anyone - or yourself back in other priorities.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    1st-Line Equipment have posted on their facebook with photos showing that the 3 hole tip from the Elektra Microcasa fits the Lelit.

    " 1st-line Equipment Part Number - 01400021, replaces the single hole acorn nut with a 3-hole chromed tip from the Elektra Microcasa.
    http://bit.ly/d0CCFf "

    Check out their facebook page if it interests you.. ;)

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Great tip (excuse the pun) lukewarm but where do you get the electra tips in Aus? I noticed that 1st line dont ship to Aus. A pity as they have a great range of lelit bits that I cant find a source for here.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C7D6E61647C7B6A7D0F0 link=1275289271/5#5 date=1279755973
    Great tip (excuse the pun) lukewarm but where do you get the electra tips in Aus? I noticed that 1st line dont ship to Aus. A pity as they have a great range of lelit bits that I cant find a source for here.
    Honestly I havent started looking but maybe if you chat to Dennis at cuppacoffee or Chris at Talk Coffee they may be able to help you source parts. As for the elktra tip - again I havent looked but will later tonight after work. PS. My lelit has the round tip with froth aid which I havent been able to unscrew - I think its soldered together and cant be removed. Apparently there are models out there that have the acorn hexagonal tip which can be unscrewed. :)

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4658564452415E040202330 link=1275289271/6#6 date=1279779044
    I think its soldered together and cant be removed. Apparently there are models out there that have the acorn hexagonal tip which can be unscrewed.
    I must have the acorn type because I just unscrewed it (or broke it). It has quite a large hole too. I have been playing with more milk in the jug and having more success. Convinced that the short wand is one of the contributing problems here.




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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Thats a big hole I guess... but as long as it does the trick.
    And yeah thats the acorn style tip which is unscrewable.. Mine however is not.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    A bit of progress here... the new style Silvia tips are readily available and a lot cheaper than manufacturing the old style ones myself in the quantities were talking. So its only the extension piece I need to get made, and the design of the new tips also makes the design of the extension piece slightly simpler.

    It remains to be seen whether the price of the finished product is justifiable but were certainly closer than we were six weeks ago.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 7065727067627B7B7A7679170 link=1275289271/9#9 date=1280455488
    . So its only the extension piece I need to get made, and the design of the new tips also makes the design of the extension piece slightly simpler.
    Is the new wand the one with the froth enhancer and the rounded tip or is the new one the acorn nut screw-on tip with no froth enhancer?? I bought mine a month ago and it is rounded and has the enhancer.

    PS. Nice work Greg :) look forward to hearing from you.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    The one I have looks like this. Its not an acorn but I wouldnt consider this to be a froth enhancer either (unless theres another hole hiding somewhere!). This is the only one I can easily find in Australia. The original wand I made used an old Silvia acorn tip. Having said that Ive not used a Silvia with this tip so Id welcome any feedback on how this tip performs.

    Ive got some more figures back now. I could sell the wand and tip at $60 plus postage if I got 20 made, or $50 plus postage if I got 30 made. Neither quantity is particularly compelling given thereve probably only been half a dozen people interested in this so far and Id have to be carrying this project for a while before it paid for itself, but getting any less than 20 made would price it out of the market I think. Of course if I put a price on the hours Ive spent trying to find tips, make drawings, get quotes and so on theyd be $200 each regardless *::) Just have to hope that warm fuzzy feeling of supporting the CS community keeps me going ;D

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Id be happy paying $60. Are you making your own wand or an extension and what style would it be?

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Itll be the same design as what I did earlier, just an extension piece to join on where the factory froth enhancer goes, the only difference is the threading and diameter of the wand to match the Silvia tip. I cant find the original post at the moment but its basically a 40mm tube of stainless steel with the relevant threads at each end and the necessary chamfers / bevels to make all the parts join together properly.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Down the bottom of here might be what you mean??

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1151416945/new

    Heres another link which shows another CSrs new wand..
    http://tominoz.50webs.com/Pages/coffewand.htm

    PS. Will the whole steam arm be replaced or just from a section onwards? *I have this style of wand - however the tip ( as ive said is round and not removable unlike the acorn style one in this pic)

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Thats the one Luke! ;D Ill put it here just so we can find it later! So yeah, same design as this but made to fit the newer style tip.


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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Hi, i just bought a lelit PL41em yesterday, and I would also be really interested in bying an extesion or replacement tip. i can see myself getting a bit annoyed with the short one very quickly!hopefully more people will be interested to make it more worthwhile for you greg!

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    OK, here is another thought. Ive just pulled the case off my Quaha to see what was inside (I cant help myself). I noticed that the T piece used to take the steam from the boiler seems to use a fairly standard thread. It has a large split nut that the Lelit wand then fits to. What would stop you from putting a short, straight extension from the T piece to the hole that exists from the machine? Then attach a standar ball jointed wand from another machine eg. new Silvia wand? Could someone with more knowledge correct me but this seems like simple plumbing to me? I can post a pic and drawing if you need more info.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 2B3A2926233B3C2D3A480 link=1275289271/17#17 date=1281395141
    Could someone with more knowledge correct me but this seems like simple plumbing to me? I can post a pic and drawing if you need more info.
    I think you should put those pics up anyway so those of us not so technical can visualise what youre explaining. :)

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    That mod looks great Greg. Where do I sign up ;D

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Here is a shot of the boiler and T Valve



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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    This is a shot of the T valve and showing the split nut that joins the wand to the valve. Im not sure what the distance is between this nut and the hole in the case.


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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    This a closer view of the split nut from the boiler side


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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Does anyone have any thoughts on my steam wand mod idea? Im particularly interested to hear from those with the newer machines to see if theyre similar internally to the older ones like mine.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    As long as the ball in the silvia wand is exactly the same size and uses the same sealing mechanism etc, it should be ok I would have thought.

    I did this to my tip:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1274440245/0#0

    Not as elegant as the solution above (and it shortens the wand a little also) but works ok for me.

    Would the $60 be for the extension tube including the silvia steam tip?

    Cheers

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    I might be interested in this but my tip looks like this one posted earlier.



    Does this screw off at the collar on the wand where the plastic steam wand goes up to?

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 223F3427500 link=1275289271/25#25 date=1282043825
    Does this screw off at the collar on the wand where the plastic steam wand goes up to?
    That wand has a tip that can be unscrewed and replaced with an Elektra 3 Hole tip.. or It can be completely removed from up inside the machine.
    There is no inbetween

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 534A545A485E4D52080E0E3F0 link=1275289271/26#26 date=1282045068
    Quote Originally Posted by 223F3427500 link=1275289271/25#25 date=1282043825
    Does this screw off at the collar on the wand where the plastic steam wand goes up to?
    That wand has a tip that can be unscrewed and replaced with an Elektra 3 Hole tip.. * or *It can be completely removed from up inside the machine.
    There is no inbetween
    Thanks, looks like I am not in then. I tried a spanner on the tip and it is very tight and did not come off so I decided to leave it alone for now. Too new to break yet :)

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Dont worry. Mine doesnt even have that removable tip let a lone removable arm..

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 68716F6173657669333535040 link=1275289271/28#28 date=1282082807
    let a lone removable arm..
    I guess thats my point with my idea. If we can work out the right thread for the T valve and the correct one for the Silvia ball joint, then a straight piece of pipe with the correct threads cut at each end SHOULD do the job.

    We would then end up with a wand junction identical to the Silvia.

    What do people think (preferably ones who know a little bit about plumbing :) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4E5D52574F48594E3C0 link=1275289271/29#29 date=1282113561
    What do people think (preferably ones who know a little bit about plumbing)
    Try these guys, they should have the brass fittings you need.

    http://www.ifsaus.com.au/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 65787360170 link=1275289271/30#30 date=1282123531
    Try these guys, they should have the brass fittings you need.
    Cool link Rod. Thanks.
    Ill have to work out how to get the measurements without dismantling the machine.
    Ill keep tinkering.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip



    I was just browsing O/S and the yanks have a new variant "pl51" which appears to have a froth-enhancerless wand that looks to be longer than the pl041 wand+enhancer assembly combined! It has a screw on acorn tip by the looks of it, so you may be able to double up and elektra tip it as well 8-)

    Im not sure if there is some way we can import a whole bunch of them from somewhere, but I would definitely be in if we could...

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Hello! Let me refresh the topic.

    Ive just switched to Lelit PL041 machine from Gaggias and have problems with steaming.
    To get proper foam on Gaggias I needed to put *steam wand tip into the milk on the tilt *and make a whirl in *a jug. I cannot do the same with Lelits wand as it is always perpendicular to milk level and doesnt lean sideways. *I cant get milk spinning as steam streams *only downward.
    Ive found some video on Youtube where people get microfoam putting steam wand vertically into the milk:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6SKrEmLFA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMn5e2DkX4

    I have no idea how they do that. Ive tried buy failed.
    The only thing that is coming into my mind is to bend the wand a little bit to get a tilt.
    What could you advice please? *

    Thank you.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    Where did you buy it? Can you not get help from the supplier?

    Youre used to the milk spinning; forget it.
    Think about "rolling".
    Instead of the milk spinning around the jug, imagine it tumbling over itself top to bottom.

    Those two videos showed one with the wand on the side of the jug and the other in the very middle.
    Both positions worked.

    If you get the tip of the wand just under the surface initially, youll introduce some air, after that the power of the steam has to tumble the milk for you.





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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Im only a noob but have mastered it fairly well on the Lelit (I think) but still not as good as a good Barista!.

    I think Thundergod has good advice, but the secret for me seems to be the first few seconds. You have to drop the jug quickly as the volume increases to keep the wand tip just under the surface all the time. Also, expel some steam before you start to get rid of any water in the wand and empty the boiler a bit so you dont run out of steam. This makes room for the steam to build up in the boiler. The distance to the side of the jug does not seem to matter.

    Emptying the boiler as I described was a bit of a breakthrough for me!

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    I get great textured milk on my Lelit, and agree the secret is in the first few seconds with the wand tip just under the surface as described by RodW.

    Have you tried putting a little bit less milk in the jug? I use a 600ml jug and generally get good results with milk level just under the point where the spout starts, as is generally recommended. (The only time I have trouble is if I overfill the jug.)

    Also I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit. I often put a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.

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    Thank you VERY much guys! It was kind of a revelation for me and *really helpful!

    RodW, could you give me step by step manual about this "Also, expel some steam before you start..." please?

    BTW, it seems that a steam wand on Lelits is hold just by little silicon washer inside the split nut, am I right ? Looks so flimsy...

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 524F4D504552200 link=1275289271/37#37 date=1292497625
    Thank you VERY much guys! It was kind of a revelation for me and *really helpful!

    RodW, could you give me step by step manual about this "Also, expel some steam before you start..." please?

    BTW, it seems that a steam wand on Lelits *is hold just by little silicon washer inside the split nut, am I right ? Looks so flimsy...
    Youl work it out after a month or so. I did! :D ;)

    Mine is an elextrolux which uses Lelit internals see
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1224562803
    So I cant say much about the attachment of the wand.

    When I first started, I was running out of steam before the job was done This was because there was not a big enough void in the boiler for steam to accumulate in. Also, you dont want any water in the steam wand before you start steaming. So the answer to both is while you are waiting for the steam light to go out is to open the steam wand and wait untill it stops spluttering. Be fairly generous with this to drop the water level in the boiler a bit to ensure there is plenty of room for steam to build up.

    I have a push button switch for steam and have to keep my finger on it all the time until the light goes out. Then I start the steaming off with two hands on the jug so I can control dropping it quickly and later once the milk level is constant, I hold the button in again in case it does run ot of steam. Becasue of this, I don t try and surf the temperatures like some do (eg, starting just before the light goes out so the boiler element is running constantly during steaming)

    Quote Originally Posted by 70454E4E597F774149544553200 link=1275289271/36#36 date=1292490458
    Have you tried putting a little bit less milk in the jug? I use a 600ml jug and generally get good results with milk level just under the point where the spout starts, as is generally recommended. (The only time I have trouble is if I overfill the jug.)

    Also I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the *angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit. *I often put *a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.
    Im gunna try that because I fill to just over the start of the spout and often now I have this down pretty pat, I spill milk all over the floor beause it increases in volume so much in those first few seconds.

    I might add, for the first month or so my rsults were pretty appalling and there as no way it would overflow!

    BW, when I bought my unit, I did a Baristas Course with Forum Sponser Veneziano and they made me take my machine in for the course. Then I watched a lot of videos on Youtube....

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Same.I found heaps of you tube videos which were very helpful and some tips from a friend who did a barista course when she bought her machine, then lots of practice and experimenting. Suddenly it all clicks into place and youre away....

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Well, while im keep training I found that its quite easy to overheat the milk with this machine. There is not really much time to stretch the milk - if you dont do this within few seconds you will have boiled milk (maybe with foam). My Gaggia Baby Twin (ugh!) with thermo-block were producing less hotter and stronger steam.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 263B39243126540 link=1275289271/40#40 date=1292625389
    Well, while im keep training I found that its quite easy to overheat the milk with this machine. There is not *really much time to stretch the milk - if you dont do this within few seconds you will have boiled milk (maybe with foam). My Gaggia Baby Twin (ugh!) with thermo-block *were producing less hotter and stronger steam. *
    Because I am a noob, I invested in a milk thermometer which I use all of the time. I figure now I could do without it but when I started to use it, I was stopping well before the temp was where it should be. The steamer changes sound close to 60 degrees I have found.


    Quote Originally Posted by 04313A3A2D0B03353D203127540 link=1275289271/36#36 date=1292490458
    I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the *angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit. *I often put *a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.
    I tried this today and it certainly is an improvement, if I can keep it up, I might have to stop saying I am a noob! I think this thread now has everything the budding Lelit owner needs to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44595241360 link=1275289271/41#41 date=1292662161
    ... I invested in a milk thermometer which I use all of the time. I figure now I could do without it but when I started to use it, I was stopping well before the temp was where it should be. The steamer changes sound close to 60 degrees I have found.
    as i remember from my "gaggia-life", I had to stretch milk just until it went gently warm (40 degree or so) and then boiled the milk *sinking the tip deeper into the milk up to 70 degree or so.

    Thanks for helping me! i hope to master all this soon

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    I agree that using a thermometer in the early days is quite helpful. I also found that I had been stopping too soon until I checked with a thermometer, and discovered I had a bit more steam time than I thought. I was taking it off too early because I was worried about overheating and ruining the milk, but it turned out that I actually had a bit more time to go. That little bit of extra steaming time did make a difference . Anyone having trouble with steaming might consider getting a thermometer to check this, if you dont already have one. They are not expensive (less than $20).

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by 75686A776275070 link=1275289271/42#42 date=1292670008
    as i remember from my "gaggia-life", I had to stretch milk just until it went gently warm (40 degree or so) and then boiled the milk *sinking the tip deeper into the milk up to 70 degree or so.

    Thanks for helping me! i hope to master all this soon

    I have seen the 40 degrees mentioned a few times but I dont think it is so relevant here (but this is the only machine I have used). The stretching happens so quickly, I find it is generally under 30 degrees. *I tend to just watch the milk and suck up any large bubbles and not worry about temp. I dont think you need to sink the wand deep into it but need to keep it just deep enough to suck up any large bubbles and not make any more big bubbles. How deep it is does not seem to make much difference.

    Have a play with wand depth and let us know your thoughts.

    Mishkys "less milk is better" tip certainly seems to be paying off. As I lower the milk quantity, the more foam I am getting. Last night with milk just touching the bottom of the spout, I threw out more milk after pouring two cups than I ever have. Before, I was emptying the jug into the cups. Next time, I will try just below the bottom of the spout.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Thanks for your help, guys! My Lelit works good now! The only bad thing about it is its 57mm basket - its impossible to get decent single brew with Lelits default one-coffee filter. Did anybody succeed in that?

    Maybe the only positive thing I had with GAGGIAS and regret about was 58mm single basket from La Marzocco which allowed obtaining decent single shot...

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Glad you got it sorted. I have not tried with the single basket for quite a while. I found it was really hard to get the right amount of coffee into it so it would close up properly. (eg. Very easy to overdose).

    I just use the double shot into a measuring glass for all shots. I then split the coffee into two cups. In my experience (and what is reported elsewhere) it is next to impossible to get two cups evenly filled.

    On the odd occasion (say coffee for 3), I discard one shot, but I bought a couple of bigger coffee mugs so generally if I am making one for myself, I just put the double shot in a mug that is almost big enough to hold 2 cups worth of milk.

    Whilst they say it is a 14 gram basket, I seem to consistently get 18 grams in the double shot basket, I weigh out 19-20 grams of beans and grind on demand and sweep the basket with a spatula. I think however, the single basket would struggle to hold any more than 7 grams, maybe even a bit less would be optimum.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Im assuming this is dead in the water? Ive been frustratingly looking at my short steam wand on my Lelit, then looking back at Gregs photo, and just wishing my machine had a nice long arm like that :(

    Mine is one of the ones that could take an Elektra tip, so it would just need the extension pipe with the right threads on each end.

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    I just had a thought, and figure this wont go against non-sponsor link rules. What about welding tip extensions? Im not sure if anyone has tried, but they are generally brass, and I believe they are similar threads. Surely one manufacturer would make a tip extension that would be the same thread as the Lelits?

    Example: http://www.toughweld.com/products/2338-tip-extension-for-artorch

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    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Just ordered the Elektra steam tip from http://espressocare.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1290012588&PNAME=Elektra+M icrocasa+Steam+Wand+Tip+Chrome * * *for my Lelit combi. *My issue is not the length of the arm, but the shear volume of steam the comes out of the nozzles large hole. *All up it was $22 with delivery - Im not 100% sure itll fit my machine but its worth the risk. *At least Ive been able to unscrew the nozzle/tip/acorn.

    Ill keep you informed with any updates.



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