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    Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

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    haha, Ive worn out the search bar and couldnt find any relevent threads, however Im convinced I cant be the first CSer to run into this problem.

    Ive been playing around with a la pavoni leva machine and have been having great difficulty getting perfect silky microfoam. *there is no issue with steam pressure, if anything the little boiler is a tad heavy handed when texturing only a little bit of milk however the steam wand is on a strange angle and is quite easy to move around, making it hard to keep in place. *then theres the 3 hole tip...

    should I be steaming milk like i would on any other machine, or is there some special technique i need to adopt when using a La Pavoni?
    am i likely to be able to mod the steam wand to point down more or am i likely to crack/snap it in the process... I think you can buy different wands (and tips) .. is this a better option, or am i wasting my time with trying to steam on a la pav?

    The shots im pulling are wayyyy too good to simply give up, has anyone else had a similar experience?


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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 797D6673607D120 link=1276410064/0#0 date=1276410064
    HHEEELLLPPPPPPP!!!

    haha, Ive worn out the search bar and couldnt find any relevent threads, however Im convinced I cant be the first CSer to run into this problem.


    You have read KKs post on milk and texturing.. Simple and works with most every thing..

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 58777E7C6B547877787E7C747C776D190 link=1276410064/1#1 date=1276412899
    You have read KKs post on milk and texturing.. Simple and works with most every thing..

    Haha yea thats a fantastic thread!
    however I found I had to throw out my old technique with this machine.

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    You can get good microfoam on a la Pav lever - keep working at it. It took me a while to change my technique to work when I got mine.

    I dont have any secret maneuvres Im withholding - just find it hard to say in words how to do it besides keep playing with it and youll get it.

    That being said, the steam arm on mine was loose and dangling when I bought it 2nd hand and havent found any reason to change that as it allows me to put it at the angle I want when steaming.

    Okay, an attempt to put it into words: Crack it open with tip in the milk, carefully bring to top so that you get a couple of Ch Chs (technical speak that is ;) ) then play with the depth of tip and position until you get the folding whirlpool - that is spinning 3 dimensionally if you get me - not just spinning around like a top but also "tumbling" from outside to inside. I get it just off centre horizontally and dont really know how deep - I just move it deeper until it happens - seems automatic now. Anyway, I warned you I cannot put it into words very well - just play with it and youll eventually get it.

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Haha yea thanks Pavoniboy.. thats basically what I was doing.
    I found that it was taking me too long to get the whirlpool happening so by the time it was heated the milk wasnt textured properly.
    ill keep at it and am sure it wont be too long before i get it right.
    maybe its better for me to start with a larger quantity of milk so it heats abit slower to get the technique happening.
    it would be interesting to see if a different tip made it easier to get the swirl.
    :)

    thanks for your help mate.
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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    The 3 hole tip takes some getting used to and I know a fair few people that have changed it to a single hole tip to make life easier, from memory this was done by getting a metric dome nut and drilling it out.

    For an experiment I blocked off one of the holes with a toothpick end for a while and I did find it easier to to get good milk but I have gone back to the 3 hole again and just got used to it.

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    thanks bf.
    guess ill just stick at it haha.
    can you get good enough milk for rosettas etc?

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Such as I care about Latte art at home for myself it is fine ;) When the quality of the art makes my coffee taste better then I guess I will care more ::)

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B7C78777F756070777E190 link=1276410064/7#7 date=1276594770
    When the quality of the art makes my coffee taste better then I guess I will care more
    I have always stated that and will til the day I pass over...


    Why..

    Cause i suck at art and always did ;D

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    My first machine was a Gaggia Factory...basically a copy of the LP Professional. The steam wand arm angle is adjustable and I found that small changes in the angle make a difference. In the end you should be able to texture milk sufficiently well to pour art...whether that be good art or bad art ;)

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Yes, definitely good enough to pour latte art. I cant do any good art, but you can definitely get nice distinct thin lines of coffee/milk/coffee/milk etc. Its just that I cant make it look like a rosetta and as above, dont intend on learning until someone can prove it makes my coffee taste better ;D

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    haha cheers guys, lovin the snobbery haha.
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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    How did ya get on Kotaro?

    Im struggling to stretch milk on my La Pavoni Lever as well - seem to be able to heat the milk up with a layer of bubbles on the top but no microfoam.

    Any tips? just read KKs post and will give that a go.

    Andrew

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C3E3D4B0 link=1276410064/12#12 date=1280551506
    Im struggling to stretch milk on my La Pavoni Lever as well - seem to be able to heat the milk up with a layer of bubbles on the top but no microfoam.

    Any tips? just read KKs post and will give that a go.

    Andrew

    How did you go Andrew ?

    KK

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Not too bad - got a better result but its a little tricky as the steam wand has limited movement.

    Thinking of buying 4 litres of milk and just practicing as I know with practice ill suss it out.

    Im tempted to use the la Pav as the shot maker and my breville as the steam machine as I get good milk on that. thing is i see that as giving up and those who know me know that i wont do it.

    Cheers
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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    just had a better experience - relaxed a little and ended up steaming 3 jugs of milk with at least some microfilm - much better result.

    and the shots just keep getting better.. lovin it

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 392B285E0 link=1276410064/15#15 date=1280611343
    just had a better experience - relaxed a little and ended up steaming 3 jugs of milk with at least some microfilm - much better result.

    and the shots just keep getting better.. *lovin it

    Excellent news

    Keep it up and you may end up the NZ latte art champion :D

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    I had a laugh cheers KK.

    Dont think ill get any where latte art champ - unless there is a section for pours that look like bottoms.

    Just had 2 great coffees with microfoam - seem to be making good progress each coffee now.

    Wifey just commented id pay for that in a cafe and shes about as snobby as I am ;)



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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Have a read here too http://www.home-barista.com/levers/m...zle-t1724.html havnt got one to play with but I will some time or another.

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Great microfoam this morning - better than my other machine.

    seem to have tamed the 3 hole wand with KKs technique.

    cheers
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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 756764120 link=1276410064/19#19 date=1280705092
    Great microfoam this morning - better than my other machine.

    seem to have tamed the 3 hole wand with KKs technique. *

    cheers
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    Good news and good to hear
    Once mastered small changes can be made to suit your machine

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    Quote Originally Posted by 382A295F0 link=1276410064/12#12 date=1280551506
    How did ya get on Kotaro? *

    Im struggling to stretch milk on my La Pavoni Lever as well - seem to be able to heat the milk up with a layer of bubbles on the top but no microfoam.

    Any tips? * just read KKs post and will give that a go.

    Andrew
    hey hey.
    uhh,, getting there. slowly.
    haha, poured my first rosetta off the pav the other day.

    thanks heaps for that article link BF :D

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    Re: Texturing milk on a la pavoni leva.

    for anyone that cares...

    Ok, so a few months on and Im steaming like a dream.
    did a little tooth pick mod on the steam wand which made a HUGE difference.
    The pav has a 3 hole tip, so when the wand is at one side of the jug, one hole points directly at the side of the jug, a pointless waste really. *all it did was heat up the side of the jug and disrupt my nice circular milky whirlpool. *So i plugged it with a toothpick (as in 1st image below).
    the 2nd image just shows the old and new steam paths (and consequently milk) within the jug.
    as it may or may not be clear from the pic, the mod now means that steam is plunged down into the milk and sends it mixing in a circular motion.
    (sorry for my poor artwork) *::) ;D


    Cheers,
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    Edit: you can see my mod in action here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEqjHHgoEw
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1288171124






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