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    UHT milk?

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    will probably get shot around here for this post ;D
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    anyone bothered trying UHT milk?
    is there any noticeable taste difference / can you texture it effectively?
    this might be a silly question as it would be just as easy to go out and buy some to find out for myself.
    but its always good to stimulate some conversation. :)


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    Re: UHT milk?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5E4550435E310 link=1276935494/0#0 date=1276935494
    go out and buy some to find out for myself.
    I think you need to.

    I have used "Devondale Semi Skim UHT" for an outdoor fundraiser more than once as we only had access to an esky full of ice for a fridge. Worked well, the "skinny latte" people were happy and the "fat latte" people were too. One person out of 100 came back and asked if it was UHT and even they were still happy drinking it.


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    Re: UHT milk?

    I was actually going to ask this myself! I know the flavour is changed through the heating process, i dont know how it would taste in coffee however, or how well it would texture.....

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    Ive used full cream UHT (ran out of fresh) steamed very nicely and no complaints about taste from SWMBO.
    Having said that I still think fresh is best (all in the head) ;)

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    Interesting thread.

    I cant have milk as it makes me sick so I cant test.
    I have been told by many people that UHT tastes very different. One person told me that it makes them sick but I have only met two people that can taste it blindly (ask if it is UHT without seeing the pack).

    I have also served UHT at events and had no one complain.
    It does smell different to me. I dont know if I could pick it out blindly.
    Seems to steam the same.

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    Re: UHT milk?

    staryucks in Paris dont seem to mind it



    after a few very sad UHT lattes in France i just drank espresso,

    personally I reckon i can tell the difference on my weetbix and in a glass, and i dont really want it in my coffee either.


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    Re: UHT milk?

    Quote Originally Posted by 707C757878711D0 link=1276935494/5#5 date=1276944482
    staryucks in Paris dont seem to mind it



    after a few very sad UHT lattes in France i just drank espresso,

    personally I reckon i can tell the difference on my weetbix and in a glass, and i dont really want it in my coffee either.
    Im lead to believe next to the Yanks the French serve the worst coffee on the face of the planet. ;)

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    Re: UHT milk?

    The local coffee cart that does events around Macedon uses UHT as they often dont have access to fridge.

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    It steams fine and some of the CSs at last years wicked Sunday were doing some good art with it even with minimal practice, but given the choice of UHT to 4% fresh for then it is a no brainer for the better flavour.

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    Re: UHT milk?

    Thanks everyone for the helpful comments.

    Ive gone and bought some and was impressed with how it textured.
    as for the taste difference, i did notice a taste difference, however i didnt think it was much more than the variation you would get between different brands/types/cream contents of fresh milk. *(ie A2 vs no frills) particularly when added to coffee.

    some of these comments have been particularly helpful as i am considering this as a product to be used in an outdoor/cart situation.

    thanks again guys.
    Lovin the CS community :)
    Kotaro

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    Great question Kotaro.

    I keep a bit of Harvey Fresh (WA brand) Full Cream UHT in the pantry as a last resort "in case of emergency, break glass" kinda thing. I have to say that whilst I do notice a difference, its far better than I thought it would be and textures pretty well.

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    Re: UHT milk?

    I remember a few years ago back at high-school I used to never touch the UHT. *Now after 5 years of UHT 3 (or more) mornings per week on my cereal I cant really tell the difference - I think the problem when I was younger was the UHT wasnt always down to fridge temp when we needed it ::)

    As for texturing, both fresh and UHT (Devondale) milk - both in skim and full-cream for each - work equally well for me too :)

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    When I was using non-A2 milk, the Devondale UHT was more reliable than the fresh here in Adelaide. It wasnt ALWAYS better, but I could trust it would microfoam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1710440 link=1276935494/11#11 date=1277124448
    I think the problem when I was younger was the UHT wasnt always down to fridge temp when we needed it ::)

    As for texturing, both fresh and UHT (Devondale) milk - both in skim and full-cream for each - work equally well for me too :) *
    Haha I think this is probably the case most of the time, id find it hard to trust luke warm milk :P

    Quote Originally Posted by 03362123132B3629252820440 link=1276935494/12#12 date=1277125585
    When I was using non-A2 milk, the Devondale UHT was more reliable than the fresh here in Adelaide. It wasnt ALWAYS better, but I could trust it would microfoam.

    Greg
    Yea, ive been using A2 at home for the past couple of years and have been very happy with it.
    The UHT is an idea im tossing up for an outdoor situation which wont have alot of space/power for fridges etc.
    its good to hear that the UHT is very consistent, Its deffs starting to seem like the most realistic option for me.
    Thanks Greg. *:)

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    Jumping in a bit late here, but in Germany 90% of the cafes use UHT milk. And I can definitely taste the difference. about 80% of the cafes also just use and automatic machine (that does milk and coffee at the push of a single button), so it was kind of hard to find a decent latte. Flat whites were not to be found. ask for a white coffee, and youll get 80% water, 20% milk. and that 80% water will be all pulled through one dose of coffee... :( :(

    ...and most of the places made lattes in tall glasses, and put a drinking straw in it. :/

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    Thanks for sharing your experiences salem.
    Thats interesting, are you sure the flavor difference doesnt have more to do with the quality of the coffee and/or barista experience, not to mention the machinery used.. 80% of a cup pulled through one extraction sounds like bad news.

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    Re: UHT milk?

    We use Devondale "Semi-Skim" on our cart. However we have the benefit of being able to create a blend for the milk. *We have not had a complaint in 2 years of operation.


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    Re: UHT milk?

    Quote Originally Posted by 25213F31560 link=1276935494/16#16 date=1278319449
    We use Devondale "Semi-Skim" on our cart. However we have the benefit of being able to create a blend for the milk. *We have not had a complaint in 2 years of operation. *
    Im not really into milk, maybe once in a while, however SHMBO has commented that to her palate Devondale UHT is just as good as fresh full cream milk.
    Having said that I still prefer to use fresh, keep a couple of litres of UHT as an emergency supply. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C7866680F0 link=1276935494/16#16 date=1278319449
    We use Devondale "Semi-Skim" on our cart. However we have the benefit of being able to create a blend for the milk. *We have not had a complaint in 2 years of operation. *
    Thanks swig.
    yea Im looking into using UHT in a cart setting.
    looks like a goer. :D

    Quote Originally Posted by 566A637B6E0F0 link=1276935494/17#17 date=1278320101
    Im not really into milk, maybe once in a while, however SHMBO has commented that to her palate Devondale UHT is just as good as fresh full cream milk.
    Having said that I still prefer to use fresh, keep a couple of litres of UHT as an emergency supply. :)
    Its all in youre head mate, im sure if you did a blind tasting, even if you were able to tell them apart, you prolly wouldnt be able to pick one is the UHT, just a difference :P ;D
    ..i couldnt :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 797D6673607D120 link=1276935494/15#15 date=1278315466
    Thanks for sharing your experiences salem.
    Thats interesting, are you sure the flavor difference doesnt have more to do with the quality of the coffee and/or barista experience, not to mention the machinery used.. 80% of a cup pulled through one extraction sounds like bad news.
    I can definitely taste the UHT. I brought my aeropress with me and a tub of freshly ground coffee the first time i went over to germany. Only milk i could find at first was UHT, so tried that, and it had a weird taste to it (not bad, as such. just different). Then getting a coffee from a cafe with the UHT, could taste that same weirdness.

    Even at good cafes where i could see them pull a decent shot for a latte, the UHT milk used tasted weird. Still quite drinkable (once i found a good cafe, which was tricky as i wasnt in the same area for more than a week so each time i travelled somewhere else i had to do the whole search again), just....different.

    Given the option between drinking UHT and non-UHT, Id go non every time. But if there was only one coffee option, and it was a cart using UHT, as long as the barrista knew what he was doing it wouldnt stop me buying from them.

    UHT and one-button machines were right out though. I kept thinking maybe _this time_ it would taste ok, id just need to give it a chance. and inevitably would leave 3/4 of a cup of foulness behind.

    the worst was on a train when the guy had to re-load the one button machines milk. he pulled the tube out of the empty milk carton, and then to stop the tube dripping on the bench he put it _in the drip tray_. Opened the new milk, and then pulled up this tube half full of coffee overspill and put it in the carton. Suffice to say that coffee did not taste very nice.

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    thanks again for youre experiences mate :)
    ..i think its fair enough for me to say that id find it difficult to live in a country where auto-cappucino is the norm :-/

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    Re: UHT milk?

    I use UHT milk because it suits my lifestyle. But after reading many of the posts concerning milk qualities, I may try the A2 for a comparison. By the way, Ive achieved great microfoam with UHT skim milk from Aldis.

    One tip I heard and follow when using UHT is to place an unopened container in the fridge when your opened container is getting close to empty. That way when you open your UHT carton the milk inside will be pre-chilled and not at room temperature. That could give you a few extra days of use before it spoils.

    Of course, if you consume a lot of milk then youll have nothing to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 163438383A383235345B0 link=1276935494/21#21 date=1300354090
    That way when you open your UHT carton the milk inside will be pre-chilled and not at room temperature.
    I have a whole "Milk shelf" which can take 10 x 1L cartons. Store it all in there because I have more space in my fridge than in my cupboard.

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    I recently bought the Devondale to try, my mother has always said that it froths better than anything else shed tried. She was right, it does tend to froth better.

    As for taste though, I dont like it, my OH does and actually prefers it over the other milks.

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    I know that in Darwin most of the cafes use UHT because Pauls fresh milk (only type available), is much worse to use than UHT.

    I only use UHT in our morning coffee for the same reason, seems to microfoam fine and as others have mentioned the quality is very consistent.

    I am sure you wouldnt use it as a first choice where high quality fresh milk was available, but I really doubt I could pick the taste difference in a good coffee.

    In my experience its much more likely that a cafe brewed coffee is crap due to poor barista skills rather than milk variety!

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    Using Aldis UHT full cream as we speak and find its very inconsistent. Ok when opened, but after a few days it seems to flatten during steaming. At the same time my frothing technique has improved so I have a solid baseline as a reference.

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    We use Rev UHT in our temporary canteens.
    It just works as you would expect (very well) and I find that it tastes good and never had a complaint.
    If anything we have only ever had compliments.
    It seems to satisfy both the fat and skinny drinkers.

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    The one and only time I used UHT milk, I foamed it up and then once I poured the milk in the foam just collapsed like foam on top of a fizzy drink. I guess this is a UHT thing.



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