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    Ive had to cut back severely on my coffees of late because I cant handle the milk at all. Its very strange as I can have all other dairy (cheese, ice cream, milk in cereal) with no problems.

    Does anyone have any idea why this is? My only thought is that it has to do with heating the milk.

    Anyone else have this problem?

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 150012090804610 link=1282184470/0#0 date=1282184470
    Anyone else have this problem?
    Not really but to eliminate the heated milk option, try a coffee where instead of adding steamed milk, you top up with hot water and add a dash of cold milk (just as if you were making a cup of - ahem- instant).

    This is just to eliminate whether it is the heated milk - I doubt it though.


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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    My Dad has developed a similar problem with full cream milk, uses lot fat these days without any problems. Cheese etc are still fine. Problem ?? :-/

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 293C2E3534385D0 link=1282184470/0#0 date=1282184470
    Ive had to cut back severely on my coffees of late because I cant handle the milk at all. Its very strange as I can have all other dairy (cheese, ice cream, milk in cereal) with no problems.

    Does anyone have any idea why this is? My only thought is that it has to do with heating the milk.

    Anyone else have this problem?
    Strange.
    Heated milk is generally considered to be easier to stomach, so to speak.
    Thats why you give kids a glass of warm milk to help them sleep.
    It wouldnt work if it was going to upset their tummies.

    I agree with trying to figure it out by means of elimination.

    How about just steaming some milk and trying it without any coffee?
    Thats about as straightforward a test as youre going to get.

    P.S. What do you mean by "cant handle the milk"?

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    I canít handle milk either. It shoots straight through me like a Bondi tram.

    I became lactose intolerant about 10 years ago. No problem with cheese or yoghurt or a little milk in a macchiato.

    I take lactase tablets or drops before taking food or drinks with a lot of milk or cream. I buy them on the net.

    You could test yourself by frothing some lactose free milk, available at large supermarkets.

    Barry

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    My wife and son use lactose free milk, so we always have some at home.
    I find it too sweet for me, so stick to my full cream.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    I work with a Chinese girl whos the same, just cant do milk drinks but everything else is ok. She seems to think its an asian thing, she knows a few friends the same - she thinks it because theyve (in the big picture) only been taking milk for a short while, bodys still adjusting... but that dosent explain why cheese etc is ok.

    Back to the drawing board...

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 624E5B5B474A58706A5D464C2F0 link=1282184470/6#6 date=1282224132
    She seems to think its an asian thing
    Most Asians are lactose intolerant.

    Theres a good chart on the Wikipedia article showing lactose intolerance by region and nationality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance


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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    The website mentioned above by Thundergod explains lactose intolerance very well.

    People from countries that donít historically have a dairy industry are more likely to stop producing the natural enzyme lactase after weaning.
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    I make lactose free full cream or low fat milk by adding 4 drops of lactase per litre. I cannot taste the difference. Especially when I add COFFEE.

    I often take a lactase tablet when eating out as I donít know what milk product may be used by the cook.

    I can handle the ammount of milk in a macchiato, no problem.
    * *
    Some people have allergies to milk. Lactose intolerance is not an allergy but the lack of lactase, the natural enzyme that helps us to digest lactose, the milk sugar.

    Without lactase I become a gas producer.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Asians are more likely to be lactose intolerant, and can even become lactose intolerant as they get older.

    Thing is, Im not strictly lactose intolerant. I have more milk than cereal for breakfast, eat tons of ice cream, creme brulee, custards, you name it... but milk in coffee (or hot chocolate) is a no-go.

    I LOVE full cream, no low fat for me! I just dont get why its fine in my cereal, but not in my coffee.

    Will try all the suggestions of warm milk only, and cold milk in coffee when I have a day to stay home and be ill after :)

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Try A2 milk.
    Try a small amount of cream or light cream instead of milk.
    Cut down on the overall amount of milk in a day. (Too much milk sets me off, but small amounts are OK.)
    Make your milk coffees doppio ristretto piccolo lattes.
    Drink espresso.
    Try decaf.
    If all else fails: Cry.

    Good luck.
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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 4154465D5C50350 link=1282184470/0#0 date=1282184470
    Ive had to cut back severely on my coffees of late because I cant handle the milk at all.
    I think I know what you mean... I have a 90ml piccolo every morning before racing out the door to work and Im fine with that, but on weekends Ill often have a 200ml flat white instead, and it sometimes causes a bit of discomfort, which I just put up with because the coffee is great *:D *I also have plenty of milk and dairy in other forms but its only larger volumes of steamed milk that seems to cause the rumbles...

    A couple of years ago, the place I worked for had a client I went to see a couple of times and the boss there had bought a big vending machine style super-auto Saeco for the office which they all thought was great (not CSs obviously ;) ) but I went back a few weeks later and they reckoned nobody used it anymore since they were all getting the runs from the coffee. *

    maybe youre not alone.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 4257455E5F53360 link=1282184470/9#9 date=1282267096
    Thing is, Im not strictly lactose intolerant. I have more milk than cereal for breakfast, eat tons of ice cream, creme brulee, custards, you name it... but milk in coffee (or hot chocolate) is a no-go.
    It doesnt sound like you are lactose intolerant.

    My wife and son are and milk with lactose disagrees with them, hence us stocking the lactose free.

    I drink at least a litre of full cream milk a day with my coffees and breakfast etc. Im definitely not lactose intolerant.

    From what youve written tashie I find it difficult at this stage to believe its the milk in the coffee.
    Thats why I suggested you try steamed milk without coffee as that seems to be (the steaming) only difference to say the milk you have on your cereal.

    Just like when learning to make coffee, you have to change only one variable at a time in order to find or eliminate a cause or effect.
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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 132F3229232235202823470 link=1282184470/12#12 date=1282478203
    From what youve written tashie I find it difficult at this stage to believe its the milk in the coffee.
    So do I. What if I find out its the coffee?! What would I do then?

    *panic*

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 7366746F6E62070 link=1282184470/13#13 date=1282973462
    Quote Originally Posted by 132F3229232235202823470 link=1282184470/12#12 date=1282478203
    From what youve written tashie I find it difficult at this stage to believe its the milk in the coffee.
    So do I. What if I find out its the coffee?! What would I do then?

    *panic*
    No... Advertise ya equipment in teh for sale section ;)

    Fingers crossed it will be something simple... AS TG said ONE thing at a time and DO not assume..

    Substitution and elimination until you have 100% proof.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Anyone who is lactose intolerant like I am, can get lactase supplements from; http://lacteeze.com.au

    I recently ordered both drops and tablets and they arrived the next day in the post.

    I put 4 drops in a litre of milk or often take a tablet before eating out and get no discomfort from my problem.

    I have no trouble with the amount of milk in a macchiato.
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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 725D5456417E525D5254565E565D47330 link=1282184470/14#14 date=1282973642
    No... Advertise ya equipment in the for sale section *
    No. I like my shiny coffee making equipment, even if I drink only two a week :D

    Im not keen to start using Lacteeze as relying on lactase supplements will stop my ability to digest milk completely. No more ice cream then!

    On a side note, I had a hot chocolate and was quite sick after.

    Quote Originally Posted by 705C5C435641050A60330 link=1282184470/11#11 date=1282475736
    its only larger volumes of steamed milk that seems to cause the rumbles...
    Glad to know Im not alone though...


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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    I have a friend who comes over for coffee and often brings me a bottle of A2 milk. If he has any other milk, he gets problems.

    Apparently its the absence of the A1 protein, which triggers intolerance in some.

    give it a go.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F6A7863626E0B0 link=1282184470/0#0 date=1282184470
    Ive had to cut back severely on my coffees of late because I cant handle the milk at all. Its very strange as I can have all other dairy (cheese, ice cream, milk in cereal) with no problems.

    Does anyone have any idea why this is? My only thought is that it has to do with heating the milk.

    Anyone else have this problem?
    Morning all :)
    If anyone has read August edition of Beanscene magazine, it does mention in there regarding the trend of coffee consumption as the thing to be seen doing, asians are somewhat lactose intolerant.
    Soy based drinks are popular there regardless whether it,s in China or south east asia.
    Soy drinks there are laced with sugar, and is normally drunk as is. Here in Australia, a good number of people drink Soy with coffee and used in cooking due to the fact that they are intolerant.
    Soy milk here does not contain as much sugar as the asian counterparts.

    Interesting to know milk in coffee affects some people here. Keep it simple. Try a black coffee, or try steamed milk on their own and keep tabs. Might be surprised some clean their machines with chemicals and forget to flush out :o

    Gary





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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 716B666775637B7171020 link=1282184470/18#18 date=1283224408
    Might be surprised some clean their machines with chemicals and forget to flush out
    Seriously? ::)

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 273D303123352D2727540 link=1282184470/18#18 date=1283224408
    asians are somewhat lactose intolerant.
    Somewhat? Gary, read the article at the link I posted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by 003C213A303126333B30540 link=1282184470/7#7 date=1282225004
    Most Asians are lactose intolerant.

    Theres a good chart on the Wikipedia article showing lactose intolerance by region and nationality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Not all lactose intolerants are Asian, Iím not.

    When I became aware of being lactose intolerant about 10 years ago I started to drink my coffee as macciato. At that time not many baristas knew what a macciato was. It is better known now.

    There are many other food intolerances and allergies other than lactose. My lactose intolerance started overnight. I became a fart factory and when going out I had to plan where the toilets were.

    For a start I thought that I had food poisoning. When it didnít improve I was tested by doctors for everything from HIV aids, to bowel cancer. The answer was lactose.

    I can handle yoghurt, butter, cheese and small amounts of ice cream and lots of macciatos without any noticeable effects.

    I cannot diagnose other peopleís problems but suggest they have medical tests. Then they will know what foods to dodge or what supplements they can take. I use Lacteeze.

    Barry

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 567566666D4B50617A77757A140 link=1282184470/21#21 date=1283257978
    Not all lactose intolerants are Asian, Iím not.
    My wife and son are lactose intolerant and theyre not Asian either.
    See the chart in the link above.


    Quote Originally Posted by 567566666D4B50617A77757A140 link=1282184470/21#21 date=1283257978
    There are many other food intolerances and allergies other than lactose. My lactose intolerance started overnight. *
    Same happened to me with avocado. *:o


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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 1428352E242532272F24400 link=1282184470/20#20 date=1283229288
    Quote Originally Posted by 273D303123352D2727540 link=1282184470/18#18 date=1283224408
    asians are somewhat lactose intolerant.
    Somewhat? Gary, read the article at the link I posted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by 003C213A303126333B30540 link=1282184470/7#7 date=1282225004
    Most Asians are lactose intolerant.

    Theres a good chart on the Wikipedia article showing lactose intolerance by region and nationality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
    Not going to disagree with u right there TG, but that figure mostly likely *refers to China.
    In south east asia, that figure would be quite less.
    Being a malaysian chinese from Malaysia originally, a good number of people have coffee with milk, namely condensed milk for breakfast and thru the day.
    A popular choice is Kopi Tarek, a brew of hot black coffee poured from a height down into a latte sized glass with condensed milk on the bottom, then it,s up to the drinker to stir and drink it down with roti canai or chok(rice porridge with deep fried breadsticks).
    In China, the young ones dont have much of a problem with milk based drinks compared to the elderly folk who prefer a cup of chinese tea which explains the increasing number of coffee shops springing up there and it,s the "in" thing to do for the yuppies and trendies.
    As a child growing up in Malaysia which consist of a good cross section of malays, chinese and indians, i didnt come across too many who are intolerant, so yeah, i guess that figure points to China and perhaps Japan.

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    If you read in detail youll see they didnt test any Southeast Asians or Asian Americans for example but they did test Thai.

    The data is not 100% comprehensive but I think it gives a fair assessment.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Not only is the data not 100% comprehensive but in some cases not accurate. Wikipedia is compiled by those like you and me.
    It,s a good source for general information but one has to be careful about getting absolute to the mark information on that site.

    My nephew studies physical science at uni. He never trust it for information he would use towards his distinction, but as for ballpark info especially for lower school aged children, it can be depended on.

    As a food related problem in Malaysia, more have heart disease due to high coconut intake.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 110B060715031B1111620 link=1282184470/25#25 date=1283313655
    Not only is the data not 100% comprehensive but in some cases not accurate.
    Quote Originally Posted by 110B060715031B1111620 link=1282184470/25#25 date=1283313655
    Wikipedia is compiled by those like you and me.
    Dont those two sentences contradict each other? ;)

    I know all my contributions are 100% accurate.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    TG, Got this feeling that hammer on the avatar is coiling back to strike.
    Ill move my dog out of my way first. ;D

    What do you mean contradict each other?

    Wikipedia is compiled by those like you and me, therefore, not only is the data not 100% comprehensive, but in some cases, not accurate.

    Here,s a paste from Wikipedia....
    "On Wikipedia, you can contribute and fix errors in most articles right away!"
    "Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, written synergistically by the people who use it"
    "Dont be afraid to edit Ė anyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it betterófor example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, or removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to add new facts, please try to provide references so they may be verified, or suggest them on the articles discussion page. Changes to controversial topics and Wikipedias main pages should usually be discussed first.

    Remember Ė you cant break Wikipedia; all edits can be reversed, fixed or improved later. Wikipedia is allowed to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!"

    I stress that Wikipedia is a good source for information, but there are at times things you read that may not hold true due to the fact everyday people like you and me can contribute to the service.

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    Okay Gary. I was trying to be nice.
    Maybe then you are an ordinary person.
    Im not. 8-)
    All my contributions to Wikipedia are perfect. :P

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    Settle fellas....the bins already pretty full....

    Play nice or well have to add to it ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09564E585358545D5D5E5E565A553B0 link=1282184470/29#29 date=1283326590
    Play nice or well have to add to it *
    ;)
    All tongue in cheek Chris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 613E26303B303C353536363E323D530 link=1282184470/29#29 date=1283326590
    Settle fellas....the bins already pretty full....

    Play nice or well have to add to it *::)

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    It,s all good 2mcm and TG
    Nothing personal here at all.
    Just two hardcore coffeesnobers at it, we both share the same aim of being part of the community that strives to bring out the best in each other.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Quote Originally Posted by 103320202B0D16273C31333C520 link=1282184470/21#21 date=1283257978
    I can handle yoghurt, butter, cheese and small amounts of ice cream and lots of macciatos without any noticeable effects.
    Friend of mine is the same, he is allergic to Casein and that is destroyed or reduced in the manufacturing process of some dairy products. Unfortunately for him, chocolate isnt one of them :(

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Folks I believe there is another factor which I dont think has been mentioned yet...
    In addition to the lactose issues mentioned previously, properly digesting the protein in milk is not as easy as some other dairy products because of chewing, or lack of it....
    I have heard that protein foods require chewing to properly start the digestion process, (which seems reasonable to me), hence dairy products such as cheese, which requires some chewing typically cause less problems compared to milk, which being a liquid, is difficult to chew.* It seems common that many of us can tolerate greater or lesser amounts of this liquid protein, but there will typically be some that react more than others.*
    While yoghurt is not what I would consider a solid food, its digestion is helped by the live cultures that produced it, and it is relatively a lot thicker than milk.*
    Plain cows milk in its standard form will therefore be one of the most difficult to digest of dairy related products.
    Personally I never liked plain cows milk, and while I like the taste of a typical latte, am now usually drinking picolo lattes to reduce my milk intake, but happy to have cheese and yoghurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0D3A2323263B3B4F0 link=1282184470/33#33 date=1301535546
    Plain cows milk in its standard form will therefore be one of the most difficult to digest of dairy related products.
    Interesting.

    I have now just switched to soy in my Caps - and feel much better. If you had a problem similar to mine, try this :) Slight soy aftertaste, but well worth not feeling sick after.

    Cold milk in cereal doesnt make me ill though... Neither does ice cream or cheese, or yoghurt ;D

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    I know its a bit weird but i make my own almond milk and that creates an amazing micro foam and silky texture (i can even pour rosettas with it) - not to be confused with store bought almond milk which tastes like liquid marzipan YUCK..... also zimel lactose free milk works well but a bit sweet :/

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Beaniebop,

    I make my own almond milk as well but havent thought of trying it in with my coffee. Would you acutually recommend it for taste? I can tolerate cows milk no problem so I wouldnt bother switching to almond unless it was yummier.

    BTW if you think its weird to use almond milk Ive heard of people using a milk made of hemp oil in their lattes!* :D

    What...?

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    Fascinating thread.* Ive just been diagnosed with a mild lactose intolerance... and it was thanks to the net that I and my Doctor worked out what it was!

    I was previously told that I had IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome), but i had my doubts. While asurfing the net (as you do!) I came across this on YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V81uwYDa0Q

    That got me thinking and after some experimentation, and consultations with my Doctor, we worked out by a process of elimination what it was.

    Ilove coffee, onviously, so this was a bit of a blow...* but to date ive just toughed it out and not mixed in milk with my coffee...

    Almond milk though...Hmmmmm! :)

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Colin, welcome to CoffeeSnobs and lactose intolerance.

    I have been lactose intolerant for about 10 years. While I have accepted drinking macchiatos, at home I dose my milk with lactase drops and take a lactase tablet before eating high lactose foods.

    I can eat cheese and yoghurt without any effect and without any added lactase.

    How to handle lactose intolerance:* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczTr7Qm2og

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    My wife is lactose intolerant and usually drinks her coffee black but for the occasions shed prefer a latte we keep long life lactose free milk on hand.
    As my son is also lactose intolerant, between the both of them and things like me using it in last nights mashed potato, it never goes to waste.

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    Hey whatamidoing here :D
    How good is home made almond milk?... yeah i quite like the taste just adds a slightly nutty twist with coffee :) hemp oil milk... ew... I had a laugh well i spose dont knock it before you try it
    :D

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    Re: Milk-in-coffee intolerance

    its a bit late to add this probably but I believe that cheese and yoghurt are much lower in lactose than just plain milk, for those that are wondering why it doesnt have the same effect.




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