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    Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

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    This is in todays SMH
    A bit hesitant to post these articles as what passes for news these days tends to be hype. Im currently using Woolies Light and Im getting acceptable results but the taste isnt quite right. I think I will switch to something else. Im also concerned that milk farmers may be getting a raw deal because of it.


    MILK at $1 a litre may cut grocery bills, but beware: cut-price milk could cost you a decent cup of coffee.

    Baristas have backed up claims cheap milk does not froth as well in household coffee machines.

    Coles and Woolworths are in a price war on milk, selling store-brand milk at $2 for two litres, compared with the $2 a litre paid by cafes for a higher grade of milk.
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    Ross Quail, of the Australasian Specialty Coffee Association, said cheaper milk would affect a cup of coffee. He said some of the cheapest milk may have been sitting in cold storage or on the shelf, so it was less fresh and had a shorter use-by date.

    Customers will vote with their palate, he said and tell people what they are prepared to pay for a cup of coffee or for good-quality milk from a local retailer.

    Rob Forsyth, owner of Forsyth Coffee and Tea, said quality milk was crucial in a cup of coffee: I dont know if [producers of generic brand milk] water it down or not, but it really has that feel about it when youre trying to froth the milk - theres no fat in it.

    That effect may come down to permeates - a naturally occurring milk product added to some lines, ostensibly to maintain consistency, but regarded by some as diluting the milk.

    Generic milk at Woolworths has a lower fat content - 3.4 per cent compared with 3.6 in standard milk - a Woolworths spokeswoman, Clare Buchanan, said. Its a negligible difference but its a difference. Some people can taste that.

    It was not known if the house brand had permeates in it as that was determined by the processor and not part of our product specification.

    National Foods uses permeates in Pura and Dairy Farmers milk. The company said: The core purpose of permeate use within National Foods is protein standardisation of its products. This ensures a consistent product can be produced all year round, despite the significant fluctuations in raw milk received.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    i actually like the woolies $1 milk, i can get pretty decent texture with it.

    maybe if i was charging $4+ a cup i would be offering a better brand (but is it better quality?)

    who actually supplies it to W,* nat foods or* ?


    as for the farmers do they get any more $$ selling it as pura etc ? or does the big end of town just pay the $.50 a L to the farmer and then mark it up depending on advertising.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    actually i stopped buying the cheap milk for this frothing reason recently but thought it was just psychlogical

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    Ran with a couple of times at market events (both woolies brand).
    One time the smell was wrong and got some comments that the coffee wasnt quiet right. Textured ok.
    The next time it textured poorly.
    I stick with Pura now and bear the extra cost. It has been very consistent and always steams well. To me it is worth the extra money for a good consistent product.

    Taste? I dont know. I havent drank milk in the last 16 years due to intolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 316E76606B606C656566666E626D030 link=1299533787/5#5 date=1299620412
    *wondering when ill-informed writers will learn about texturing milk*
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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B382A2A2E3820590 link=1299533787/3#3 date=1299543719
    Taste? I dont know
    Doesnt affect the taste of your coffee?

    Spose the best way to get around the milk quality problem is to drink short or long blacks

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    *wondering when ill-informed writers will learn about texturing milk*

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C534B5D565D5158585B5B535F503E0 link=1299533787/5#5 date=1299620412
    *wondering when ill-informed writers will learn about texturing milk*
    Not, as long as they frequent cafes that froth their milk ::) (assuming they dont just drink the free international roast from the company kitchen)

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Depending on where Im shopping I chop and change between Aldi (full cream), Coles (DF full cream but Coles lite of late) and Woolies (usually full cream).
    I havent had many problems with texturing any of them.

    On the odd occasion that I do, its my fault because the next time I get it right.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    I get sick of the rubbish tricks that companies do market their products, not just milk.

    Here in WA, i dont even know if the Coles and Woolworths milk is made here or over east. All i know is that their contact details are based in Melbourne and Sydney.
    Ive been seeing and reading about what companies do to their milk, and frankly im tired of it.

    I do what some have done, buy Bannister Downs milk. Its local, worth a a bit more but i know it tastes better, it;s not diluted and im supporting the local farmers and help create jobs instead of profits being sent to the east.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 28323F3E2C3A2228285B0 link=1299533787/8#8 date=1299641783
    I do what some have done, buy Bannister Downs milk. Its local, worth a a bit more but i know it tastes better, it;s not diluted and im supporting the local farmers and help create jobs instead of profits being sent to the east
    A follow up the article I posted:

    South Coast Dairy is so small that when its processing competitors Dairy Farmers and National Foods offer in-store specials on fresh milk, it cannot afford to match them.

    Its farmer members promote the 1.5 million litres of milk they sell a year by making milkshakes at community events.

    They say that because they do little processing, their milk tastes better and has none of the frothing problems coffee lovers have reported with the generic brand. The big companies do a lot more to milk than we do, Mr Timbs said. They take it all down to skim and only put back what they think you need.


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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    I use A2 milk because it tastes a lot better and I find it is easier to digest. It costs quite a bit more but I rather drink a bit less milk and pay more than drink bad quality. And you can really pick the cheap milk by tasting it.

    Woolies and Coles are known to be crippling the farmers. Not just with milk but with fruit and veggies, too. Again, I rather pay a bit more at my local green grocer, try to waste less and have much better quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F42454D370 link=1299533787/10#10 date=1299652205
    Again, I rather pay a bit more at my local green grocer, try to waste less and have much better quality.
    I agree, however thankfully our local fruit shop and butcher are MUCH cheaper than the big supermarkets anyway, so we get better produce, and save money.

    I drink Pauls Zymil (lactose free), so Ive been paying ~$2 a litre for as long as I can remember. Because I drink so little milk these days, I can handle a little bit of lactose, so maybe I should try the A2. Not sure if Id get through 2L in a week though (~35mL milk per picollo, 3 per day...10 days for a Litre. Damn).

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    someone (no authority) told me today that dairy farmers get about .47 cents per liter for the milk.


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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C404944444D210 link=1299533787/12#12 date=1299653739
    dairy farmers get about .47 cents per liter for the milk
    A bit less than that if this info is credible. Depends on which sate.

    http://www.dairyaustralia.com.au/Our-Dairy-Industry/Industry-Statistics/Milk/Farmgate-Prices.aspx

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Here in WA I change between harvey fresh and browns.* I find depending on the batch and the time of the year that they both steam differently.* Both browns and harvey fresh are local milks.* My preference at the moment is browns but in winter time it was harvey fresh.* I find at times the milk wont texture properly and can only imagine it is the use of permeates.* Brownes do a cafe milk but I dont like the flavor of it as the cream taste comes through too much.* Ive used A2 before but at $2 a litre I dont buy it.* I find it tastes great and doesnt leave that milk aftertaste milk often leaves.* BTW I have been paying $1 L for the past 4 years at my local IGA.

    I really do think that it depends what state you come from too. I have used Pura a couple of times and found it terrible. Watery and doesnt sweeten up when textured up. Leaves you with a very flat and thin tasting cup of coffee

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    This is becoming a bit of a bug bear for me personally. We get the Farmers Direct Milk delivered and since about a month ago its gone from being fine to being impossible to texture. I have confirmed its not me by buying A2 and Pura and getting the results I expect. I read an article in the age last week where the guy who runs Farmers Direct is accusing Coles and Woolies of diluting their milk with some waste product from the production of cheese and claiming that their milk has none of it in it. The only way I reckon they could substantiate that is if they had supplied coles and woolies milk and then tested the resultant product. Funnily enough a few weeks back I got Coles milk and found that it is behaving exactly the same way as the Farmers Direct milk.
    I am now trying to work out if I need to contact Farmers Direct about it as I am probably going to stop getting their milk delivered at this rate (though its fine for anything other than coffee of course).

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Justin, theres also the differences between Harvey Fresh and South West Milk which so happens gets processed at the same Third Street address at Harvey.
    I hope i can only put it down to different dairies supplying the one co op and not processing tricks being used.
    I can taste subtle differences between those two.
    For the casual drinker they may not detect it.

    I support Harvey Fresh and their products as they purport to be WA owned and operated.
    But theres that niggling feeling at the back of my mind that they may be under pressure to do certain things due to market trends.
    Thatd be sad.

    I miss the old days when two glass bottles would turn up at the door early in the morning and you would see the cream at the surface.
    Tasted like milk.

    As far as i know, one small dairy over east still put their milk in old fashioned glass bottles.

    As for now, its Bannister Downs. They pride themselves on old fashioned principles and are trustworthy.
    I can afford it because we only drink 2 milk coffees as well two espressos a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3926243E27322524334B0 link=1299533787/11#11 date=1299653250
    so maybe I should try the A2.
    Got a litre of A2 low fat tonight and made a short cappucino. Best microfoam Ive ever made, and nearly got my first proper rosetta without really trying very hard. Tasted better than any milk Ive tasted :)

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    I use Aussie farmers direct milk and i am having the same problem as asymetc. After frothing milk it is like water with no creamy texture at all. I have used there milk for years and have been happy with the quality until the last delivery which happens to be the first delivery from there new factory in camperdown. I have emailed them and am waiting for a reply.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Being a natural product milk is likely to vary with the seasons as the pasture the cows eat changes.

    I must admit it amuses me that for years people were grizzling that there was little competition in supermarkets.

    Now Coles is adopting a stance of competing against Woolworths rather than cooperating to keep prices high people are grizzling.

    Does Grizzling seem to be a common theme??

    You canít please all of the people all of the time

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    I find milk age affects it more than milk price, but thats just me. The milk with permeate in it froths and tastes okay (not as good as real milk, but as a base for your coffee the difference isnt huge).

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Got Coles milk today due to budget restrictions.
    Steamed it and made my usual rosetta. Hang on, doesnt seem to push out as usual. Finished pouring, put that aside.
    Steamed another portion of milk to make sure i was doing things right for consistency.
    Again same thing happened. Instead of it fanning out for the first half of the rosetta, it just pooled out in a circle.
    Looked into the milk i just frothed and the appearance looks like watery, gelatinous mousse.
    Taste wise, theres a thicker texture than usual in the mouthfeel. Flavour is different too, though i cant put my finger on it.

    Being the way i am, i promptly drove 3 km to another shop for another bottle. Also bought a different brand for comparison.
    Got back, frothed both the replacement and the other brand. The difference is noticeable.

    Not sure if permeates were used in the Coles brand, but im smart enough now not to use Coles or Woolies milk, regardless of my budget restrictions.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Might also be a local issue Gary.

    Ive been using Coles and occasionally Woolies milk for a while and dont have such issues.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Gary, Im having similar problems but Im finding the coles milk completely lacking sweetness. Texture wise it looks fine, but there is an apparent lack of sweetness. Would be interested if you have had similar observations.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    The Farmers Direct mill at work is labelled as Permeate free, havent got a machine at work so cant comment on steaming characteristics sorry

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Just read your post bjeck14 after coming back from my evening work shift, and promptly drank a straight glass of Coles milk. Sweetness to me seems ok fresh, though not as sweet as the Bannister Downs i use when im not on budgetery restrictions.

    I only notice the problem when im texturing milk. Can only point it to the effects of heat on the chemistry.
    Have to point out i never needed sugar using Bannister Downs, but certainly needed some using Coles. I think the heating process affects the taste which makes it less sweet, i guess.
    But drunk fresh as they are without heating, theres less of a difference between them.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 0B372A313B3A2D38303B5F0 link=1299533787/22#22 date=1300941454
    Might also be a local issue Gary
    TG, this is a situation that needs to be addressed.
    We dont know if the milk from Woolies or Coles are trucked from over east as mentioned by myself previously on this topic, or produced locally, or trucked by the tankful from the east and bottled here etc etc.

    The addresses to be contacted are Melbourne for Coles milk, and Sydney for Woolies milk.
    In my opinion there should be labelling that tells where the milk originated from. My feeling is the milk is shipped from the east, otherwise if the milk is sourced locally, then they would label it as proudly produced in WA, of which Brownes and Bannister Downs can claim. Their contact addresses are local.

    The dairy industry in the east especially NSW and Victoria is much bigger than here in WA, so the big guns there are making things difficult for farmers here who are doing it tough what with the drought and the price of fuel etc.by dominating the market share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 332924253721393333400 link=1299533787/26#26 date=1300989007
    In my opinion there should be labelling that tells where the milk originated from.

    There is, it says Australia ::)

    labelling laws here arent even good enough to tell you what country your product comes form and you want State based stuff as well.

    Lets take Peanut butter as an example. Ingredients are peanuts and salt. The peanut butter is labelled as "made in australia from local and imported ingredients" The salt may be the only local ingredient with the peanuts sourced form the cheapest supplier in China. Yet the product is sold as Australia peanut butter. Its a rort. >:(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2D2B3C372D2A3230590 link=1299533787/27#27 date=1301016904
    "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"
    I read that on a jar last week so checked another brand (you can guess) and it stated differently "all products Australian grown or made" (paraphrased).

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    Thats a good example. That particular brand also donates part of the proceeds to a good cause, just like our fair crack donations from Beanbay.

    Unfortunately, we dont go for the brand that displays good down to earth honesty. We go for whats flashy, colourful and Pricing. We have not read the fine print and the tricks that those conglomerates use to deceive us.
    I dont mind if our milk comes from overseas, as long as its from Tasmania.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 465C515042544C4646350 link=1299533787/8#8 date=1299641783
    I do what some have done, buy Bannister Downs milk. Its local, worth a a bit more but i know it tastes better, it;s not diluted and im supporting the local farmers and help create jobs instead of profits being sent to the east.

    We use bannister downs at our cafe. I didnt know if I notied the difference at first, but after having milk based coffee from other cafes I would say I can.

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    I have been using the Coles milk for ages, it was good, but then the whole price war started, soon after I noticed the flavor changing, then more recently harder to texture.

    Skip to tonight, and I picked up some Pauls and DF, tried both and both run rings around what I have tasted and textured out of the coles, so Im going back to the more expensive stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B405A414659290 link=1299533787/31#31 date=1304005868
    I have been using the Coles milk for ages
    Ditto.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B405A414659290 link=1299533787/31#31 date=1304005868
    then the whole price war started, soon after I noticed the flavor changing, then more recently harder to texture
    I havent noticed this at all. :-?

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    At home we use the more expensive stuff.. I prefer the taste and texture.

    At work (Training school) we were using the cheap stuff because alot of it is poured down the sink.. The smell is revolting, when you have 10 students that are learning to foam milk for the first time, most burn their first attempt, the smell is not only off putting for them, for me I try really hard not to dry wretch... The cheap stuff seemed like a good idea at the time, but I have now moved up to middle priced stuff.. Better results..
    I had a class last week, and with all the Public Holidays the only milk available was Pauls.. The results were mind blowing... Their first attempts were outstanding! So it leaves me thinking, should I just hang the expense and buy the good stuff... Quite possibly we wouldnt be throwing a lot of it away as we are getting a better result...
    I guess the saying stands, you get what you pay for.... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 172B362D272631242C27430 link=1299533787/32#32 date=1304030506
    I havent noticed this at all.
    Maybe its a local issue, although maybe I just dont have the skills or steam power to compensate enough for changes in the milk either.

    In the past I did notice the Coles would vary month to month, but for a long time it was as good as Dairy Farmers, but its almost like it went to a bad seasonal change, and has yet to come good again, though its been months now.

    When I was at Di Bella the other day, I noticed they use a milk I have never even heard of, tasted on par with the best I have ever drunk before, and they sell a version targeted at home users, which I was told textures very easy, Id have been tempted to try that if they were not so far from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 352F222331273F3535460 link=1299533787/26#26 date=1300989007
    Quote Originally Posted by 0B372A313B3A2D38303B5F0 link=1299533787/22#22 date=1300941454
    Might also be a local issue Gary
    TG, this is a situation that needs to be addressed.
    We dont know if the milk from Woolies or Coles are trucked from over east as mentioned by myself previously on this topic, or produced locally, or trucked by the tankful from the east and bottled here etc etc.

    The addresses to be contacted are Melbourne for Coles milk, and Sydney for Woolies milk.
    In my opinion there should be labelling that tells where the milk originated from. My feeling is the milk is shipped from the east, otherwise if the milk is sourced locally, then they would label it as proudly produced in WA, of which Brownes and Bannister Downs can claim. Their contact addresses are local.

    The dairy industry in the east especially NSW and Victoria is much bigger than here in WA, so the big guns there are making things difficult for farmers here who are doing it tough what with the drought and the price of fuel etc.by dominating the market share.

    Gary at G
    Hi Gary, without naming names, some time back i did a stint at a major dairy. Out of boredom on nightshift we would assist the guys on the bottling machines. Part of that was changing over the rolls of labels when they changed product.
    When they went from their normal premium milk to a "home brand" milk naturally i asked the question... whats the difference?
    Answer: "the label"...
    Things may have changed but then again, maybe not.
    Ill leave it there ;)

    edit: oh yeah, the milk was local (southwest). never heard of any being trucked across from the dark side... bit far id reckon ;)

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    My wife and I used to buy Coles milk before the price wars (we heard stories about the label swap thing and how there is often no difference between brand and homebrand). When they dropped it to $1/L we kept drinking it until we both started getting indigestion and intolerance like symptoms after a large milk based coffee or a bowl of cereal.

    Anyway we changed to the Coles Organic (had it before) and it tasted better and we havent had stomach issues. We have dairy farmers or local milk at work and the local stuff is fine. Dairy Farmers is a bit so so.

    I dunno if its the permeates or what, but we are now looking for locally farmed and processed milk over the coles stuff.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Dairy farmers add permeate to keep milk consistancy throughout the whole year .. permeate is simply protien DF / pura ar the best milks to use for coffee .... consistancy is what they pride themselves on !!!! p.s d i bella uses norco .... its terrible & inconsistant and pretty much cheap and nasty milk ! ive done tastings and the df brand is by far the best

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Hi MM,

    Its a shame you have the ingredients in milk permeate backwards. How is the rest of your contribution?

    Greg

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A5F484A7A425F404C41492D0 link=1299533787/38#38 date=1309327002
    Hi MM,

    Its a shame you have the ingredients in milk permeate backwards. How is the rest of your contribution?

    Greg

    ;D Sure is an interesting first post, worlds probably better of without it ;)

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 322E232B2F2A2D2B272F22460 link=1299533787/37#37 date=1309263247
    Dairy farmers add permeate to keep milk consistancy throughout the whole year .. permeate is simply protien DF / pura ar the best milks to use for coffee .... consistancy is what they pride themselves on !!!! p.s d i bella uses norco .... its terrible & inconsistant and pretty much cheap and nasty milk ! ive done tastings and the df brand is by far the best
    Looks like an advertisement for DF milk.
    Not a good first post.

    I grew up on the North Coast so I wont have newbs saunter in and rubbish Norco without calling them out on it.

    Do you work for DF????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1529342F252433262E25410 link=1299533787/40#40 date=1309329600

    I grew up on the North Coast so I wont have newbs saunter in and rubbish Norco without calling them out on it.
    Well, Im not a newb and I will rubbish Norco milk...its rubbish.

    Always inconsistent and have been having trouble with it for ages with tiny bubbles that no amount of thumping jugs will get rid of. Everytime we get a delivery of it, half of it has been frozen (yes, that is probably a delivery problem and not a manufacturer problem) but it still is rubbish, IMHO and I have hated it for several years. It was just at a good price for the boss.

    Weve actually been using IGAs branded milk of late and I have to say, Im loving it! Dont really know where it is coming from but it keeps the bosses happy because of its price and keeps me happy because I can consistently get great silky milk out of it.

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    No i work in a cafe ..... weve tried all milk we used pura then df took over queensland market so we use that .... by far beats any other milk ....texturing & flavour wise but thats mine & our customers opinion , each to their own !!! df make iga milk saw it on our milk truck once ....
    Quote Originally Posted by 21313D3D26330D35333E520 link=1299533787/41#41 date=1309330024
    Quote Originally Posted by 1529342F252433262E25410 link=1299533787/40#40 date=1309329600

    I grew up on the North Coast so I wont have newbs saunter in and rubbish Norco without calling them out on it.
    Well, Im not a newb and I will rubbish Norco milk...its rubbish.

    Always inconsistent and have been having trouble with it for ages with tiny bubbles that no amount of thumping jugs will get rid of. Everytime we get a delivery of it, half of it has been frozen (yes, that is probably a delivery problem and not a manufacturer problem) but it still is rubbish, IMHO and I have hated it for several years. It was just at a good price for the boss.

    Weve actually been using IGAs branded milk of late and I have to say, Im loving it! Dont really know where it is coming from but it keeps the bosses happy because of its price and keeps me happy because I can consistently get great silky milk out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26363A3A21340A323439550 link=1299533787/41#41 date=1309330024
    Well, Im not a newb and I will rubbish Norco milk...its rubbish.
    ;D
    Ill only use it on my Weetbix then when I can get my hands on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6854495258594E5B53583C0 link=1299533787/43#43 date=1309352168
    ;D
    Ill only use it on my Weetbix then when I can get my hands on it.
    Thatd be about all it is good for! ;D

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A4A46465D48764E4845290 link=1299533787/44#44 date=1309385648
    Thundergod wrote Yesterday at 11:51pm: Ill only use it on my Weetbix then when I can get my hands on it. Thatd be about all it is good for!
    I must agree it drove me mad trying to work out why I keep getting those little bubbles then I changed to IGA problem solved ;)
    Cheers gra..

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    after coming back from a cafe job overseas, personally I think we take it for granted how good our milk is despite the massive price drops or so-claimed quality drops.

    The cafe I worked at used non-protein additive milk and the difference from one days batch to the next was ridiculous at times. Milk that pretty much fizzed after texturing since it couldnt hold its froth.

    And another thing, after working with skimmed (not lite) 0.1% fat milk, I can say Im glad I wont have to deal with that any more.

    So Ill stick to my $1 per litre milk.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    I noticed that Coles brand milk froths slightly less than say a2 milk but the main difference is the aroma and taste. Not that the difference is humongous but the a2 milk I tried is generally more fragrant and velvety while the Coles brand milk has less aroma and is a little bit more watery after frothing.

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    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    My wife just sticks a shot of cream in her milk.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E6469687A6C747E7E0D0 link=1299533787/8#8 date=1299641783
    I get sick of the rubbish tricks that companies do market their products, not just milk.

    Here in WA, i dont even know if the Coles and Woolworths milk is made here or over east. All i know is that their contact details are based in Melbourne and Sydney.
    Ive been seeing and reading about what companies do to their milk, and frankly im tired of it.

    I do what some have done, buy Bannister Downs milk. Its local, worth a a bit more but i know it tastes better, it;s not diluted and im supporting the local farmers and help create jobs instead of profits being sent to the east.

    Gary at G

    I always use Bannister Downs milk. Its $2.20 a litre at the moment, but its well worth the extra couple of dollars a week it costs me.

    I find the difference so noticable in coffee that I would probably still buy it if they gave away Pura or Coles branded milk for free...

    Quote Originally Posted by 232C3320222429292A2B450 link=1299533787/35#35 date=1304081004
    Hi Gary, without naming names, some time back i did a stint at a major dairy. Out of boredom on nightshift we would assist the guys on the bottling machines. Part of that was changing over the rolls of labels when they changed product.
    When they went from their normal premium milk to a "home brand" milk naturally i asked the question... whats the difference?
    Answer: "the label"...
    Things may have changed but then again, maybe not.
    Ill leave it there ;)

    edit: oh yeah, the milk was local (southwest). never heard of any being trucked across from the dark side... bit far id reckon ;)
    Pretty easy to confirm that; compare the nutrition information on the bottles...



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