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    Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

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    Hi All :)

    Im new here so sorry if ive put this in the wrong topic! I wasnt too sure.
    Ive been reading up on here for moths; and decided to buy a saeco Via Venezia, and upgraded the portafilter to a pressureless as soon as i got the machine. Im now getting pretty good shots (please dont cringe) from my pre-ground coffee that I got from a sponsor as ive yet to purchase a grinder. Im really happy so far with this base level machines ability to produce a shot.
    But my problem with the machine is the "panarello" wand... Its aweful. It makes bubbles, and even when i quarter fill my jug it still overflows with 3/4 bubbles and 1/4 warm-ish milk.
    I know im new to texturing, but surely it cant be that hard?! Ive researched online and theres an upgrade available from a certain company in the USA that replaces the panarello with a much better one that actually produces microfoam; however they dont ship to australia anyway. If anyone knows where I could get an upgraded panarello, or any advanced techniques to make microfoam with this machine without the bubbly mess, Id be very appreciative!!! :)


    Thanks everyone!

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Can you just take the thing off? Thats usually what people do but Im not sure if its possible with the VV.

    If panarellos actually worked then every coffee machine would have one.

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    No :(

    If I take the panarello off, im left with a tiny stump that would never fit inside of a jug.

    Yea, I guess thats the downside of a low end machine.

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Call Seaco and ask to purchase the original type panarello (this is not an "upgrade"....it is simply the original part used from way back).

    The original panarello had a full length inner pipe so that when you removed the external venturi assist tube, it was left with an inner steam pipe with single hole tip that worked a treat.

    This request will be the same as with anyone asking the current generation Saeco people about changing from the standard VV pressurised group handle to the original type non pressurised group handle.....they wont know what you are talking about, and you will have to ask to speak to someone that has been with the company for some time, because these items are now not current and are technically (and in practice) obsolete unlisted parts (never the less they do still exist if you manage to talk to the right person).

    Rgdz,
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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Yeah if you got the newer short stubby one, your options are limited, by luck I found the older one works real well with the cover off, the older one is a lot longer with the cover removed, and gives a nozzle you can really use to texture milk well.

    Although down side, for a bit of plastic, they are not all that cheap...

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Thanks everyone for your help :)

    I guess ill have to give saeco a call... Not looking forward to that one; I was hoping a sponsor might have one, as saeco quoted me $85+p/h for a non-pressurised portafilter, yet i managed to pick up one for $50 +p/h.

    O well, atleast i will be able to make more then dishwasher milk!* ;D

    Thanks again.

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    hi i have a parts machine with an original pannerello if your interested ....greenman..(cs) kindly sent it over from perth as a pay it forward,
    it looks like its been held on with a dab somthing. proberbly just needs a new oring to grip the steam arm, its yours if wonted i can do a vid of the texturing if you wont, mine produced good foam but it will take a bit of practice if lattee art is what your after. :)

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by 2B202C237C747A7F4D0 link=1303878722/6#6 date=1303901156
    hi i have a parts machine with an original pannerello if your interested ....greenman..(cs) kindly sent it over from perth as a pay it forward...
    but it will take a bit of practice if lattee art is what your after. :)

    Hi :)

    Just curious if this is the short stubby panarello or the long one? I have the one that came with my machine, the bottom section is removable but cannot texture milk without it, or with it haha... I need the older style wand that has a removable outer section, but can still texture milk with the outer section removed? If thats the kind you have, then i would love to get it from you :)
    I want to get into latte art, and am prepared to drink as many coffees as needed to better my skills!
    Thanks everyone for all the replies! :)

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    yep its the same as mine older longer with a pinhole tip works well :)
    pm me ur address ill pop it into the mail if ur interested ill get it down 2mrow if ulike and take snap to qualify if you like it. remember tho its proberbly 8-9 yrs old tho unlike ur new rig :P

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Beware of two things with this nozzle, one is if you do it up too tight, they will fracture and become useless, also with age they will also become brittle.

    The one I have kicking around is my second, the first I bought new broke after only about a year of use on my old Saeco, but like I said beware of overtightening the locking screw.

    I really wish the original ebay seller was around that I got my original one from, guy right out of Italy used to have all sorts of Saeco parts seriously cheap, the first one I bought cost me like $12.

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    hi to the op..
    its in the mail :)

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C575B540B030D083A0 link=1303878722/10#10 date=1304215871
    hi to the op..
    its in the mail :)
    Thankyou SO MUCH fman!!! :) Your an absolute champion!

    I recieved it today in the mail, replaced the O ring with the one I have and gave everything a good clean, then made myself the nicest cuppa on it yet! its nice to know im starting to make lattes better then most coffee shops haha :)

    All i need now is a grinder (im thinking a k3t) and im done! :)

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    awesome stuff glad it works for (props to greenman as well for the original p.i.f)

    as for the grinder i can recomened the breville smart grinder, ive had one munching my morning brew for a couple of weeks now its a very cool bit of kit for the dollars.
    cheers
    fman

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Hi Im new to CS and after a lot of researching just bought a Via Venezia which is a great improvement on my old dead cheap Sunbeam. But I too know how to microfoam milk and the VV pannarello is a bit of a pain. Is there anybody else out there who can steer me towards getting the older style steam wand which, I understand, provides a longer wand when the pannarello is removed? Ta.

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    Re: Saeco Via Venezia Panarello Upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by 372338253928510 link=1303878722/13#13 date=1317596439
    I understand, provides a longer wand when the pannarello is removed?
    Just wanted to clarify that removing the pannarello will not extend the length of the wand.

    Im not sure whether I have the original pannarello.
    Take a look at the photos Ive uploaded, hope they help.

    Quote Originally Posted by 372338253928510 link=1303878722/13#13 date=1317596439
    Is there anybody else out there who can steer me towards getting the older style steam wand
    The 3rd post in this thread suggests contacting Saeco.
    You could try calling a local service centre and see if they can sell you one... Expect it to be expensive...






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    I know this is old, but maybe someone might find it usefull. The reason the panarello wand make so many bubbles is because of the hold in the plastic wand were the two pieces of plastic meet. As the steam rushes by these holes, it draws air in to the milk as well. If you are looking for a cheap fix for this, you can wrap the joint where the two pieces meet with teflon tape. This is provides an air tight seal converting the unit into functional steam wand and it can be removed for easy cleaning. I've been using this for many months while I wait to spend the money on upgrading to a standard steam wand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spivieguy1 View Post
    I know this is old, but maybe someone might find it usefull. The reason the panarello wand make so many bubbles is because of the hold in the plastic wand were the two pieces of plastic meet. As the steam rushes by these holes, it draws air in to the milk as well. If you are looking for a cheap fix for this, you can wrap the joint where the two pieces meet with teflon tape. This is provides an air tight seal converting the unit into functional steam wand and it can be removed for easy cleaning. I've been using this for many months while I wait to spend the money on upgrading to a standard steam wand.
    Not sure how hygenic wrapping the panarello with tape is and whether you can fully wash it to remove residue. The cost of a Breville 800ES steam wand and safety grip is only around $25 posted on Evilbay. Not a huge expense for a massive improvement. Read to end of this link -

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...team-wand.html



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