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    Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

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    Hi, in adelaide we cant get REAL milk from a cow (unless we own it) or REAL goats milk... But Ive found a store that sells REAL goats milk , packaged as a "Bath Milk" and* a company that lets you BUY shares in a cow and get REAL milk* *;D.....

    Id love to know if anyone has used REAL milk when making coffee (heating and frothing as my gf likes milk based coffee) and if theyve had any problems/issues with it.

    Just like to know before I buy some shares in a COW* :o

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    The better half used to get Paris Creek organic milk to make cheese with, itís pasteurised but not homogenised, you used to be able to get it in supermarkets. I donít know if this will save you from cow ownership.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    The only way to buy Unpasteurised milk in Australia is as Bath Milk or by owning shares in the cow. Basically you are seeking raw milk. Are you seeking this for health reasons? I know of many people who source it to make cottage cheese, kefir and other milk products common in Europe, but not here.
    Do a google search for raw or bath milk and you will find suppliers. In SE QLD Flannerys health food stores sell it.
    In Adelaide you have a multitude of very good milk that is pasteurised, but not homogenised. Tweedvale is one very good example. Foodland at Norwood has a good variety of specialty milk.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Quote Originally Posted by 2126333C31520 link=1306897590/2#2 date=1306909193
    Are you seeking this for health reasons?
    Undeniably its a better health option, but difficult to source as already mentioned. Raw milk has all the natural nutrients, vitamins and good bacteria intact until the high temp processing removes it in an attempt to destroy any possible bad bacteria.
    Pasteurised cows milk is the number one allergic food in this country and even people who have been allergic to pasteurised milk for many years can typically tolerate and even thrive on raw milk.
    As with any food, coffee included, fresher is always better and this applies to milk as well. Fresh raw milk is creamier and better tasting than pasteurised milk that has a shelf life of several weeks. Ultra-high-temperature milk can be stored without refrigeration for about six months!
    Then, of course there is the issue of antibiotics, pesticides and growth hormones and the fact that many commercial dairy cows are raised on grains, not grass.
    So donít waste your money on ďorganicĒ milk anymore. :o This is a waste of your resources. Redirect your energy to find real raw milk sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6846554C230 link=1306897590/3#3 date=1306929507
    Then, of course there is the issue of antibiotics, pesticides and growth hormones and the fact that many commercial dairy cows are raised on grains, not grass.
    I think the whole argument of "Raw Milk is better" falls down somewhat when you realise that you arent a calf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 446A79600F0 link=1306897590/3#3 date=1306929507
    Pasteurised cows milk is the number one allergic food in this country and even people who have been allergic to pasteurised milk for many years can typically tolerate and even thrive on raw milk.

    Undeniably milk that has been pasteurised and homogenised has all sorts of negatives, but I think the comment that people can tolerate raw milk says it all.

    Id rather go one better and drink something that is actually GOOD for me. Cow milk does not have any documented health benefits and many negatives.

    Best milk I have found comes from coconuts and it gets used quite a bit in cooking - curries, baking, porridge, all good. Coffee I find is best unadulterated.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D62607A63766160770F0 link=1306897590/4#4 date=1306929899
    I think the whole argument of "Raw Milk is better" falls down somewhat when you realise that you arent a calf.
    I spent most of my life thinking milk drinking was normal and healthy. Attitudes ARE changing, but it is a slow process and most people still dont really stop and think how bizarre it actually is. As has been well documented, practices considered perfectly normal at one point in history are seen as outlandish at other times.



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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    As a child, I was raised on raw un-pasteurised, un-homogenised goat milk and I was healthy. For years my family had a goat, chooks and bee hives and we grew our own vegetables on our quarter acre Sydney suburban house block. We also had a free range dog.

    A lot of what we did back in the good old days, the 1940ís and 50ís are now illegal or fattening.

    Pasteurisation of milk was brought in because TB and brucellosis was being spread by drinking milk from diseased cows. Also, at the time milk was not refrigerated until it got to a milk factory, so bacteria could multiply.

    Now Australian cattle herds are free from TB and brucellosis and milk is refrigerated at the farm.

    E.coli is one of several bacteria that can be spread by raw milk. People are dying in Germany from a virulent E.coli recently spread by raw vegetables.

    It is illegal to sell un-pasteurised cow milk for human consumption; however goat milk can legally be sold un-pasteurised from a registered goat dairy.

    As far as I know, I never caught any disease from drinking raw milk. However about 10 yrs ago I became lactose intolerant. I still use milk but take lactase tablets and drops.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Quote Originally Posted by 373F31393B21213D3139520 link=1306897590/5#5 date=1306969723
    Cow milk does not have any documented health benefits
    Actually, there are plenty. From reducing tooth decay to lower incidence of osteoporosis. ;)

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Quote Originally Posted by 64454E4E4953200 link=1306897590/7#7 date=1306974919
    Actually, there are plenty. From reducing tooth decay to lower incidence of osteoporosis.

    Actually it is HIGHER risk of osteoporosis.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Quote Originally Posted by 78707E76746E6E727E761D0 link=1306897590/8#8 date=1306977968
    Quote Originally Posted by 64454E4E4953200 link=1306897590/7#7 date=1306974919
    Actually, there are plenty. From reducing tooth decay to lower incidence of osteoporosis.

    Actually it is HIGHER risk of osteoporosis.
    Findings of increased risk also report the cause not to be drinking milk (specifically, consuming calcium), but drinking (consuming) too much of it.


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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2E252522384B0 link=1306897590/9#9 date=1306978788
    Findings of increased risk also report the cause not to be drinking milk (specifically, consuming calcium), but drinking (consuming) too much of it.
    Yeah - like one glass a day ;)

    Broad based studys show that countries with low dairy consumption also have low osteoporosis rates. Further, studies of groups that migrate to countries with high milk consumption show that osteoporosis rates increase in a surprisingly close correlation to dairy consumption.

    Harvard medical school have been conducting a large scale long term study of health and lifestyle for a long time (over 30 years) and the inferences from this are hard to deny.

    You may well be correct that it is the calcium content which is implicated in osteoporosis, but given that we get our required calcium intake of 4-500mg a day easily enough in a balanced diet, any amount is too much. Not to mention the doubled risk or prostate cancer for 50% of the population.


    I dont expect anyone to stop drinking milk on the basis of my posts, but if this makes even one person stop and think for a while, then do a bit of research on their own behalf then it is a good thing. Everyone can make their own minds up, but owes it to themselves to be well informed.
    Some may even find they enjoy their coffee better without milk once they get used to it.

    If you pay careful attention to dairy ads, they will never make claims that milk and dairy products will make you healthier. Instead you get statements like We all need calcium for healthy bones. Milk is a great source of calcium - designed to make you mentally link the two statements, without leaving them liable for making false claims. The dairy industry (run by some of the largest companies on the planet) is in a similar place to that of the tobacco industry 50 years ago.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    I think weve reached agreement! :)

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Hi guys, please be aware it is illegal to knowingly supply raw milk for human consumption. In QLD, the health department is cracking down on health stores selling excessive amounts of bath milk knowingly being used for human consumption. I am aware of numerous cases of children and some adults becoming dangerously ill from the consumption of raw milk.

    This is not to detract from those who make the choice to drink raw milk, but to give those considering it all sides of the discussion.

    Interesting side tidbit is that milk cannot be marketed as milk once it has additives in it. When browsing the milk section have a look how many are actually labeled as milk on the packaging (you can thank The Gruen Transfer for that one).

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Hi,

    Im a raw milk drinker and Ive never gotten sick from it. I buy raw goat milk when its available and raw cow bath milk when its not. I mainly use it to make kefir for good health and havent tried it in my coffee.* :-?

    Pointless really cause when you steam the milk you are effectively pasteurizing it so its just a waste of the raw milk which isnt cheap at about $8 per 2 liters, if like me, you have to buy it from a health food shop.

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    while the processed and unprocessed food debate can make people quite passionate and each food process really needs to be considered separately.

    All I will say that the average life expectancy is increasing.

    if modern life is so bad we should be dying younger.

    I suppose someone will bring up the people with a steady diet of junk food to make me look silly ;)

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    Re: Real milk (un-past and un-homog) and making coffee with it...Adelaide

    Its all about providing the forum readers with perspective. People do exist that take what is written on the net as gospel. I would hate to think someone would be silly enough to switch their child to a raw milk diet because someone suggested it has better properties than normal milk. I would hope that all the information were presented to such a reader so they can make an informed decision.



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