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    EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

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    Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone here could give me some tips on frothing milk with the above machine. I usually put the tip of the wand nearer to the middle as I froth the milk and as it heats up and I get the appropriate amount of froth Ill put it closer to the side of the jug to make the milk spin really quickly. However I find it really hard to get microfoam, I usually have some remnants of visible small bubbles, maybe 1mm-1.5mm in diameter.

    I usually hear a mild hissing noise whenever I froth the milk, and if what I read is true, I shouldnt continue frothing pass 30 degrees celsius in order to prevent larger bubbles from being formed yes?

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Hi arcenite,

    This topic has been discussed before.

    You will find the solutions in this same thread and also in the $500 to $1500 machine thread.

    You can find the answers via the quick search box on the top right side of this page.

    If you cant find what youre looking for, im sure others including myself can help you. :)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Agree with GatG, but I would suggest keeping to near the outside of the jug always to keep it swirling as much as possible. Start with the tip just under/on the surface to get your "nice mild hiss". Once you get enough foam (you get to know how much you need after a bit of practise) put the tip a bit deeper (but only about 1 cm or so) until you reach the desired temp. I would also suggest starting on the hottest and wettest steam settings, but you should experiment to see what works best for you. If you want, I could try making a video of how I do it. Have fun :)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Quote Originally Posted by 68727F7E6C7A6268681B0 link=1312184282/1#1 date=1312187036
    Hi arcenite,

    This topic has been discussed before.

    You will find the solutions in this same thread and also in the $500 to $1500 machine thread.

    You can find the answers via the quick search box on the top right side of this page.

    If you cant find what youre looking for, im sure others including myself can help you.* :)

    Gary at G
    Yeah I read your thread about the 6910 before Gary xD, just that I dont understand how your steam wand goes almost vertically straight into the milk. Ive tried that before at the start but it causes a lot of bubbles. It could be me xD, but I angle it to like 45 degrees into the jug(default sunbeam), to get the hissing sound.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B7E6F7E28221B0 link=1312184282/2#2 date=1312187679
    Agree with GatG, but I would suggest keeping to near the outside of the jug always to keep it swirling as much as possible. Start with the tip just under/on the surface to get your "nice mild hiss". Once you get enough foam (you get to know how much you need after a bit of practise) put the tip a bit deeper (but only about 1 cm or so) until you reach the desired temp. I would also suggest starting on the hottest and wettest steam settings, but you should experiment to see what works best for you. If you want, I could try making a video of how I do it. Have fun :)

    Pete
    Ive tried putting it nearer to the outside of the jug but I cant seem to be able to get that hissing noise when I try to. I end up with barely any froth, and when I try to lower it a little it blows up and I get big bubbles instead =/.

    Howd you see if theres sufficient froth? Sometimes I overdo it and end up with very very thick froth I had a laugh with small bubbles amongst the microfoam.

    Something I noticed too is that I may stop frothing but as I bring the tip to the edge of the jug it continues to froth even though I dont hear the hissing sound. The volume increases a lot as well as Im heating the milk up.

    Regarding the steam settings, I read that a hot and dry steam would be best for microfoam. Is it more difficult with drier steam than wetter?

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Im the laziest milk frother but the technique I use works well, for me anyway.

    I have a GPP Plus so its not exactly the same as your machine but the technique should still work.

    I sit the milk jug on the drip tray and purge the steam wand, I open the steam valve and put the tip of the wand about 5mm below the surface of the milk, on the edge of the jug at an angle. I might adjust it to get the "tearing paper" sound, then I leave it there. As the milk stretches the wand gets deeper and I just keep an eye on the temp.

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    I put the tip between about 5 and 10 mm from the side of the jug. The shaft is resting in the jug spout, the bottom of the jug is maybe 15 - 20 degrees from horizontal. The angle between the wand and the milk surface is about 50 - 60 degrees. It all varies a bit - if I get big bubble on the surface I make the wand squirt into the milk more (increase the angle closer to 90 degrees), if the milk is not swirling I decrease the angle. I think I also adjust the depth of the tip when I change this angle to get the sound "right". It really does take a bit of experimentation and practise.

    Quote Originally Posted by 352637313A3D2031540 link=1312184282/3#3 date=1312210637
    Howd you see if theres sufficient froth? Sometimes I overdo it and end up with very very thick froth I had a laugh with small bubbles amongst the microfoam.
    Practise - youre exactly right, sometimes you over do it or under do it, but with a bit of practise youll get it right nearly all the time. I can tell by how much is in the jug (I assume youre starting with the jug filled to just below where the spout begins). This also applies to your other problem of not being able to stop the foaming process - after a while you learn to get everything to happen at the right speed so you end up with what you want, but of you ever do it too much, it can be hard to just heat the milk. On the other hand, if you dont stretch it enough at the start, it is usually impossible to get more foam toward the end.

    Re the steam settings, I used to use the hottest and driest, but have found I get much more consistent results with the hottest and wettest. My theory is that, because the steam power of the 6910 is a bit average (to put it nicely), you get the most power at the wettest setting and this means it less sensitive to "blowouts" - when the tip suddenly breaks the surface and you get big bubbles. Again, experiment a bit.

    Feel free to keep asking questions - it can be very frustrating when its not working, but when it does its hard to remember why you couldnt do it ;)


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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Theres a fine line when you drop the jug to surf the surface.

    If you want control over this, try this technique which may work.

    If you hold the jug with your left hand, start frothing with the jugs bottom facing south west the the top of jug pointing north east.
    Start with the tip below the surface and open the steam knob all the way out.
    Put the back of your right hand flat on the surface of the bench below the jug and put your fingernail of your thumb on the bottom of jug as a guide. This helps keep the jug steady.
    Introduce some air into the milk for a second or two, then ride/surf the surface about halfway between center and right wall of jug and you are hearing the tearing paper sound.
    Keep the angle of the jug the same. Reason for this is it assists the force of the steam to go into the wall of the jug and creates a clockwise whirlpool.

    If you hold the jug with your right hand,simply reverse the angle of the jug, and put the tip on the left side of milk.

    Now, because the steam of the Sunbeam is not the strongest, once the milk gets warm to the touch, put the tip only just below the surface until the milk is heated to the right temperature, this keeps the foam incorporated into the milk and prevents bubbles from collecting around the centre of the whirlpool, which may come out as a blob when time comes to pouring into the cup.

    Looking forward to your feedback on this. Works well for me. :)

    Dont worry if it doesnt work first time, try again!

    Gary at G

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Thanks for all the feedback so far! Ill try it out later and get back to you guys on the results xD.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Looks like Im gonna need to get used to the speed I had a laugh, its so much quicker since Ive changed the settings but it looks slightly better than before. At least Im not over frothing now xD.

    More practice and I should be able to froth good milk in no time xD, thank you all for your advice!

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Cheers :)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    No worries - glad its coming together. Just out of interest (and so others can benefit), what did you change the settings too??

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Hottest and wettest xD, I might take a video so that you guys can comment and help point out my mistakes :D.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Quote Originally Posted by 514253555E594455300 link=1312184282/11#11 date=1312335029
    Hottest and wettest xD, I might take a video so that you guys can comment and help point out my mistakes :D.
    -these are words of wisdom!

    Ive owned the EM6910 for about a year now. Never really had any issues with it - I manage to pull a great shot consistently, and the frothing wasnt too bad considering Im a soy man. Maybe every 3rd latte was hard to stretch the milk.

    However, after reading the settings you had it on - I really have to thank you! Perfect microfoam every time.

    So in case anyone is having troubles frothing on the EM6910, make sure its set to HOTTEST and WETTEST.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Just want to thank everyone on this thread - just tried hottest and wettest settings this morning.

    Perfect foam.

    So all 6910 users sing it with me....."hottest and wettest...."

    You wont go back...

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    I havent read much of the replies.. but heres my advice.. (although im not an expert)...
    find that point where you can get your milk to swirl and whirlpool... you can give it a bit of air at the beginning but too much will shorten your time to be able to break up the bubbles later... just take note how youre holding your milk jug, what angle the jug is against the tap. usually... im about 3/4 full tap for 2 cups of milk... how big is ur jug? hope this makes sense.. ;D

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Great tips here. I found starting my steam wand at around 8 o clock, close to edge of jug and resting on spout works for me. After I introduce some air into the milk (i.e. the paper ripping sound), and jug begins to warm, I move the wand slightly towards the centre of the jug (1cm below milk level) till milk is at optimum temp.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Good going Pete, and thanks for sharing. :)

    Gary at G

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    I had a EM6900 which was my favorites machine and unfortunately the steamp pump died on me... so I got or sent back and they replaced it with a EM6910 I thought ok cool newer machine... but I have sent it back to get the steamp pump replaced as the micro foam it creates is not micro at all its full of bubbles and quite annoying when you know you donít have this problem with any other machine they want to put in front of you... so I still have a failure EM6910 that I just am over... and wondering if I can be bothered sending it back AGAIN... the tech guys prolly donít care for coffee like us on here so if they test it the milk they get from this to the world greatest machine is no different so they probably think Iím just annoying... Maybe if SUNBEAM spend an extra $5 on quality they wouldnít have to replace so many machines and wouldnít be killing their reputation in the process

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Hi Erica ... I suggest ringing Sunbeam (not the repairer) and telling them what you have experienced and what you want done. I had to be quite firm (but polite) when I had repair issues, but got there in the end. Good luck.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C6978693F350C0 link=1312184282/18#18 date=1320443201
    Hi Erica ... I suggest ringing Sunbeam (not the repairer) and telling them what you have experienced and what you want done. I had to be quite firm (but polite) when I had repair issues, but got there in the end. Good luck.
    I agree with Pete.
    A 6910 is quite capable of making nice microfoam.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    It takes a bit of practice with this machine. As said above it does very good milk in the right hands and with the right settings. Cheers

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    Hi , Look 4 bar pressure is just pathetic to steam milk, it does not have to be this hard. SB are about to release a new model total rebuild lets hope they use a bigger steam pump. To be released after Christmas, Lets see what santa brings.
    Peter :)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F7F7B6F3D0E0 link=1312184282/21#21 date=1320971891
    Look 4 bar pressure is just pathetic to steam milk
    You are aware that the big commercial espresso machines only use 1.2-1.4 bars of pressure for steaming right?


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    You are aware that the big commercial espresso machines only use 1.2-1.4 bars of pressure for steaming right?[/QUOTE]

    Well SB Have got the set up wrong. There is not enough pressure to steam milk easily it does not need to be that hard. I used to have a Bodum that took a 14 Bar pump and gave you 19 Bar pressure to the steam wand it was great. You could micro foam a jug of milk in no time 4 mugs at once.
    Peter :)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Pffft, 19 bar pumps are for wimps!


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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    No doubt, steaming on the 6910 can be tricky (and sometimes bloody annoying) and there are much better machines available. However, as discussed above, you can produce excellent micro-foam with a bit of practice and if the machine is kept clean. It does take a bit longer and you cant do large jugs, but for around the $500 - $600 mark, its still not a bad option IMHO.

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    Hey nice modification where do you get them from?

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Ive cracked the froth code on this thing - finally 8-)

    Bump the temp and wetness settings up a few notches, and make sure the wand is angled at close to 45dg. Perfecto!

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Oh yes, have just switched to the hottest and wettest setting, BIG improvement. Very pleased. Have been flogging hottest and driest for a long time and getting no where. Thanks for the tips.

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    Thanks idk116, your suggestion also helped me with my problem! =)

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    Re: EM6910 Milk Frothing Tips

    I was watching a barista at a reputable coffee shop in Brisbane on the weekend. To do his latte art, he steamed the milk in a large jug, shot a burst of steam into a smaller jug, tipped out the resulting water and split the steamed milk into the smaller jug. Given the amount of water that came out of that smaller jug from a quick burst of steam, I reckon may 6910 on the wettest setting is producing reasonable stream. Just a thought.



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