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    Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

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    hey guys.
    i bought a cafelat 400ml pitcher off the internet because i heard its a pretty good jug for latte art and i also wanted a smaller jug so i dont waste so much milk. anyway, it arrived this morning and i had a little play around.....so far...no good. yeah its a good size for one drink and the microfoam is ok i guess.. but i cannot seem to pour it properly. it just sort of comes out of the spout wrong and splashes everywhere. i tried pouring slower and faster, tried less milk and more milk. and i cant get any form of art whatsoever. it just creates bubbles in my crema and then i get a little blob of white microfoam on top. im pretty disappointed so far seeing as i payed $50 for the thing. i tried searching the internet for similar problems.... nothing.. I might upload a video if i cant work out whats going on. If anyone else has had the same problem or knows what the problem could be, please let me know. anything is helpful. thanks in advance. :(

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Are you sure youve texture it properly? It should have a glassy appearance, no bubbles, and a pretty creamy texture.

    Put up a video, or post a picture and we may be able to help

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    Hi Lachier,

    I have the same jug and I find it pretty easy to pour from (it did take a bit of adjusting of my milk texturing technique though). Sounds like there might be a problem with your texturing? I use a modified version of the KK method for stretching the milk (due to the shape of the jug and the position of my steam holes I need to put hold the jug at about a 15 degree angle when the steam wand is near edge of jug...this may not be relevant to you...depends on your machine). I swirl immediately prior to pouring, then carefully pour down side of mug till about half full then make up my mind what I want to do to the crema / whether I actually want a flat white instead etc.

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    mmm ill try to fiddle with the texturing technique and see if it helps but it doesnt seem to be anything to do with the milk. when i try to pour it doesnt pour out in one stream. it seems to start curling down the side of the jug. if that makes sense. and just pours in a weird stream. i shall try a few different things and get back to you. thanks for the help so far :)

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Quote Originally Posted by 424F4D46474B5C2E0 link=1334125257/3#3 date=1334136053
    mmm ill try to fiddle with the texturing technique and see if it helps but it doesnt seem to be anything to do with the milk. when i try to pour it doesnt pour out in one stream. it seems to start curling down the side of the jug
    Sounds a bit weird mate. The jug wasnt somehow damaged in transit (Im guessing not)? How far are you filling the jug prior to beginning stretching? If the jug is absolutely chockers at the time you go to start pouring I could see how a problem might emerge.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    I have this jug. If you are adamant that your milk is fine, then your problem may be that you are pouring too quickly. I remember when I first used this jug, if I poured too quickly then the milk would form a wide flow (too wide for the spout itself) and some of this would run down the side of the jug (like you described). If your milk is good and technique ok then the milk should, in a way, pour itself. So I would suggest trying to slow down your pour. Aim for a stedy flow.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D4B57494C534F4E200 link=1334125257/4#4 date=1334136769
    Quote Originally Posted by 424F4D46474B5C2E0 link=1334125257/3#3 date=1334136053
    mmm ill try to fiddle with the texturing technique and see if it helps but it doesnt seem to be anything to do with the milk. when i try to pour it doesnt pour out in one stream. it seems to start curling down the side of the jug
    Sounds a bit weird mate. The jug wasnt somehow damaged in transit (Im guessing not)? How far are you filling the jug prior to beginning stretching? If the jug is absolutely chockers at the time you go to start pouring I could see how a problem might emerge.
    nah not damaged at all. i fill it up enough for how much i will need and a little more. so its not over full. ide say about half

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Quote Originally Posted by 00352435101303500 link=1334125257/5#5 date=1334138501
    I have this jug. If you are adamant that your milk is fine, then your problem may be that you are pouring too quickly. I remember when I first used this jug, if I poured too quickly then the milk would form a wide flow (too wide for the spout itself) and some of this would run down the side of the jug (like you described). If your milk is good and technique ok then the milk should, in a way, pour itself. So I would suggest trying to slow down your pour. Aim for a stedy flow.
    yeah i will try to fiddle with pouring speed and see how i go. trouble is i dont want to waste too much milk so i need to wait until someone wants a coffee. haha

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    ok so i am now able to pour it in a slightly more constant stream by pouring slower, but as soon as i try to pour any faster and try to wiggle the jug to get the microfoam to come out, it just goes all weird again. and i get no foam on top :( i cant for the life of me work out what im doing wrong

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Every jug has its own technique. When I first got the Espro jug I had the same problems. But with practice I learned that the KK method suited it to a tee and that when pouring out from it you had to hold it in a very specific way.

    So long story short keep prevailing.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    ok heres a video of the problem. this was actually the worst it has happened. im convinced its a faulty jug. :(

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhdqg8oa_Bk&context=C45d7884ADvjVQa1PpcFNN TYb-4SMZt8dC7G8_qDBL-DgJodp0SeE=

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    milk looks overheated to me
    do you have a milk thermometer?

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    yeah but its a sticker on the other jug i have. so i just go by feel.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Quote Originally Posted by 727F7D76777B6C1E0 link=1334125257/10#10 date=1334317640
    ok heres a video of the problem. this was actually the worst it has happened. im convinced its a faulty jug. :(

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhdqg8oa_Bk&context=C45d7884ADvjVQa1PpcFNN TYb-4SMZt8dC7G8_qDBL-DgJodp0SeE=
    Ive got the exact same setup as you (though hoping that will change tomorrow :)). A couple of things I noticed:

    1) Your milk texturing is a bit off. Try these changes as Im sure they will help you out. Put less milk in your jug. I know people say fill to the spout line but with this jug (and on the EM6910) I dont feel you can get a decent whirlpool going with that much milk. Also, Ive found that pre-heating the machine (say 15-20 mins) makes milk texturing a lot easier. Change those two aspects then work on getting a real whirlpool going. I angle the jug slightly which helps make this happen (Im pretty sure on a machine with more steam power then there would be no need to angle etc). Keep practising this and you milk should look a lot glassier/silkier than the one in your video. Btw, are you using lite or full cream? Full cream is easier to get great milk on but I can still get decent art with lite.

    2) Slow that pour rate down. Notice how the first 2 times the milk runs down the jug (thats cause it was too fast, maybe sudden/jerky is a better way of saying). However the 3rd try the flow seemed to come out fine.

    Actually I just had another look at your video, maybe your pour is ok. Id try working on milk texturing first.

    Hope this proves helpful for you.

    Oh, one last tip for texturing, purge that steam wand prior to doing your milk.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    You may need to play with the steam settings to get better performance. Try hottest and wettest, if you havent already - this seems to be the most common setup for the EM6910. Made a HUGE difference on mine.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Id say the pour problems are because the jug is *way* too full. It looks like it starts off almost 3/4 full and when steamed, the milk is up to less than an inch from the top.

    If that is the right amount of milk, Id be recommending a 800 ml jug. If you have lots of milk left after your coffee, start with the jug less than 1/2 full.

    Notice that when there is that much milk, tilting the jug doesnt *stretch out* the surface of the milk to a long oval so the spout grabs a narrow stream, but pushes an almost circular surface into the spout and overwhelms it.

    If you watch some of the latte art demos on the web you will notice that when jugs are that full they will split the milk into two jugs before pouring.

    Otherwise the steamed milk looks pretty reasonable.

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    Re: Cafelat 400ml pitcher doesnt poor well. :(

    Hey Lachie - I was looking for the exact same Cafelat jug like the one you have, and I finally understood what you were trying to explain from your video.

    I have used about 4 milk jugs before I settled with my current one. When I first got my ancient Breville machine, they provided a jug with the smallest spout indent, which would cause a mess on my kitchen benchtop during pouring.

    The problem lies in the spout of the jug you are using. I believe it is too shallow, and rounded. Yes, I somewhat agree with Greg and the others point about your rate of pour. But when it comes to latte art, you will want to start slow and then pour a little bit faster when youre creating the base of your rosetta (the first bulb). And you will also need it to push your bulbs to the base of the cup. That is when a deeper spout would help.

    Then when it comes to the rosetta leaf definition, a sharp spout would give you the control that you need.

    Im presently using the cheapest milk jug (Coffee Parts Stainless Steel Milk Jug - 400ml) available at http://www.coffeeparts.com.au/accessories/milk-jugs. It has a sharp and deeper indent.

    When the milk foam is too thick, I will gently pour the freshly steamed milk into another jug, and then pour it back to the original jug before finally pouring it on the espresso.

    Good luck in your quest.

    Darryl.



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