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    best milk for frothing

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    After reading a few of the threads just wondering what is the best milk for frothing, normal or lite milk, my son has just started on his coffee making journey and asked me thanks in advance for views.

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    You'lll get dozens of different answers to this question.

    Go out to your local supermarket and try different brands/types every week.
    You'll find your favourite.

    I personally only drink soy milk as I can't digest milk or even lactose-free milk.
    However I have tried many different cow's milk for my sister.
    I'd say my favourite cow's milk for frothing is Devondale Barista's Milk.

    Goodluck

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    Tried Aldi, Coles, Wollies, Home-Brand (Wollies), Pura, Great Ocean Road (Coles)

    Cheap and good are Aldi and Coles
    Feeling rich: Pura and those more expensive (But not necessary taste nice for the price if frothed)
    No good: Wollies
    No No: Home-Brand

    Depends on personal taste, really... I realise its really the machine and skills that makes cafe quality micro-foam, now I can get close enough to good foam but still limited by drier steam from full commercial machine

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    as an experienced barista who has worked in more than 6 cafes and been through countless types of milk i think procal regular full fat, taste and streches the best

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    Definitely regular, full fat milk. A2 has worked best and most consistently for me.

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    The aldi and coles milk mentioned are they full cream or lite milk.

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    Full cream, never tried any lite milk before but they look weird as they are watery... scary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by D4MMO View Post
    as an experienced barista who has worked in more than 6 cafes and been through countless types of milk i think procal regular full fat, taste and streches the best
    This is probably your bets advice. However, as a self-taught,never professional, home-barista who makes on average four FWs a day, I learnt with, and tend to use "lite" milk, usually around 2% fat and find it quite easy to produce latte-art quality milk once you have your technique sorted. Brand seems to make very little (if no) difference. Woolies green lid lite has a slightly higher fat content than other "home-brands" and ALDI, but are just as easy (or hard) to produce art-quality foam. The higher fat content does produce as creamier mouth-feel result though.

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    In terms of type of milk, I would definitely recommend full fat for starting but if you wish to become a barista commercially, then practise becomes perfect for skim or soy. I use dairy farmers at home

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    In the west I've found Brownes full cream to be the most consistent. But like other I have found as skills improved I could adjust on the fly and get nice paint like microfoam with any full cream milk.

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    Any Pura product is excellent to texture. Aldi milk is Pura packaged in their brand sticker.


    If you are after a good soy product try Bonsoy. I have worked with a few different types, and this is the better quality soy.

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    My fav so far is the Vitasoy Barista soy milk and Bannister Downs full cream milk here in the wild west.

    Both Pura, Brownes and Harvey Fresh are good too but Harvey Fresh can be inconsistent certain parts of the year.
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    Re: best milk for frothing

    My second crack - haven't settled on a regular milk, but I've had some success using Woolies lite.

    But for soy, Bonsoy is hands down the best (for consistency, latte art & taste). It costs a fortune though ($4/L).

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    pura is my 2nd choice if I can't get Gippy Milk, not sure if it is stocked in other areas being locally made in Gippsland but if it is anyone should give it a go, it isn't just fantastic for getting great microfoam but it has great taste to go with it, be it in my coffee or just cold in a glass

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    I'm certainly no barista but I enjoy dairy farmers New. It's full cream but only 2% fat and seems to provide a very good microform. I'm in Qld so it may not be available elsewhere.

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    Bonsoy is the DEVIL! They made my thyroid go out of whack and its never been right since.

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    thats soy milk in general, not just bonsoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by D4MMO View Post
    thats soy milk in general, not just bonsoy
    No.
    Bonsoy had an actual issue with high levels of iodine attributed to a seaweed extract that was part of the old recipe. The high levels of iodine contributed thyroid issues in some people.
    My understanding is that it was the only soy on the market with that issue. It has since been re-formulated without this ingredient.
    There was/is talk of a class action against Bonsoy (Spiral Foods). No other brands or distributors are included.

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    Seems this question comes up around this time every year, foaming consistency can be quite patchy, particularly in the southern states, I believe it has to do with the diet available to dairy cattle during the drier months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_1999 View Post
    No.
    Bonsoy had an actual issue with high levels of iodine attributed to a seaweed extract that was part of the old recipe. The high levels of iodine contributed thyroid issues in some people.
    My understanding is that it was the only soy on the market with that issue. It has since been re-formulated without this ingredient.
    There was/is talk of a class action against Bonsoy (Spiral Foods). No other brands or distributors are included.
    that may be true, however years as a barista, i have seen many regulars have the same issue due to soy milk in general(most of my customers dont really drink bonsoy, trust me they are way to cheap),
    some only ever had soy in their coffee and the soy milk we use aint bonsoy.

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    For my money the best milk to use is organic and unhomoginosed - organic because its a personal preference and I react badly to the other stuff, and unhomoginised (where the cream is not broken down and dispersed through the milk) because it produces a lovely velvety / creamy consistency which, when made well, allows the espresso shot to be 'folded' through the milk to produce a lovely layered and textured coffee which is difficult to produce otherwise...

    my 5c worth ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by askthecoffeeguy View Post
    For my money the best milk to use is organic and unhomoginosed - organic because its a personal preference and I react badly to the other stuff, and unhomoginised (where the cream is not broken down and dispersed through the milk) because it produces a lovely velvety / creamy consistency which, when made well, allows the espresso shot to be 'folded' through the milk to produce a lovely layered and textured coffee which is difficult to produce otherwise...

    my 5c worth ...
    Any suggestions re brands that may be available nationally ATG? would like to give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Any suggestions re brands that may be available nationally ATG? would like to give it a try.
    Don't know about nationally, but in Victoria Jonesy's Dairy sells unhomogenised milk. Apparently, some of their milk is sourced from Mt. Gambier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe View Post
    Don't know about nationally, but in Victoria Jonesy's Dairy sells unhomogenised milk. Apparently, some of their milk is sourced from Mt. Gambier.
    I use the Jonsey's at my work and its spot on! Not sure about national availability but the 1lt Pura organic is unhomoginised, it drinks very well, and I'm sure you can find it just about anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe View Post
    Don't know about nationally, but in Victoria Jonesy's Dairy sells unhomogenised milk. Apparently, some of their milk is sourced from Mt. Gambier.
    A bit far to drive for a litre of milk Joe, Mt Gambier is around 500k from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by askthecoffeeguy View Post
    I use the Jonsey's at my work and its spot on! Not sure about national availability but the 1lt Pura organic is unhomoginised, it drinks very well, and I'm sure you can find it just about anywhere

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    Thanks P, yep, Pura is available here, will pick some up tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    A bit far to drive for a litre of milk Joe, Mt Gambier is around 500k from me.
    Oops, my geography of South Australia is pretty lousy. :$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Any suggestions re brands that may be available nationally ATG? would like to give it a try.
    Not sure if you can get Tweedvale milk up in Moonta, it's my local milk here in the Adelaide Hills. Bar 9 in the city use it for their coffees.

    It's un-homogenised and tastes fantastic. The double cream is devine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmurto View Post
    Not sure if you can get Tweedvale milk up in Moonta, it's my local milk here in the Adelaide Hills. Bar 9 in the city use it for their coffees.

    It's un-homogenised and tastes fantastic. The double cream is devine too.
    Haven't seen it DrS, will check out the dairy section more closely.

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    You will not find Tweedvale in coles or woolworths. Foodland do stock it, as do some IGA stores. Some cafes stock it, and until it was available in the supermarket, I used to buy it from my favourite coffee store.
    If you are ever in Norwood, check out the Foodland there. They have a large variety of "boutique" milks in their dairy section, [most are un-homogenised]. All are very good, though I have always preferred Tweedvale for taste.
    Give Tweedvale a call, and see what is the closest place they supply.
    Along The Grapevine - Serving the Hills since 1997 Tweedvale MILK

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    Down to the local Foodland, picked up two litres of Fleuieu Jersey Premium unhomogenized, son in law visiting at the moment, he has a Bezzera BZ02 as well as a Silvia, so two amateur barista's in the house, both frothing milk at various times during the day.

    The verdict, the unhomogenized milk we tried does not froth anywhere near as well as regular low fat.

    I recall doing a similar test a few years back with the same results.

    Seems the higher the fat content the more difficult it is to foam, try adding cream to low fat milk and steaming it, not a good result.
    As I recall 1.5% fat is pretty much ideal for steaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by askthecoffeeguy View Post
    I use the Jonsey's at my work and its spot on!
    I second (or third) Jonesy's milk. It's probably the most used milk in the better cafes in Melbourne and at $4 for 2 litres, cheaper than buying Rev from Coles.

    Some of the cafes here in inner north Melb sell it - Padre, small block, etc but I've never seen it in a supermarket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post

    Some of the cafes here in inner north Melb sell it - Padre, small block, etc but I've never seen it in a supermarket.
    There's a 'boutique' IGA supermarket in the inner eastern suburbs that sells Jonesy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe View Post
    There's a 'boutique' IGA supermarket in the inner eastern suburbs that sells Jonesy's.
    Yep I've just discovered that one, if you mean the one in Hawthorn.

    Jonesy's have a list on their website of cafes and shops that use/stock their milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    Jonesy's have a list on their website of cafes and shops that use/stock their milk.
    This is the link for a list of retailers for Jonesy's milk - http://jonesysdairyfresh.com/userfiles/WebsiteList.pdf

    Its a combined list of commercial users as well as retailers so make sure you are looking at the one's that "retail".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    Yep I've just discovered that one, if you mean the one in Hawthorn.
    Yep, that's the one.

    It doesn't seem to be stocking un-homogenised milk currently....maybe it's a seasonal thing?

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    Interesting article on Homogenised v Un-homogenised milk.

    NZ Society of Naturopaths - Homogenised Milk - Can it cause damage to your health

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    Milk I prefer is the Riverina Fresh generic brand "Your Choice" you can buy from your local servo, $3.00 for 3L in Sydney. Froths extremely well, tastes better than Pura and doesn't give you indigestion or stomach pains like Dairy Farmers. Only problem I have is I can't find the skim variety of this product at the servo as they don't supply it, and I then have to go for the Riverina Fresh Skim from Woolies at $2.99 per 2L this is a superb milk. Soy milk I use only the refrigerated variety, longlife is okay but does have a funny taste and froths with a sort of scum on the top when the crema rises. I've also observed body builders only go for skim, as "Lite" has more fat and they are very concerned if its skim or lite due to this fat fact. With regard to soy milks, a CrossFit gym owner/PT told me he would never have soy as the product can give men "man boobs" because of the estrogen in the soy. Interesting subject!

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    Schultz Organic full cream Timboon!

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    We're finding (as are my parents) that the regular Coles (SA) milk froths way better than either Pura or Dairy Farmers - an even better than some of the exotic brands like BD Farm Paris Creek or Tweed Vale.

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    If you are in WA, I have found Harvey Fresh Full cream milk to be good for frothing as is the Bannister Downes in the soft pack.

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    in suburban Melbourne, Jonesy's is fantastic if you can get it, I have found next best to be A2 and i am surprised there haven't been more mentions of A2. Available everywhere and more consistent than a lot of others.

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    My absolute favourite is Pauls Zymil milk - its pretty pricey at approx $2.70 a litre, but once you've had it, its very difficult to have anything else. It's actually lactose free, which neither myself or the other half are, but it just tastes delicious!

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    All good advice. I've found that Lite really is hit and miss - sometimes its works a treat depending on brand, mostly though, its disappointing. Devondale Barista's Own seems to work well with capsule/pods if desperate.

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    +1 for Bannister Downs full cream milk in the soft pack, was recommended by Dimmatina Coffee in Osbourne Park (Perth), very consistent and works a treat.

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    Jonesy's is indeed one of the best around, have been using it for a while now. The full cream is a bit better than the skinny but with jonesy's there isnt much difference in taste and texture between the two.

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    At the new Speciality Coffee Bar on the east side of Artarmon Train Station on Sydney North Shore they are frothing Sungold Jersey cow’s milk.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/nsw/26791-...tml#post490721

    From the Sungold website:
    "The award winning Sungold Jersey Milk is collected from only purebred Jersey cows, a heritage breed with naturally superior milk, renowned for its rich creaminess and higher levels of protein and calcium.

    These attributes have seen it become a favourite for making coffees as it is richer and creamier than other milks, making it ideal for achieving a silky smooth, velvety finish which is what all discerning baristas strive for in the perfect coffee."

    Sungold is an Australian owned dairy company based at Warrnambool on the Great Ocean Road Victoria.

    Barry

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    Picked up a container of Pura a couple of days ago when Woolies was out of my usual, to my surprise the texture and froth was a lot better than my usual!

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    I'd say my favourite cow's milk for frothing is Devondale Barista's Milk.

    +1

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    Im in WA and;
    I too have found Coles full fat milk and also the skim milk both froff really well. I get a glass like texture on both type of milk and a very very fine microfoam.

    Hervey Fresh same deal again, froffs to a good standard.

    Homebrand milk is total junk and can not be froffed at all. Woolies brand milk is basically the same and doesnt froff.



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