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    Bezzera frothing...help!

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    I have become the proud owner of a new Bezzera BZ02S DE.

    Great deal from Di Bartoli...Great friendly training also given.

    I am the weak link in the chain :(

    I am now getting great shots...but my frothing is...gulp...pathetic. :-/

    Given that I was getting quite respectable microfoam on my Gaggia [with Silvia wand]...I felt that there was a reasonable chance that I would succeed on this machine.

    It has a 3 hole tip, and despite seeing it demonstrated, no matter what I try the results are poor. I can manage a reasonable increase in volume, but it is too coarse. If I keep it fine, I get very little microfoam.

    I tried blocking two holes with tooth picks and got a fairly reasonable result...but hey...Im stubborn, and if they make it with three holes, then there has to be a way to get great results.

    Any (polite :)) suggestions would be greatly appreciated...I am seeking out a 2 hole tip to try at the moment...but any technique ideas with this machine and tip would be great.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    Hi Dave,

    I cant say Ive used a Bezzera before but can relate on my experience when moving from a single hole tip on the steam-wand to a 2-hole tip. Initially I found it difficult to get perfect micro-foam because the twin-hole was producing hot steam twice as fast and could not get the texture I wanted.

    So one of the things I did was kept my empty milk-jug in the refrigerator so it remained chilled. This allowed me to prolong the milk steaming process and get a better result. I did this for awhile until I finally got use to the 2-hole tip.

    Otherwise keep practicing with plain ol water ;)

    Good luck.

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    Hi Dave,
    I have a Bezzera BZ02P which is the manual version of yours.
    I can only agree with you regarding the 3 hole tip that came with it.
    Like you I reasoned that if that what was supplied then I would master it.
    That thought lasted about a week then I bought a 2 hole tip and a 4 hole tip from
    Coffee Parts and tried them.
    I had spoken to Mark "Sparky" about the problem and he recommended trying 2 holes.
    The 2 hole tip is great.Much quicker and great microfoam.
    I am using it all the time with my 3 smaller jugs, 300ml, 500ml and 600ml.
    If Im doing several hot chocolates then the 4 hole goes on for the 1000ml jug.
    I can thoroughly recommend Coffee Parts for prompt and friendly service too.

    Cheers,
    Ken.

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    Thanks for the responses!

    Yes, I too keep the jugs in the freezer, but Im still blown away by how quickly this machine brings the milk up to temp...the thermometer just cant keep up.

    I am looking forward to getting hold of the two hole tip...but feel a bit defeated. I feel as though I have tried every possible wand angle, jug angle and tip depth, to no avail.

    Anyway...it looks a million bucks in the kitchen, and the grind, tamp and extraction seem to be going well.

    Thanks again.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    Ive got a four hole tip on my Bezzera Domus and it makes great milk, and I used to own a BZ99 which I think had a three tip - the trick is, with my Domus at least, to try to remember that the milk actually froths itself, all you have to do is to guide it a little

    Try keeping the steam wand as straight up and down as possible, then fill your milk jug to half full to allow for up to double expansion - hold your jug very loosely at a 45 degree angle, with the tip of the steam wand pointed to the bottom corner of the jug, turn the team on part way if full is too much for you, and away you go - slowly straightening up and lowering the jug as the milk expands

    the thing to remember is that these tips are designed to drive the steam to the bottom of the jug, form a whirlpool, sending the steamed milk swirling around the jug to build microfoam

    so instead of the old stretch and swirl method of heating milk that you are probably used to with your domestic machine, the Bezzera and other machines of its ilk will build body in the milk straight away - all you need to do is guide that process

    think whirlpool, whirlpool, whirlpool, keeping your wrists relaxed and allowing the movement of the milk to guide the action of the jug - and you should start to notice immediate results

    pat

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    Thanks Pat...

    The 3 hole tip directs the steam in 3 different directions...and because of that I seem to have trouble establishing a whirlpool (with the Gaggia and single hole tip, all of the steam was directed one way, and the whirlpool established itself very easily).

    How did you overcome this?

    Also, I may not be dropping the jug quickly enough given the greater quantity of steam.

    Cheers,
    Dave

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    The thing with multiple hole steam tips are theyre designed more for two portions of milk or more.

    With my two hole tip, I only get consistency when I fill my pitcher with 2 portions of milk. Anything less than 2 portions is doable with lots of control but consistency and results arent as good as a single tip.

    Try to fill your pitcher with enough milk for two. Much easier but you waste milk unless ur making two coffees.

    hope it helps...

    Gav




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    try placing the steam wand in the center of the milk jug with both the jug itself and the steam wand upright, and the tip just below the surface, turn the steam on, plunge the tip a little, and let the steam push the milk to the walls of the jug, building up a whirlpool motion from the center of the jug - this should work no matter how much milk you are using but for single portions I a much smaller (110ml?) jug - its a bit tricky but you should be able to get the hang of it

    if nothing seems to be working contact the australian distributor (I did this for my BZ99) and seek some advice, and / or try purchasing some compatible tips from espressoparts.com or similar

    pat

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    Take the tip off the steam wand and plug all but one or two holes with a bamboo toothpick. Re-install.
    I actually prefer the two hole tip with the holes partly blocked by a bit of stainless steel wire. I usually steam less than 70ml of milk.
    Greg

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    Re: Bezzera frothing...help!

    thanks for the responses...

    Tonight I steamed enough milk for two drinks (with one hole blocked) and got amazing microfoam.

    Shortly thereafter I proceeded (with the next size jug...still with one hole blocked) to steam milk for 3 drinks...and yep you guessed it :-/

    My kingdom for consistency!

    Dave

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    Hey - thats what I like to hear!

    Congratulations on the result!

    Pat



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