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    Newbies attempt. Pls rate and comment :)

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    Ive been playing around with A LOT of milk lately.

    Started foaming about a month ago so im pretty much a noob.

    Pls let me know what you think of the milk foam above.


    *It has been standing for about 4 mins when picture was taken. Took awhile fiddling with my camera before i took the picture to get it to focus near (enable macro mode)...


    It was made with Coles Full Cream discount milk ($2.19 for 2 litres).


    you cant see it in the picture, but the milk foam is roughly 1cm thick with a clearly defined border 5 mins after pouring. Initially for the first 2-3min, the border between the drink and the foam was poorly defined.



    Is there anything wrong with the foam? Any suggestions for improvement?

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    That looks pretty good--how did it taste?
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    Love it....

    Now start hammering out those rosettas!

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    Good mouthfeel, taste wise.. em.. average.

    Hehe, yeah, ive been trying to make rosettas.

    *note: the pictures above are of milk in chocolate syrup, not coffee (!). I practiced steaming with chocolate syrup cuz i cant take too many coffees a day.

    Technique wise, I steam the milk to about 15 degC, then draw air (tearing sound) about 5x1s times at ~1s intervals. Stop drawing air by 35 degC, angle the jug to generate turbulence until 60degC.

    I notice that i can only do this consistently with a 400ml jug. The supplied 600ml jug is a little too big to fold the milk comfortably each time.


    I think ive reached about the limitations of my machine (EM4800).


    Gavin, any ideas for making art friendly foam on the machine?

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    Re: Newbies attempt. Pls rate and comment :)

    Hey Ezralimm,

    I wouldnt make steaming milk so technical. You can lose yourself. Whilst I belong to the group of baristas who learn from the scientific approach (I am a studying mech engineer), I believe the only way to stretch milk is from a sensory approach. Use your ears to listen to the milks pitch, your eyes to judge the density of the foam and hands to feel for temperature. The pitch of the milk and the density of foam are related. When you texture enough milk you will let your sense of touch and sound do the work.

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    Art friendly milk should not be too thick or two thin. After awhile of pouring youll sort of know by the way the milk swirls in the jug. You can pour art with any thickness of milk, but it takes a lot of practice to recognise the texture of the milk and change the way you pour.

    Youll need a big big canvas as well. The duralex latte glass will steepen the learning curve. Grab a bowl like cup. Much easier to work with.

    Now grab a kilo of the cheapest coffee, 5 litres of milk and go nuts.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1 link=1211888873/0#5 date=1212025360
    Art friendly milk should not be too thick or two thin. After awhile of pouring youll sort of know by the way the milk swirls in the jug. You can pour art with any thickness of milk, but it takes a lot of practice to recognise the texture of the milk and change the way you pour.

    Youll need a big big canvas as well. The duralex latte glass will steepen the learning curve. Grab a bowl like cup. Much easier to work with.

    Now grab a kilo of the cheapest coffee, 5 litres of milk and go nuts.......

    I disagree. You cant pour art with any thickness of milk. Too thin and the art shears on the surface because it doesnt break up the crema properly. Too thick and you totally white out. Its impossible to pour art with super thick milk. Something James Hoffmann made David Makin realise when they trained together late last year.

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    Hmm yeh true what was I thinking....

    Thick milk is ok for hearts and apples. Crazily defined art needs the right thickness.

    Super thick milk......down the sink :D



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