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    hi everyone, just wondering if anyone has had any experience with handle less milk jugs and how they compare to there handled counterparts. easier? latte art capabilities?

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    Hmm its interesting you brought this up, cos I recently just changed my technique of holding the jug on the handle only rather than the handle with the bottom 2 fingers and then either side of the jug with the thumb and forefinger. But because Im such a wuss and cant take the heat, I changed my grip. Then I was alerted to this:

    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/product_details.asp?pid=180

    Id also be interested to hear some reviews on these. And maybe Ill change my jug-holding technique.... if there is such a thing.

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    i tried a couple of times to pour holding from the top, but i kept burning myself when i was pouring :)
    word on the street is that hazel has one, maybe she can give us some expert feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupy link=1225406766/0#2 date=1225410536
    i tried a couple of times to pour holding from the top, but i kept burning myself when i was pouring :)
    word on the street is that hazel has one, maybe she can give us some expert feedback
    haha, yeah the Cauldron where I got alerted to it! Its a rattleware jug.

    I also hated the burnys of my fingers.

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    Yeah, I was eyeing the Rattleware one off when i was at Di Bartoli on Wednesday. Looks very cool. Id be super keen to have a play with one. It just seems to make sense.

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    Toughen up you nancies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1225406766/0#5 date=1225420705
    Toughen up you nancies!
    haha, I probably deserve that. Ever since Id gone off the tools as a sparky, and sat behind a desk as a lighting consultant my hands have embarrassingly gone soft. :-[

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    Re: handle less milk jug?

    You can use a little self adhesive Velcro strip (the fury side)
    And those nancies can stay cool ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1225406766/0#7 date=1225421517
    You can use a little self adhesive Velcro strip (the fury side)
    I can imagine it getting it manked up eventually though. That jug does make a lot of sense though.

    I guess as far as pouring art, Im no real expert, but it could make sense. That spout is definitely a spout though! Id like to try one for kicks.

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    Re: handle less milk jug?

    i also imagine that it would be difficult to clean properly with velcro stuck to it?

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    Re: handle less milk jug?

    Had the opportunity of handling one of these rattleware jugs recently and personally like the control they offer. Wouldnt be to everyones liking, but what is?

    They should be available at the roastery by the end of next week, and at approx. $32.00 are good value.

    :)


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    Yeeza

    I can get my hands on some self adhesive high density foam dots 25mm dia by 1mm thick. (or the size of a 10 cent coin)
    These dots are used to stop paint damage from vehicle number plates that rattle or rub on the paint ect

    You can get them from car yards if you ask nicely

    Do you think that will work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1225406766/0#5 date=1225420705
    Toughen up you nancies!
    ;D ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle link=1225406766/0#4 date=1225418864
    Yeah, I was eyeing the Rattleware one off when i was at Di Bartoli on Wednesday. Looks very cool. Id be super keen to have a play with one. It just seems to make sense.
    I admitedly havent seen or played with one in the flesh - and only have Dans link to give me a picture of one. However my gut says to me that it doesnt make sense ...

    1) The insulated foam around the stainless jug eliminates the hand as a milk temp determinant ... unless you use one of those unreliable thermometers stuck on the side, the only other determinants are the rumble tone of the milk while its texturing, and the visual of the microfoam forming in the jug, simultaneously.

    Yes, I noticed the base of the jug is exposed from the insulation to tempt a nancie-hand ::) (thanks TG) - but that is an early determinant of milk temp, not the optimal temp that is more accurate with your hand encased around the mid-drift of the jug.

    On that score, its not a beginners jug ... the danger lies in burning or under-heating the milk, because the jug apparently comes with no compensatory means of determining optimal milk-heat levels.

    The insulated foam stubbie-like-cooler-thingie-like-thing is my major bug-bear.

    2) Supposedly better art with no handle ... ahh, why?

    Handle or no handle, mastering the texturing & wrist technique & timing is still the key to art ... regardless of whether youre holding a handle, or the whole guts of the jug with your whole hand.

    Tony

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    I dont think its foam Tony - pretty sure its rubber.

    Its probably not to everyones tastes ... but then what is?

    Personally, I really liked how it felt in my hand, and I always use the base of the jug to test temp anyway. So, I stand by my comment - to me, it just seems to make sense. Id like to have a go with milk in it and a steam wand handy, to see if it is what it seems.


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    I like the Rattleware jugs (with handles) and been using them for 10 months now as they are the perfect size for the kind of cups I need milk for (150ml lattes and 180ml caps). So when the hadle-free ones came out, of course I had to have one of those.

    I got mine last Wednesday so my observations are those from a rather limited experience with it:

    - the sleeve is rubber and I dont know whether you are supposed to take it off, but I manage to slip it off the first 10 seconds I opened the box
    - because the sleeve covers a great part of the spout - especially the parts which I usually rest on the cup rim - I found the rubber bit grabbed on to the cup rim and I had issues come swinging-spout-to-and-fro-to-make-rosetta-leaves time. So what did I do? The inner hack took over and out came the scissors...I think I may have hacked too much and ended up with a sleeve that no longer fits as snug as it used to. Note to self, oops.
    - I like the control it gives, though, because of the elongated spout that sticks out from the rest of the body, I had to be careful when pouring and also when splitting milk - too quick and the milk spills over the sides of the spout.
    - Im still practising with it - and taking TGs affectionate derision to heart, I just tried the jug sans sleeve. Blimy, it works. For me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle link=1225406766/0#14 date=1225437928
    I dont think its foam Tony - pretty sure its rubber.

    Its probably not to everyones tastes ... but then what is?

    Personally, I really liked how it felt in my hand, and I always use the base of the jug to test temp anyway. So, I stand by my comment - to me, it just seems to make sense. Id like to have a go with milk in it and a steam wand handy, to see if it is what it seems.
    Its definitely rubber, and a fairly substantial one at that! I was in Di Bartoli today having a good play around - pity I couldnt actually play with one for real as they only had the one left in stock (think theres more stock coming in next week or something). The spout looks like itll be fairly ideal for latte art.

    As with Michelle, I use the base to test temps, so not an issue for me.

    I reckon Id love it too except I havent got the luxury items funds to get one at this stage... would love to hear user feedback when this becomes more prevalent in use!

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    Ben shouldnt you be studying ;)

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    Ive been playing with one of the handleless Rattleware jugs for the last few days and thought Id post some initial thoughts. I intend to give it a more thorough workover soon.

    I am loving the handlefree factor. I adapted to it quite easily. Its really comfortable, easy to hold. I hold it left handed whilst steaming, moving my right hand from the steam knob to under the base of the jug, and back to turn off the steam.

    Ive been stoked with the microfoam I was able to produce with it from the get-go. I suspect the bell shape contributes here.

    Its the perfect size for 2 caps in the NP or ACF cups I favour. I did have difficulty steaming milk for one cup, I rest the steam arm in the spout, and its a fraction too tall when the milk level is lower. Ill have to fiddle around with my technique to see if I can compensate when Im just doing one cup. (Or Rattleware could produce a smaller jug ;) ).

    Pouring has been the trickiest bit. I dont rest the jug on the cup so I havent encountered the wiggle-hindering Hazel mentions.

    However, the spout does stick out a bit, see ...



    So, Ive had to dramatically reduce the speed at which I pour. Otherwise, it kind of slops over the side and I end up splashing milk all over the floor *;)* *(Im not sure how this would be for cafe use if you were trying to pump coffees out really quickly *:-? , but I cant see it being a problem for the Home Barista).

    Hmm ... my latte art hasnt been too flash with it ... still mastering the slower pour rate required. Ive managed to produce some really wonky rosettas with very delicate leaves. I think if you mastered this, youd be able to some great rosetta work with lots of very fine leaves. I havent got there yet. Ill keep trying.

    Oh, and I was worried about milk crud getting under the rubber and going foul, but the rubber sleeve slips off quite easily so cleaning in between is not a hassle.

    So ... I like it so far, some people wont be into it ... Id suspect a lot depends on the idiosyncrasies of your technique.


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    I liked the sound of that jug right up until you said it slips off so its easy to clean. All that stainless steel and back flushing with and with out chemicals I dont want anything that adds to the cleaning, although it looks pretty cool...........

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    Great review Michelle, and youre not kidding when you say they pour fast...tried one at the roastery today and found myself creating a vortex through the pour!

    We have some in stock at the roastery @ $32.00, and anyone who may be interested is welcome to try it out.


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    ok after trying this jug out at Dens all I can say is that it has potential. You have to change your pouring technique - i.e. a lot slower. I poured at the speed that I usually do with a standard jug and managed to (true to form) grace Dennis concrete floor with milk. Wouldnt mind playing with one a bit longer to give it a good run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1225406766/20#21 date=1226142697
    You have to change your pouring technique - i.e. a lot slower. I poured at the speed that I usually do with a standard jug and managed to (true to form) grace Dennis concrete floor with milk. Wouldnt mind playing with one a bit longer to give it a good run.
    If the problem is the spout, why not just snap off the handle on a regular jug? You can grab a 350mL jug between your index finger and thumb, close to the top, and pour quite comfortably. Havent tried it with a 600.

    Cheers,

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    True, its kinda like the Toroid jug in bell shape though - i like the way the milk moved around the jug.

    Ill be sticking to the ol faithful standard 350ml for now.

    If I did have this rattleware jug at my disposal though, Id be tempted to hack the protruding spout straight across and stretching it further forward (to make it like a standard spout), and deal with the spill over the edges.

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    Saw the Rattleware on the Di Bartoli site recently, looked interesting but wasnt sure how itd pour for art... thanks for the comments.



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