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    Thermomix Party

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    So I went to this in-home demonstration of the Thermomix last night.

    Was a great little machine and I was really interested in it until:-

    (a) *I found out the price; and

    (b) *One of their marketing points was "It replaces over 12 household appliances, including a food processor, blender, bread machine, etc.....coffee grinder.

    :o

    Hmmmm, I dont think so!

    I thought, in hindsight, I should have taken my Maver and Macap with me and challenged them to a shot-off!

    ;D

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    Re: Thermomix Party

    From their website.

    Mills, Grinds, Pulverises & Grates

    All Grains eg. wheat, barley, buckwheat, oats, rice
    Coffee Beans
    Chocolate
    Parmesan & other hard cheeses
    Sugar into icing sugar
    All Seeds eg. linseed, sesame, poppy, sunflower (make LSA)
    All Nuts eg. almond, walnuts, hazelnuts (make Dukkah)
    All Spices eg. peppercorns, cinnamon, lemon zest, nutmeg, vanilla (make Garam Masala)
    Breadcrumbs

    So if that is what you want to happen to your coffee beans then go right ahead ;D :D

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    Re: Thermomix Party

    Though, I did wonder if it would become the next modified coffee roaster...I guess that wont be happening while theyre that expensive...

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    Re: Thermomix Party

    Nope, $1950 or thereabouts - you could buy a lot of breadmakers for that price! * :P

    Having said that, it was a groovy little machine and, if I had the money spare laying about, Id probably get myself one because they are quite magical.

    Ah well, when I win lotto (and after Ive bought all the other coffee making/home roasting/grinding stuff and other assorted accoutrements that Id ever want or need!)

    :D

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    I realise this is a thread from the distant past, however in a feeble attempt to give it a bit of bump, seems Thermomix has been nominated by Choice as one of 2014's shonkiest comanies, why am I not surprised?

    Named and shamed: ‘shonkiest’ companies revealed | The New Daily

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    It would still have to be a long way ahead of most of the 'exercise machines' advertised on TV.

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    I, for one, can say that this machine was money well spent. I mean you people who own coffee machines with four figure price tags are knocking a machine that does a lot more than that. We have had ours for about three years and it has been a godsend. Especially since my son was born. It has eliminated the need for pre-packaged baby food (talking $$ and environmental impact). Those 'freezer food' nights have become risotto or minestrone soup nights, far healthier and better on the hip pocket.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't put down my ceramic burr grinder for it, but I can see how some less fussy people would grind coffee with it. We use ours to make a plethora of different flours and it will grind pretty much anything into a fine powder.

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    Which of the above posts is 'knocking' the machine?

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    It is my understanding without reading the linked article above that they were nominated for this due to the fact they did not make consultants or customers aware of the fact they were only days away from releasing the new one. Whilst underhanded, they are a sensational but of kit, we've had ours for about 6 years and if it were to stop working tomorrow I would have a new one in the kitchen within a week. Plus the new memory disc would be pretty cool!

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    My wife received one as a gift. It is a reasonable bit of kit, but:
    - they are a jack of all trades, master of none
    - they are overpriced
    - people find special thermomix specific recipes which are marginally easier to make, but nowhere near as good as the traditional version (icecream for example).

    It does make great rice - but its a lot if money for a rice cooker.

    I wouldn't pay for one myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    My wife received one as a gift. It is a reasonable bit of kit, but:
    - they are a jack of all trades, master of none
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    I wouldn't pay for one myself.
    With respect, I'm guessing you're not much of a trained cook? Thermomix is beyond superb for emulsions. Things which trained cooks can make just fine, but they're a real pita to make. The thermo does them so well.

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    We get our thermomix tm5 Thursday. Can't wait to have a play with it

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    Both my neighbour's own a Thermomix..but I just had to be different didn't I. I like the Thermomix don't get me wrong. It's just that I needed that sound and power of a lawnmower in my kitchen, so I got a Vitamix with both wet and dry jugs (at an exclusive price ). It is one crazy machine. It is not automated like the thermomix but in the right hands it has many functions. I went for it because it is tried and tested. It has been around for nearly 50 years now. It also has 10 yrs warranty (which I consider is built into the price tag but but I didn't pay that excess). Both are great machines. I just like more RPM when making my drinks and sauces. I make my own flour too and it does beat the Thermomix at that since you need dedicated blades and crushing speed. Rant over.

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    Somewhat coincidentally, I was watching a recording of last week's 'Upper Middle Bogan' last night. The doctor's husbandy character spent the episode trying to use and justify his thermomix clone (it had some other name). He struggled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    With respect, I'm guessing you're not much of a trained cook? Thermomix is beyond superb for emulsions. Things which trained cooks can make just fine, but they're a real pita to make. The thermo does them so well.
    Master of one then

    Trained cook, no. (But then, neither are most of the sales reps). I am quite capable, but my opportunities to get into the kitchen are infrequent enough that I enjoy doing things the hard way.

    They are marketed (and hyped) as a "one device to do all" product. In that role, many aspects of the numerous "thermomix recipes" are (in my opinion) compromising on quality for the sake of convenience.

    Toasting spices or 'browning' meat for curries, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    Master of one then

    Trained cook, no. (But then, neither are most of the sales reps). I am quite capable, but my opportunities to get into the kitchen are infrequent enough that I enjoy doing things the hard way.

    They are marketed (and hyped) as a "one device to do all" product. In that role, many aspects of the numerous "thermomix recipes" are (in my opinion) compromising on quality for the sake of convenience.

    Toasting spices or 'browning' meat for curries, for example.
    I absolutely agree that some of the things its claimed it can do don't stack up against specialist kit. It certainly whips egg white, but if you're a serious pastry cook then a kitchen aid is far better. I haven't used the new one, but the old one is definitely not suitable for sous vide. (Not sure if the nee one is better at keeping a steady exact temp) and as for 'grinding' coffee beans, well we all know about that.

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    The Simpson's Troy McClure shouting over the racket of an absurdly loud and rattling juicer "ARE YOU SURE IT'S ON, I CAN'T HEAR A THING!" is what sprung to mind when I first heard my friends Thermomix cooking rice. Seriously, I was astonished how loud that thing is. Could probably still hear it over my BNZ grinding beans if they were side by side.

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    Great machine if you've got a small kitchen, awesome for all in 1 bowl (soups etc) thats if you have a spare $2000.

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    I bought one of these bad boys at a demonstration thinking "yeah it'll be great, it'll save me some time .etc) .... it's now just a very expensive guacamole and sorbet maker that occasionally cooks an entire meal. The problem I've found is that for "main meals" with meat, everything is a bit chewy/bland because of the reduced cooking times. Like a curry in 30mins is great, but its hard to compared and compete with something thats had a few hours spent on it.... Im yet to try modifying a curry recipe and lowering the heat and increasing the cook time (1-1.5hrs) and see what happens. I fear that the motor might overheat and die to be honest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beandancing View Post
    Great machine if you've got a small kitchen, awesome for all in 1 bowl (soups etc) thats if you have a spare $2000.
    $50 pot + $50 wand mixer vs. $2k thermomix...

    Ill use a pot thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    $50 pot + $50 wand mixer vs. $2k thermomix...

    Ill use a pot thanks.
    It's much like the super-auto vs manual espresso machine argument

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    It's an interesting argument. We bought one and use it 3 nights week plus 2-3 other meals a week.

    Can you home cook better?
    Absolutely!
    Does it save time?
    Absolutely
    Does it make bad cooks better
    I now eat my partners dinner!!!

    I think it's a great machine. Sure 2000 is a lot of money.

    I just smiled and agreed and bought it for my partner. Did we get our money worth within a year. I'd say yes.

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    I was very sceptical when Mrs Mariner attended a friends TM demonstration. About a year later we got one.....I didn't want it - too expensive, an overpriced understatement (less than most exotic espresso machines - but it doesn't make espresso). I could not have been more wrong. We use it constantly, food is exceptional whether using recipes from instruction or making up as you go. Cannot fault it - good quality and very well engineered. Agree with rusty888.

    What I don't like:

    The business model they use - too much like Amway, Avon or Tupperware. Not faulting the model just not the right one for a piece of equipment such as this although, the demonstration of the equipment was good. The second thing I did not like was that at no time did the sales rep discuss some of the machines best attributes, such as its ability to make all of your regular recipes without a special thermomix cookbook (common sense to anyone that can add 2+2 but they want you to get their cookbooks I suppose) or even the fact that it is exceptionally easy to clean and saves a mountain of washing up.

    Although you could grind your beans to finer dust than most grinders I wouldn't recommend it. Would be a little difficult to dial your shots in and dose your portafilter - Not recommended for anything to do with coffee unless it is tiramisu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariner View Post
    .

    What I don't like:

    The business model they use - too much like Amway, Avon or Tupperware. Not faulting the model just not the right one for a piece of equipment such as this .......
    Hard to criticise a business model that is so successful .!
    ....and effective......after all, you did buy one !

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    Well, I didn't. My boss did - do not confuse me doing what I am told as being signatory to the TM convention. Tacit approval of purchase perhaps....

    The costs for them are much lower in respect to market competition with less direct comparison and scrutiny with other items on shelves, and smaller levels of SKUs required in inventory however, supply chain is far more fragmented. In my experience with it, the sales reps need to be either chefs or foodies that can passionately sell the product. Ours was not. The business model is certInly aimed at ladies (as is Tupperware and Avon) and is marketed as high end commercial quality. I have seen a couple of commercial kitchens (in Perth) in cafes using them hard - not to grind their coffee thankfully.

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    Thermomix, Amway, Nutrimetics and similar companies are based on a thinly veiled pyramid structure, those in on the ground floor reap the profits while the drones higher up the pyramid get the crumbs and ultimately drop out, only to be replaced by other gullible hopefuls, clever marketing, but in my opinion less than ethical.

    There's a discussion on pyramid schemes here on Whirlpool YOR Health? Pyramid Scheme? - Lifestyle

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    I for one would feel pretty awful about spending the full $2000 on an overblown food processor only to have a way better looking model released the following week, with all these new features like a colour touchscreen, recipe chip, as well as being quieter and faster. How hard would it have been for the company to announce an upcoming change 3-6 months out and offer a 10% discount to run out the old model or give people the option to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Thermomix, Amway, Nutrimetics and similar companies are based on a thinly veiled pyramid structure, those in on the ground floor reap the profits while the drones higher up the pyramid get the crumbs and ultimately drop out,
    I think you have your pyramid inverted !
    Normally the base is wider ( more worker "drones"),. and those few higher up live off the efforts of the majority !
    There are many of these schemes covering a whole range of products, and as a result some definitely do operate on illegal "pyramid" strategies, but the "Big" names certainly dont.
    But no, these you named are no where near "pyramid " schemes, they are well constructed MLM's ( Multi Level Marketing) plans that can enable any of the "agents" to derive huge incomes ,... if they are motivated enough !
    A good scheme ( not all) will reward any agent who is prepared to input time and effort, but none of them are suited to those who expect an easy , quick fortune, from little effort.
    Research the Tupperware story, and see how many have benefited . many individuals have made huge wealth by starting selling plastic pots to their friends, whilst at the same time developing an independent lifestyle free of many of the normal employment limitations.
    Women in particular take to this because of the independent income and flexible work hours it provides.
    Really, these are the current day equivalent to the old door to door "brush salesman" !

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    I think you have your pyramid inverted !
    Normally the base is wider ( more worker "drones"),. and those few higher up live off the efforts of the majority !

    plans that can enable any of the "agents" to derive huge incomes ,... if they are motivated enough !

    Really, these are the current day equivalent to the old door to door "brush salesman" !
    Your right, my mistake.

    Yes a few (very few) make good money, most drop out along the way after having exhausted the easy pickings among relatives and friends.

    Yep very much like door to door (prey on the gullible and uninformed) and about as ethical, once again, my opinion.

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    Isnt that what all "selling" is .. persuading someone to buy something they wouldnt otherwise commit to ?
    Everyone from schoolkids selling chocolate to raise school funding, to real estate agents selling houses, and every shonky TV add for hair spray or beer, and even the politicians !
    It is just that some folk are much better at it ( Steve Jobs ?), than others (Wayne Swan !)

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    Reading this thread reminds me of another expensive product from way back ....anyone remember Kirby vacuum cleaners and their home demos?
    Probably could last forever but boy were they loud.
    I laugh because I remember the look on my dad's face when the guy said to mum....but once you've vacuumed your curtains just change the attachment and your husband can go outside and spray paint the fence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Isnt that what all "selling" is .. persuading someone to buy something they wouldnt otherwise commit to ?
    Everyone from schoolkids selling chocolate to raise school funding, to real estate agents selling houses, and every shonky TV add for hair spray or beer, and even the politicians !
    It is just that some folk are much better at it ( Steve Jobs ?), than others (Wayne Swan !)
    No disagreement from me on any of these points Blend.

    Sadly we are locked into the First World way of doing things (profit is king) I have no idea what the solution is, but ultimately there must be a better system than the one we operate under now.

    I'm finding with maturity comes a much increased level of cynicism, perhaps not such a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeya_Latte View Post
    Reading this thread reminds me of another expensive product from way back ....anyone remember Kirby vacuum cleaners and their home demos?
    Probably could last forever but boy were they loud.
    I laugh because I remember the look on my dad's face when the guy said to mum....but once you've vacuumed your curtains just change the attachment and your husband can go outside and spray paint the fence!
    Don't recall Kirby Seeya, however I do recall the friendly Electrolux man, my dad was one of them, door to door only, very expensive product, high pressure stuff, once again once once the supply of friends and relatives were exhausted reality set in, was a tough way to make a living.

    Check out this newspaper ad from 1960 The Sydney Morning Herald - Google News Archive Search

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    Yep, whilst i see through the "selling" tactics and have a good "BS" filter, i can also appreciate the opportunities they offer to someone who wants (needs) an independent ( self employed) income option.
    The successful sales people are those with interpersonal skill and enough confidence to go beyond friends and rel'ies to find a wider customer base.
    My solution is to minimize "sales" discussions and research using either Google or trusted personal recommendations, before going shopping for a known target product..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    The successful sales people are those with interpersonal skill and enough confidence to go beyond friends and rel'ies to find a wider customer base.
    In my day we called em high pressure salesmen/people, in my opinion a dodgy way to make a living.
    Why Does High-Pressure Salesmanship Work?, Bryan Caplan | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Check out this newspaper ad from 1960 The Sydney Morning Herald - Google News Archive Search
    Interesting to see so many positions specifying age...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    In my day we called em high pressure salesmen/people, in my opinion a dodgy way to make a living.
    Why Does High-Pressure Salesmanship Work?, Bryan Caplan | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty
    I think you are fixating on the market stall "spruker" type, who will stoop to any level to sell anything.......which is one extreme.
    But there are other sales types who know how to present a good product, and also know how to identify the most likely customers. Guys like John Symond (Aussie Home Loans), or Dick Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    I think you are fixating on the market stall "spruker" type, who will stoop to any level to sell anything.......which is one extreme.
    But there are other sales types who know how to present a good product, and also know how to identify the most likely customers. Guys like John Symond (Aussie Home Loans), or Dick Smith.
    Not at all, the people you mention are entrepreneurs, you meet the people I'm referring to everywhere, selling everything from electronic snake repeller's to real estate, particularly when sales are rewarded with attractive commissions.

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    Old thread I know, however this in today's SMH is relevant.


    "Perth mother Danika Jones' horrific burns after Thermomix bursts open"


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    Wow. That's insane. I can't see how this could be possible though, the bowl is stainless (can't really burst as its not pressurised) and the lid is locked in position until you turn it off, end then you have to twist to unlock it also.

    Would be good to get the actual details of this as the end results are worrying.

    Cheers
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    "Unfortunately, Ms Jones has declined our requests to investigate the appliance," it read.*
    Odd, given she's suggested a full recall...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    Odd, given she's suggested a full recall...
    Maybe something to do with the claim she is pursuing with Slater and Gordon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Wow. That's insane. I can't see how this could be possible though, the bowl is stainless (can't really burst as its not pressurised) and the lid is locked in position until you turn it off, end then you have to twist to unlock it also.

    Would be good to get the actual details of this as the end results are worrying.

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    It can be easy to occur. Read about the old models seals.

    You will find they had to replace the seals with ones that were impossible to put on.

    The new model now holds the lid on and waits for contents to settle before it releases the lid.

    This was obvious. I think you will find more of this. Although I do believe this mother might have overloaded etc but yes it is possible.

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    Coincidently I came across this Thermomix video the other day. Hilarious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yr_etbfZtQ
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    We have the old 31 model (is that the one you are referring to?) and the original seal started to split and leak (dribble). The new one looks to be a different material but mounts the same way, clicks into the inside of the lid.

    I think of A thick liquid was being spun at high speed (being pushed up against the lid) and the machine was turned off and immediately the lid was unlocked while the liquid was still spinning against the lid then this could happen I guess?

    But why would someone do that? Brain fade?

    I guess they could introduce a longer delay between turning the machine off and the lid opening mechanism releasing.

    Awesome video, quite funny!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    We have the old 31 model (is that the one you are referring to?) and the original seal started to split and leak (dribble). The new one looks to be a different material but mounts the same way, clicks into the inside of the lid.

    I think of A thick liquid was being spun at high speed (being pushed up against the lid) and the machine was turned off and immediately the lid was unlocked while the liquid was still spinning against the lid then this could happen I guess?

    But why would someone do that? Brain fade?

    I guess they could introduce a longer delay between turning the machine off and the lid opening mechanism releasing.

    Awesome video, quite funny!

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    That is what it is. Is the new deal a green colour?

    We had one of those and I let my ex partner take and bought the new one.

    The old one allowed you to quickly turn it to 0 and take of the lid. Not a great idea with the soup in there.

    I would assume like you that it was overfilled and the seal was wearing. It does say to replace every two years which I doubt hers was.

    The design was flawed which is why the new model fixes those faults.

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    The new model has the clips that rotate over the lid.

    Some of this is caused by ignorance/silliness, people need to engage their brain when working with things that can potentially be dangerous.

    Where will it end? Massive guards over an E61 group so you don't burn yourself on it?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty888 View Post
    That is what it is. Is the new deal a green colour?
    The seal goes that green colour when spices like tumeric or other similar spices are used in it. The butterfly attachment does as well. Normally it's a grey/blue colour. She'd apparently recently had the seal replaced under recall.

    I honestly cannot see how this would have happened unless the thing was still spinning when opened OR the lid had been somehow airsealed (you can do this with a square of glad wrap). As much as I am open to the idea it's a Thermomix malfunction instead of user error, it'd take a heck of a lot of convincing to show me otherwise. The fact that the sauce is splattered all over the kitchen suggests pressure or centrifugal force. My hunch is that she's gone with the glad wrap or busted the thing open far too rapidly. I use baking paper when grinding spices to stop the spices getting all stuck in the lid.

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    One of the ways this is possible if there was a thick liquid spinning fast, the machine was turned off, lid quickly removed while the thick liquid was still spinning with momentum against the lid. When the lid was removed the liquid escaped.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    One of the ways this is possible if there was a thick liquid spinning fast, the machine was turned off, lid quickly removed while the thick liquid was still spinning with momentum against the lid. When the lid was removed the liquid escaped.

    Cheers
    Very unlikely. Thick liquids usually have greater viscosity, meaning they will slow faster.
    I own one of these, and doubt you could turn it off and subsequently open it whilst the liquid was still spinning at a significant speed.

    The only plausible explanation I can think of is that it is somehow related to a sudden expansion of steam?
    Dimal likes this.



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