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    OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

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    Dont know much about technology...

    I want an ipod or equivalent that I can load music and movies on and then plug little screens into it so the kids can watch movies in the car.

    Does this technology exist and if so what do I need to get?

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Have you tried a portable DVD player for he kids
    And an MP3 player for you

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    yeah, thought of it. Just trying to be lazy/stingy and kill all birds with one stone...seeing as we cant really listen to music at the same time as the kids are watching a movie anyway.

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    I agree with KK, go for a portable DVD player independently of the MP3 player
    We won a raffle of a portable DVD player and have the kids use headphones but because only one screen you get fights about where it should sit and who has control. For ultimate sanity get them one each and a set of headphones each. Or alternatively as i do, tell them to put up with it, make a decision or it goes out the window at high speed ;D

    Nothing like a driving holiday to make you wish you were back at work. ;D

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    I would go portable dvd player and have also son has an Ipod nano but thats about all I know bout it.
    We tell him to use head phones in the car so we can still listen to our music

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    I have found a possible solution
    A portable DVD player with I Pod dock



    Found a few on offer
    This one has all the mod cons such as a remote control, swinging axis screen
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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    So KK how much coffee is that worth

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 2B2734323F24232728460 link=1253447458/6#6 date=1253449844
    So KK how much coffee is tht worth

    $255

    http://www.myshopping.com.au/ZM--552517714_DVD_Players_Recorders

    But other less expensive models are available at JB HiFi

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    As always you are on the ball, nice work.

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Ipods are a bit small (in storage) to be truly useful for movies of any decent resolution.

    Id go for a in-car DVD for the kids and an ipod for the music. My ipod (and iphone) plays through the car stereo and if I had kids (they are both in their 40s now!!!) they would use headphones for the movies.

    BTW--watch out--watching DVDs in a moving car can cause motion sickness!

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Looks pretty good KK; thank you! Do you know the DGTEC brand? Have been stung before buying brands Id not heard of...

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 676B6262616168717770040 link=1253447458/10#10 date=1253450556
    Looks pretty good KK; thank you! *Do you know the DGTEC brand? Have been stung before buying brands Id not heard of...
    No cant help on that
    But the brand is owned by Hills an Australian company

    But I still think that a separate DVD player is better

    Others are available with USB Ports or TV tuners

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A57545A380 link=1253447458/3#3 date=1253448291
    I agree with KK, go for a portable DVD player independently of the MP3 player
    We won a raffle of a portable DVD player and have the kids use headphones but because only one screen you get fights about where it should sit and who has control. For ultimate sanity get them one each and a set of headphones each. Or alternatively as i do, tell them to put up with it, make a decision or it goes out the window at high speed *;D

    Nothing like a driving holiday to make you wish you were back at work. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F4A5D5F6F574A5559545C380 link=1253447458/9#9 date=1253450485
    Ipods are a bit small (in storage) to be truly useful for movies of any decent resolution.

    Id go for a in-car DVD for the kids and an ipod for the music. My ipod (and iphone) plays through the car stereo and if I had kids (they are both in their 40s now!!!) they would use headphones for the movies.

    BTW--watch out--watching DVDs in a moving car can cause motion sickness!

    Greg
    Have an Iphone from work and have had so many people with issues with ipods... DONt fall for the HYPE..

    Ipod / Iphone = Itunes and lack of customisation unless you then jailbreak or hack teh system..... Plenty of other systems at less $$$ that will do the same job..


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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    As a parent of teenagers...this is what we would do if our kids were still little...I would opt for the dvd player option 1 screen/unit per kid...these can be bought for around $100 each and then get the kiddies to use headphones or even those littler earbud thingys... keep the car stereo for yourself but upgrade it to one that accepts aux input so you can plug your own ipod or similar into it...My hubby has a Zen music player and I have the ipod...the zen and others like it eg: the Iriver are much more versatile than the ipod and their screens are often bigger too if you want to watch video on a teeny tiny screen! with an ipod you are stuck with using itunes which is a painful program that doesnt always want to work how you want it too... >:(...The Iriver is much cheaper these days and an excellent alternative and the screen is larger.

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    In my opinion, could hold out for a Zune HD. Then you can watch movies in 720p fashion. :D High resolution goodness for the kids.

    Thats what my inner child would have wanted at 7. Pokemon @ high res on the way to school.

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    Another vote for the DVD option. Maybe something like this:

    http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4ab6c2b80382123a2740c0a87e0106b9/Product/View/G7189

    - Dual screens
    - 12v cigarette lighter adapter
    - Mounting straps to attach units to car headrests (I imagine they could also be used to wrap around your childrens heads to keep their mouths shut if worst comes to worst :P)
    - Remote control

    Relatively cheap too

    Re KKs post above, I had a DGTEC digital set top box. Never had a problem with it in 2+ years I was using it. Only stopped using it because it was standard def and I went to a high def network-capable PVR unit.

    The only reservation Id have with something like that though is that youd be up for 2 x ipods, one for each unit as well. not to mention that if one took an accidental trip out the window youre out a player AND an ipod...... expensive proposition

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    IPod is great as a personal music device. We also use ours as a sound system, or in the car.

    I have used mine for video - but this is actually a bit more trouble that it is worth. Videos work a little better in the US, where iTunes actually contains a lot of TV, which can be downloaded quite cheaply and loaded onto your iPod. To do this yourself, with TV or DVDs which you own, requires a piece of software to convert it all into iPod friendly format - In my opinion, this is a bit of a downfall - and apple doesnt look to be fixing this anytime soon.

    If its for music, its awesome. If its for video, then the suggestions that others have made already, regarding portable DVD devices is probably the thing to go with.

    Goodluck Luwaks!

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Thanks all contributors to this thread. In the end we decided to just throw lots of money at the problem and now have a dual screen dvd for the car and an ipod touch thingie with mini sound system for music. Apparently the ipod touch also does games, email, and makes espresso.

    Cheers

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F535A5A595950494F483C0 link=1253447458/17#17 date=1253882850
    ...and makes espresso.
    Nearly! Ive heard that the barista app isnt too bad!

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    I know its too late for Luwaks who posted this, but for others looking at portable music players:

    If you appreciate good quality music Id recommend stearing clear of the ipod. In my experience it is very poor music quality...and what Apple promotes as high quality MP3s is a complete joke.

    I ended up with a unit from Cowon. Its fairly old now and has been superceded, but is the iaudio x5. It gives a far superior sound quality to the ipods.

    Also am using FLAC files (Free Lossless Audio Codec) for far superior quality files than MP3s. I am really disappointed in the dumbing down of sound quality happening of late due to MP3s and poor quality players.

    Not that this is in anyway portable, but I cant wait to be earning good money again to buy a high end turntable and valve amp - real sound!
    Already have great speakers and CD player, but nothing beats good vinyl.

    Anyway, enough of my rant on good quality sound.

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C5D4A5352555E53453C0 link=1253447458/19#19 date=1254113141
    Not that this is in anyway portable, but I cant wait to be earning good money again to buy a high end turntable and valve amp - real sound!
    Already have great speakers and CD player, but nothing beats good vinyl.

    Anyway, enough of my rant on good quality sound.
    I already have all of the above

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7041564F4E49424F59200 link=1253447458/19#19 date=1254113141
    If you appreciate good quality music Id recommend stearing clear of the ipod. In my experience it is very poor music quality...and what Apple promotes as high quality MP3s is a complete joke.

    Also am using FLAC files (Free Lossless Audio Codec) for far superior quality files than MP3s. I am really disappointed in the dumbing down of sound quality happening of late due to MP3s and poor quality players.

    Not that this is in anyway portable, but I cant wait to be earning good money again to buy a high end turntable and valve amp - real sound!
    Already have great speakers and CD player, but nothing beats good vinyl.
    :o :-? :-? :-? :-? :o

    What?
    Without a doubt Mp3 would beat a vinyl record for hi fi. Let alone putting the signal through a valve. They use valves in guitar amps to create distortion. They are great for that.

    Back on to portability, can you really hear the difference in a car any way? If your Mp3s are 320 kb Id doubt it.
    In fact if you have a good home system I dont think you could pick it, even side by side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 494A58585C4A522B0 link=1253447458/21#21 date=1254116304
    Quote Originally Posted by 7041564F4E49424F59200 link=1253447458/19#19 date=1254113141
    If you appreciate good quality music Id recommend stearing clear of the ipod. In my experience it is very poor music quality...and what Apple promotes as high quality MP3s is a complete joke.

    Also am using FLAC files (Free Lossless Audio Codec) for far superior quality files than MP3s. I am really disappointed in the dumbing down of sound quality happening of late due to MP3s and poor quality players.

    Not that this is in anyway portable, but I cant wait to be earning good money again to buy a high end turntable and valve amp - real sound!
    Already have great speakers and CD player, but nothing beats good vinyl.
    :o :-? :-? :-? :-? :o

    What?
    Without a doubt Mp3 would beat a vinyl record for hi fi. Let alone putting the signal through a valve. They use valves in guitar amps to create distortion. They are great for that.

    Back on to portability, can you really hear the difference in a car any way? If your Mp3s are 320 kb Id doubt it.
    In fact if you have a good home system I dont think you could pick it, even side by side.
    If that is what you want, then you drive them in to their non liner response range...

    They are very good and one of the best at rejecting noise and unwanted interference - Medical and Defence still use for very good reasons...

    A 16Kg platter with a first cut vinal and a good Valve amp will out perform any of ya modern crap.. Hands down..

    But then again like many things, including BETA tapes and 8 track cassette systems.. Only those with knowledge and experience on our side, will ever understand.. The youth of today only know what is on Twitter :D ;) :( :o 8-) :-? ::) :-[ :P :-X :-/ :-* :(


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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 3203140D0C0B000D1B620 link=1253447458/19#19 date=1254113141
    Also am using FLAC files (Free Lossless Audio Codec) for far superior quality files than MP3s. I am really disappointed in the dumbing down of sound quality happening of late due to MP3s and poor quality players. *
    MP3 and other compressed (lossy) formats have served us well. Without these guys attempting to change the way that we listen to and stream music/video, we wouldnt even have cool gadgets like iPods or FLAC codecs.

    I have heard that once you FLAC you dont go back. For Audiophiles, I am sure that something like the iTunes store which to date, only offers mp4 equivalent encoding is a bit of a downside.

    mp3HD is coming out soon, which utilizes a similar kind of lossless compression algorithm to FLAC. I have no doubt that Apple will go down the open standard/lossless road soon. They dropped DRM didnt they? Give them some credit.

    Regardless - just because iTunes Store doesnt offer your particular flavor of lossless audio does not mean that iTunes application doesnt. ALAC (Apple Lossless) can be used to rip your music, and is quite good. Its proprietary (so Sonos or other systems might hate it) but its still quite good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 18373E3C2B143837383E3C343C372D590 link=1253447458/22#22 date=1254117885
    If that is what you want, then you drive them in to their non liner response range...

    They are very good and one of the best at rejecting noise and unwanted interference - Medical and Defence still use for very good reasons... *

    A 16Kg platter with a first cut vinal and a good Valve amp will out perform any of ya modern crap.. Hands down..

    But then again like many things, including BETA tapes and 8 track cassette systems.. Only those with knowledge and experience on our side, will ever understand.. The youth of today only know what is on Twitter * :D ;) :( :o 8-) :-? ::) :-[ :P :-X :-/ :-* * *:(


    giggled like a schoolgirl.. Cement pill time... For some one *;D
    giggled like a schoolgirl

    I have a valve preamp on my bass amp. Why? Makes the tone nice, smooth, warm and fuzzy (note: DISTORTION). All with in the so called "linear" response range.

    My dad is an electronic engineer. One of his hobbies is hi fi and more specifically hi fi amps. His speakers where valued at $20,000 eight years ago. The reason for these speakers was to be able to hear the difference between his models of amps. He got to the point where he needed to match the FETs to get any better.
    One of his early amps was put up against a $6000 reference amp, it kick its butt. The later ones where getting into the Krell arena.

    I have heard this "valve" thing before. People rant and rave about it. You go and listen to their very expensive amp and it doesnt live up to a $200 trannie amp. Sounds like someone putting a rug over the speakers.
    Passages of music, instruments that can quite clearly be heard on a solid state just arent there with a valve.

    As for vinyl well....
    Cant be bothered. If you really think that a vinyl can beat a CD for Hi Fi then you are either deaf or in lala land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 52514343475149300 link=1253447458/24#24 date=1254119996
    As for vinyl well....
    Cant be bothered. If you really think that a vinyl can beat a CD for Hi Fi then you are either deaf or in lala land.
    Well, you give yourself up here bassway! Have you ever listened to good vinyl? That is, first press on a high end turntable. CDs are a million miles from this.

    Have you not seen the disclaimer on a lot of CDs that this recording is limited and cannot achieve the full dimension of analog...etc.etc. (those companies willing to tell the truth that is and not just market "this is the best" crap that marketers do.)

    As per amp, well I actually want both so wont try to argue either way here. But will second AM when he says:

    Quote Originally Posted by 715E5755427D515E5157555D555E44300 link=1253447458/22#22 date=1254117885
    A 16Kg platter with a first cut vinal and a good Valve amp will out perform any of ya modern crap.. Hands down..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B6A7D6465626964720B0 link=1253447458/25#25 date=1254126557
    Well, you give yourself up here bassway! Have you ever listened to good vinyl? That is, first press on a high end turntable. CDs are a million miles from this.
    Sure have.

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    I can quite readily pick the difference between a lossless digital format and any of the compressed versions on my living room system--although 320 kbps is fine for the car.

    Apple Lossless is what I use routinely now inside the house, and stream my digital via an Airport to my DAC/amps/speakers.

    And as much as I like the convenience and cost of the digital source and my iPhone Remote app running iTunes, vinyl is more musical and involving for me, despite having more inherent noise.

    Ive heard some great valve amps, but do prefer my ME 15/850 combo for its bass performance.

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    I am an Electronics Eng and there are real ones and good ones and many that ... Well enough said...

    $20K for a set of speakers.. *Cheep... Try many times that for one, and have to be custom shipped from Sweden.. Also have to have the house built around the 4 of them...

    Mine is bigger than your... Take a cement pill... *;D

    Besides once ya over about 16 - 18 (in the old days) about 14 to day...Ya hearing is all stuffed and in particular at the higher end... *

    By the time I reached 30 I could no longer service Amps and coms equipment, as I could not hear the frequencies.. To day, every one has a cro... Back then we did it the hard way....

    Thus ya can talk all ya want as to what ya can and cantt hear but the facts are *facts. *The *biomedical equipment that we work on and tune; *to look after patients with hearing loss etc.. *Is a little sensitive to say the least and it is always a laugh; *when the audiophiles come in and try to show off... And then they try to cover up... *Cause they are as good as deaf and can not fool the equipment... Drinking buddies and the local WOW sales person... But not the equipment.... !!!! But they still try raving about their sound systems etc..

    I am also a sound guy for a band.. So bash on all ya like.. *But I cant hear ya any more... * :( **Thats *why we use test equipment and then work out where to point the sound, so that the bodies suck it up... They the punters, have a perception as to what they hear; but most of it is smoke and good sound tecs... *;D

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    Guys.... For heavens sake just go out to the concert hall , or the club or the arena and be a part of the action. Music is an artistic and aesthetic medium for comunication that is as tactile and real as the vibrations that carry it. Be a part of the real experience because my stereo is better than all of yas! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24342332327475767E7175460 link=1253447458/29#29 date=1254139146
    Guys.... For heavens sake just go out to the concert hall , or the club or the arena and be a part of the action. Music is an artistic and aesthetic medium for comunication that is as tactile and real as the vibrations that carry it. *Be a part of the real experience because my stereo is better than all of yas! ;D
    Ya.. Have to agree... *One with out the other, is a waste.............

    But need coffee first... Nothing like falling asleep during Rodger Waterss tour last year.. *What pink Pig... Who spilt water on my seat ?.. Oops, cheep Incontinence Panties and those blue pills ant what I thought they were..... *

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    Quote Originally Posted by 48676E6C7B446867686E6C646C677D090 link=1253447458/28#28 date=1254133786
    Drinking buddies and the local WOW sales person... But not the equipment.... !!!! But they still try raving about their sound systems etc..
    I hate it when they say these speakers a rated at 1000w and are the best of the best (cr!p)

    Its the sensitivity of the speaker that counts and gives it clarity allowing one to hear everything that was mixed in the CD/Record

    Mixed badly and you will regret putting it on to play*

    Full range speakers like Lowther with sensitivity of over 100 db is best for tube amps
    My Lowthers are rated @ 106db in the current cabinets

    The Lowthers (7 of them) are rated at 100w max but will be quite happy with 1/2 to 1w
    I built them as a 7.1 surround sound for the movies
    And I use the 2 channel Tube amp for music Vinyl on the Garrard 404 Turntable
    (AM I am going to make a new plinth with that rubberised cork)

    The Amp was built for me a tweaker design all silver wire & connections and it can use 3 different tubes for different styles of music

    I believe speakers need to be 92db to be classed as Hi-Fi speakers

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    AM are you taking the piss or are you serious? :-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4B485A5A5E4850290 link=1253447458/32#32 date=1254178988
    AM are you taking the piss or are you serious? :-?
    As to what section / comment ? ( I also appreciate your up front question... Rather than taking offence as it was not meant as such, but could be tasked as such)

    I guess a Bit of both... But not directed at any one in particular... *They are generalised comments biased on my extensive experience in Electronics / Coms / Health and Band support etc.. *

    I just have an issues with some who might promote urban myths... At the expense of TRUTH.

    As to concerts - Well the truth can be stranger than any fiction and I will leave it at that...

    One of the houses we worked on was actually the speaker box and while it was some years ago... It made all *the Sound / Speaker and Audio book and mags of the time.. *Costs lots of $$$ and while the performance was impressive... *The owner was over the top... But infact could not hear that well.... *It was the physical vibrations and air movement that assisted and also allowed his sensors, to be tricked into thinking he was hearing notes and frequencies..

    First cut vinals... *Many think they have heard, but most have not...

    Performance of teh human ear... Common knowledge and if you want to get into the finer details of how the brain deals with the sound waves and what is behind the cochlear implant and other brain implants etc etc.. *The that is for further discussions out side of the forums.. Have work with a few involved and further research being done right now as the next step; But it is for Sight... *Interesting work..... And much is still a little hush hush..

    At the end of teh day... *Many read with their emotions rather than looking at the facts..

    On that note: * 3 interesting comments that are relevant in many things today; but take another look and note the dates...

    There are some that only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts. - Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

    If the people who make the decisions are the people who will also bear the consequences of those decisions, perhaps better decisions will result. - John Abrams

    A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation. - Saki/Hector Hugh Munro (1870 - 1916)


    And is that last one; not 100% true.. *But then, the 1% who need the detail get involved and it goes to sh!t..

    Bugger.... Back OT.

    iPods and iPhones... *Great marketing... * BETA Vs VHS

    Lets just hope the better product wins out this time... And not the hype..




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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    whats better than Ipod?

    all / some / most / ??? of all your music in one device, take it anywhere (well nearly), make great play lists of your music, never have t worry about CDs etc.

    i want them to combine something like a 100 gig iphone and a PSP




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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C434A485F604C434C4A48404843592D0 link=1253447458/33#33 date=1254184333
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B485A5A5E4850290 link=1253447458/32#32 date=1254178988
    AM are you taking the piss or are you serious? :-?
    As to what section / comment ? ( I also appreciate your up front question... Rather than taking offence as it was not meant as such, but could be tasked as such)
    About the valve amp/vinyl being "better" than CD/Solid state.

    I dont get how anyone with an electronics background and or a general understanding of how stuff works/is made (which you have previously displayed) could make a statement like that.

    When I am referring to "better" I mean high fidelity. Not "sounds better" or should I say sounds "nicer".
    I am yet to hear a valve amp that doesnt colour the sound. Yet to hear a vinyl that doesnt colour the sound.
    This isnt to say that all solid state amps are better than all valve amps. Or to say that SS amps don’t colour the sound. Obviously one of the reasons for a solid state is cost. If this is a primary driving factor in manufacturing of it then quality and sound quality could suffer.
    No to mention a lot of recordings just suck.

    Maybe you are right, maybe I am emotional about it. Playing an instrument you have the sound of that instrument in your head. Play in a band and you know what certain instruments sound like. Playing a bass you hear how the drummer hits the cymbal, whether he hits it hard/soft, strikes through, strikes sideways then how that is played against the snare, whether hit hard/soft/rimshot/middle/edge how that is played against the bass drum, how the guitarist is hitting the strings, the singer hitting their notes etc will determine how I play and create a bass line. Even the room will change the way I play. This makes one very aware of what certain instruments should sound like.

    Then I hear someone rabbit on about their super expensive valve amp, its a class A, the valve is biased in this certain way, blah, blah. Turns it on, wait for the warm up, start playing. What comes out sounds wrong. Muddy, soft, the bottom is flabby, the high end isnt there. More important is that it sounds wrong. Not just that it is has stuff added. A voice, trumpet, drums and especially strings are just wrong. I find this really offensive to my ear. I guess the best way to describe it is if I said that I bought some Esmeralda beans, roasted them to perfection, claimed I put them through a Robur then a La Mazocco, then proceeded to hand you a cup of Caro. To me that would be an equivalent. The Caro "might" be nice but it isn’t a better coffee.

    This makes me angry. Probably makes me find evidence or say things to back up that emotion.
    Same when Apple doesn’t allow you to transfer files off an iPod without hacking. This makes me angry. How dare they? They are MY files. Therefore I would make statements like “iPods are crap” or “iPods and iPhones... *Great marketing... * BETA Vs VHS
    Lets just hope the better product wins out this time... And not the hype..”
    One of many things we would agree on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4645575753455D240 link=1253447458/35#35 date=1254198019
    I am yet to hear a valve amp that doesnt colour the sound. Yet to hear a vinyl that doesnt colour the sound.
    This isnt to say that all solid state amps are better than all valve amps. Or to say that SS amps don’t colour the sound. Obviously one of the reasons for a solid state is cost. If this is a primary driving factor in manufacturing of it then quality and sound quality could suffer.
    I find that what colours the sound more is the Phono Cartridge & stylus

    As I mentioned above only highly sensitive speakers are suitable for Tube Amps

    I like both Vinyl & CD I also have Tube & Solid state amps

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F7C6E6E6A7C641D0 link=1253447458/35#35 date=1254198019
    Quote Originally Posted by 6C434A485F604C434C4A48404843592D0 link=1253447458/33#33 date=1254184333
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B485A5A5E4850290 link=1253447458/32#32 date=1254178988
    AM are you taking the piss or are you serious? :-?
    As to what section / comment ? ( I also appreciate your up front question... Rather than taking offence as it was not meant as such, but could be tasked as such)
    About the valve amp/vinyl being "better" than CD/Solid state.

    I dont get how anyone with an electronics background and or a general understanding of how stuff works/is made (which you have previously displayed) could make a statement like that.

    When I am referring to "better" I mean high fidelity. Not "sounds better" or should I say sounds "nicer".
    I am yet to hear a valve amp that doesnt colour the sound. Yet to hear a vinyl that doesnt colour the sound.
    This isnt to say that all solid state amps are better than all valve amps. Or to say that SS amps don’t colour the sound. Obviously one of the reasons for a solid state is cost. If this is a primary driving factor in manufacturing of it then quality and sound quality could suffer.
    No to mention a lot of recordings just suck.

    Maybe you are right, maybe I am emotional about it. Playing an instrument you have the sound of that instrument in your head. Play in a band and you know what certain instruments sound like. Playing a bass you hear how the drummer hits the cymbal, whether he hits it hard/soft, strikes through, strikes sideways then how that is played against the snare, whether hit hard/soft/rimshot/middle/edge how that is played against the bass drum, how the guitarist is hitting the strings, the singer hitting their notes etc will determine how I play and create a bass line. Even the room will change the way I play. This makes one very aware of what certain instruments should sound like.

    Then I hear someone rabbit on about their super expensive valve amp, its a class A, the valve is biased in this certain way, blah, blah. Turns it on, wait for the warm up, start playing. What comes out sounds wrong. Muddy, soft, the bottom is flabby, the high end isnt there. More important is that it sounds wrong. Not just that it is has stuff added. A voice, trumpet, drums and especially strings are just wrong. I find this really offensive to my ear. I guess the best way to describe it is if I said that I bought some Esmeralda beans, roasted them to perfection, claimed I put them through a Robur then a La Mazocco, then proceeded to hand you a cup of Caro. To me that would be an equivalent. The Caro "might" be nice but it isn’t a better coffee.

    This makes me angry. Probably makes me find evidence or say things to back up that emotion.
    Same when Apple doesn’t allow you to transfer files off an iPod without hacking. This makes me angry. How dare they? They are MY files. Therefore I would make statements like “iPods are crap” or “iPods and iPhones... *Great marketing... * BETA Vs VHS
    Lets just hope the better product wins out this time... And not the hype..”
    One of many things we would agree on.
    I like your response and open focus... *Yep, the issue of Like Vs Like is not always so straight forward as most of us have our own biases.. *

    Which colour what we see and hear *or believe we should be seeing / hearing *;)

    Same as coffee, home roasting, cars, partners and bikes etc etc... *8-)

    But as a working tool the iPhone / iPod is crippled and over rated..... *

    In fact, I am not too sure what it has over any of the opposition in functionality; other than min functionality unless excessive apps are installed ($$$) and or jailbroken...



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    Easy solution to the sound thing... go completely acoustic (especially vocals) and then start to play with the anomalies of the performance space. In this country, our major Concert Halls and Theatres are largely dead and very hard work for orchestral, opera, oratorio, dramatic theatre etc. Every musical experience you have will be coloured not just by the equipment you audition it with, but by your mood, surrounds, physical environment la la la etc... This experience is completely subjective and defies rights and wrongs, just shades of colour and masses of opinion. So with all of this rhetoric and evidence of subjective consumers and producers of music, how the hell did Spice Girls happen? Because with all of our learned experience and thoughtful consideration of sound as an artform, the massed consumerist market demanded something to entertain their teenage daughters and keep them out of their hair! Next step... include the sons and you have a bloody good reason for the iPods success.

    We who argue over fidelity of temperature stability at group head to produce nuances of flavours that please our individual palates should know better than to expect personally pleasing auditory resonance (not sound) from a mass marketed and produced musical reproducer.

    Now... dont get me started on Andre Rieu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 38283F2E2E68696A626D695A0 link=1253447458/38#38 date=1254204666
    Easy solution to the sound thing... go completely acoustic (especially vocals) and then start to play with the anomalies of the performance space. *In this country, our major Concert Halls and Theatres are largely dead and very hard work for orchestral, opera, oratorio, dramatic theatre etc. *Every musical experience you have will be coloured not just by the equipment you audition it with, but by your mood, surrounds, physical environment la la la etc... This experience is completely subjective and defies rights and wrongs, just shades of colour and masses of opinion. *So with all of this rhetoric and evidence of subjective consumers and producers of music, how the hell did Spice Girls happen? *Because with all of our learned experience and thoughtful consideration of sound as an artform, the massed consumerist market demanded something to entertain their teenage daughters and keep them out of their hair! *Next step... include the sons and you have a bloody good reason for the iPods success.

    We who argue over fidelity of temperature stability at group head to produce nuances of flavours that please our individual palates should know better than to expect personally pleasing auditory resonance (not sound) from a mass marketed and produced musical reproducer. *

    Now... dont get me started on Andre Rieu...
    Love it :-*

    Want to come and use some of my Gramophones.. Ya will need to bring ya own needles as have not got too many left.. Also pillows to stuff in the frame to mod teh sound to your liking and a big 3 wheeled trolley and you have portable :-)

    About a 1000 78s for you to amuse ya self on :-X

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    Re: OK Techno geeks...tell me about ipods

    Stop it you are killing me
    I draw analogies to our espresso machines

    Boiler technology is over one hundred years old
    We use & recommend lever machines over super automatic

    Why is that

    You can make up your own mind

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