<<<<<<<< decaf WOW...best decaf there is without a doubt...Originally Posted by 3F292A283F29293F3E05332905383F292E5A0 link=1254996023/0#0 date=1254996023
Unfortunately my love for coffee has betrayed me :(. It appears that for myself 4-5 cups of espresso a day is too much. I started having palpitations and feeling very unwell and lethargic which is no good in the middle of summer working outdoors. It started about october last year and I had all sorts of tests done including ECGs, ultrasounds, stress tests and a holter monitor but unfortunately I never had "an episode",as they call it, during the tests so the doctors couldnt pick it up. I ran my own tests and it seems that Ive developed a sensitivity to caffeine cause when I didnt drink coffee for a few days, the symptoms would stop and when I got back on it, itd happen again. So unfortunately I had to try decaf. Yep not the greatest thing in the world but it still tastes slightly better than instant... just. Ive done some blending of a few different types and have tried all sorts and have finally discovered some decaf that tastes pretty close to the real thing (even my mates who are snobs agree).
But the good news is I can finally drink a few cups of real coffee *;D every week now and Im loving it. Anyway just thought Id share my experience with you and see whether anyone else has had a similar experience and if so, did you find out what the problem was? Docs keep telling me Im not in any danger and that my heart is actually quite healthy but Id be interested to hear of your experiences all the same.
Thats my rave, cheers, Mike.
<<<<<<<< decaf WOW...best decaf there is without a doubt...Originally Posted by 3F292A283F29293F3E05332905383F292E5A0 link=1254996023/0#0 date=1254996023
I think I recall someone suggesting blending Decaf WOW with another bean from the snobbery to create a low-caf blend as well?
Ive been pretty impressed with Decaf WOW, and if the Mocha Java decaf ever reappears Ill be stocking up as that was brilliant too. Also blended half decaf WOW with half Ethiopian Gambella Naturals for a half-caf, and that tasted like a bit of a winner. granted I probably dont have the best palate, but I cant see how these decafs dont at least equal the majority of coffee out there.
This topic is very interesting to me as the Missus suffers from AF now and then. She has been hooked up to an ECG when actually in AF and she knows the feeling of an AF session when they occur. Not good but sadly as some folks get older they are more are susceptible to such. And yes she can certainly vouch for her over indulgence of coffee starting an AF. Decaff is o.k :) and does not cause the problem. But with caffeine she must her limit herself to 2 cups over a day.
Her worst AF session was on our coffee capers in South Island of N.Z. last January. Such fun...She will never forget her stay in Timaru and the beating that occured after her "enjoyable" binge on caffeine that day.
So it is WOW or Mocha Java decaff at night for us and they are great.
So with caffeine vs decaff coffee in mind we do a lot of reading about coffee and AF etc. Colins Binns Professor of Public Health , School of Public Health at Curtin University Perth recently wrote in an article titled "Should Nutrtiontists Recommend Tea or Coffee?" that "a recent review of epidemological studies concluded that no clear association between coffee and the risk of hypertension, myocardial infarction or other cardivascular disease can be demonstrated. In considering guidelines for tea and coffee consumption a maximum intake of caffeine of 400 mg per day is recommended and not associated with any adverse effects. This is equivalent to approximately 4-5 cups of coffee or 13 cups of tea per day". Enjoy in moderation if needs be. ;D
not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but for those without sensitivity to caffiene we can see how much it would take to kill us :o Probably less for the OP...
phwoar makes me think I should slow down a bit =P I think on a bender I could take 140+ shots of espresso.. mm..
Seen that Futurama episode where Fry drinks 100 coffees? Bwaha..
Just remember; DE Caff is not Caffeine free :o
Many things have caffeine in them and some people just dont get it... My wife works (if ya could call it that) in a cardiac centre and does all the stress tests etc..
Note: Every thing in moderation......
For many tests they require you to stop ingesting caffeine for at least 24 hr prior to the test.. SO many people get turned away because that had DeCaff or any number of drinks and food (often sweets) that contain caffeine.... As they can get it in their head that a DeCaff is only that - LOW doses and not FREE of the drug. Also some are not as low as others...
Many also point at this great drug and say it causes xxxx when some times it is not the caffeine but other chemicals etc...
One person cam in and they were doing it bad with the withdrawals... Their comment was NO cant drink coffee the caffeine in it gives me AF.. However they were also heavy tea and coke drinkers, with teh odd V.. DOH..
A trigger in the coffee maybe.. But I doubt the caffeine - IN THIS CASE...
People will often say they can not drink espresso but happy to have heaps of instant ???
Thus I think the topic is interesting... But many forget coffee is not coffee and neither is the level of Caffeine... Thus I would lofe to be able to quickly test the levels in my shots as I recon that at times it would be not much higher than some of teh DeCaff that gets around.
Ill have to check out this Decaf WOW you speak of! Herbie, interesting facts... if only it were true for all of us. As I said before, I used to drink that amount but now there is no way I could do it. Even though the doctors couldnt pick up anything on the monitors, I believe I suffer from AF as well. Ive done plenty of research on it and there is a history of it in my family so theres a fair chance its what Im experiencing. A friend of mine also suffers from it but coffee doesnt set his off for some reason BUT he does drink Australian coffee which I believe has a lower caffeine content. Ive searched for info on Aussie coffee caffeine percentages but have so far been unsuccessful. I did however stumble across a website that said Scientists have genetically engineered a coffee plant to grow without ANY caffeine at all which would be great because as we all know its the process of extracting the caffeine is what ruins the flavour.
Anyway cheers all for your input, Mike.
If you are sensitive to caffeine overdose I have one word for you--RISTRETTO.
More flavour, less caffeine.
(Of course a second word would be moderation. But be moderate in that. ;D)
I agree in Full Greg..Originally Posted by 192C3B3909312C333F323A5E0 link=1254996023/9#9 date=1255091030
Thus the reason that I use a large basket, run a double but pull short...
Great coffee, less caffeine and as an additional plus; it means I can have more :-) *
(In moderation of course not like Java "I have no will power" Phile.....)
Ok thanks guys. I never knew that, I mean I know a ristretto shot has more flavour but I didnt know it had less caffeine. I was under the impression that the longer the water was in the coffee for then the more caffeine came out of it? Ive read that plunger coffee has almost twice the amount as espresso. Is this true or am I on the wrong track? Ill give it a go, thanks.
Originally Posted by 0412111304121204053E08123E03041215610 link=1254996023/11#11 date=1255306322
And no. 1 helps explain why a short ristretto (which has a very short contact time with the water) is lower in caffeine than a basic espresso.
Fred, I know where you are coming from. If I had 4 coffees a day I would have AF also. (have done in the past) One does build a degree of tolerance over time for some substances but it is all about Individual subsceptibilities. Factors like body mass are also relevant. What is fine for you may be too much for me. The key is to find what works for you. I would like to have a few espressos a day but I know the result will be unpleasant and not worth the initial pleasure, so I have one when I will most enjoy it and look forward to the next one.
I believe I have built some tolerance over the last couple of years so there IS some light on the horizon. I should add that I find the symptoms more unpleasant if I am not well hydrated and have something in my stomach.
Find myself in the same boat from time to time depending on level of over indulgence. I was monitored as well, but in my case the palpitations were in fact muscle spasms darting across the chest in reaction to very high acidity levels / heartburn, etc.
Diet, sleep, stress, newborn(s), 8 dbl shots a day, all mixed together did it for me. Hopefully, its the same thing for you, if it is....easy peazy...I now keep the coffee down to around 3 a day and when things flare up again, I use over the counter tabs for a week or two....then Im back in the game!
Being a sufferer of Acidosis and its symptoms, Ive found this article to be very helpful:
If I have foods that promote alkalinity with my coffee (before being preferable as I want to have that lingering coffee taste) .. my symptoms are very much reduced.
edit .. another reason to consume Watermelon:
Watermelon Found to Function as Natural Viagra
by David Gutierrez
(NaturalNews) New research suggests that watermelon may produce effects in the body similar to that of Viagra, perhaps pointing the way to a natural remedy for men suffering from erectile dysfunction, says Bhimu Patil of Texas A&M University.
Research conducted by Patil and others has recently revealed that the flesh of watermelon contains higher levels of the amino acid citrulline than researchers had thought. Until then, most of the citrulline was believed to reside in the inedible rind of the fruit.
"We have known that watermelon has citrulline," Patil said, "[but] watermelon has more citrulline in the edible part than previously believed."
This is significant because the body converts citrulline into arginine, another amino acid that functions as a precursor to nitric oxide. Nitric oxide, in turn, plays a critical role in the dilation of blood vessels and the process of penile erection.
The drug Viagra functions primarily by targeting the nitric oxide signaling pathway in the penis.
Patil hopes that other researchers will begin to directly study watermelons effects on erection. But some are skeptical.
Just because nitric oxide is required for an erection, "that doesnt mean eating something that is rich in citrulline will make enough arginine that it will lead to better penile erections," said Irwin Goldstein, editor-in-chief of The Journal of Sexual Medicine and a former consultant for companies that make erectile dysfunction drugs.
"The vast majority of Americans produce enough arginine," he said. "Men with erectile dysfunction are not deficient in arginine."
Patil acknowledges that he doesnt know how much watermelon a man would need to eat to have an effect. Knowing that a four-ounce serving of watermelon contains approximately 150 milligrams of citrulline does not tell researchers what effects that much citrulline will have in the body, he said.
He did note that in a 2007 study, participants were able to increase their arginine levels 11 percent in three weeks by drinking three eight-ounce glasses of watermelon juice per day.
Sources for this story include: www.cbsnews.com
Interesting reading guys. I now drink or consume all caffeinated products in moderation. I used to drink coke by itself... now its only with bourbon *;D and I rarely drink it anyway so I can get away with a small amount of that. I think that stress levels may play a part in it too, not that Im a highly strung person, actually quite the opposite, but when it first started I was about to move house and selling a car etc. As previously mentioned I have found a few decaff coffees that are actually quite nice and thanks to you guys I have added another one, WOW decaff. I ordered some the other day and it arrived yesterday so it went into the roaster today and I just tried a cup and it is pretty good! Roasting needs to be perfected but otherwise Im quite happy. ( Does anyone else find that decaff is better straight out of the roaster and it doesnt last for roasted for more than four or five days?) I am happy to drink decaff through the week and then on the weekend I can have a few cups of real stuff and Im usually ok :). I have been experimenting with the RISTRETTO pour the past few days and it really is tastier! (thank you Greg and AM) Ill be hitting a few up on the weekend no doubt.
Cheers People for all your feedback, its interesting reading about your experiences and experimenting with your suggestions to see if it works for me or not. And it is nice to know Im not the only one who has to cut back on the liquid gold.
Hi thereOriginally Posted by 594F4C4E594F4F595863554F635E594F483C0 link=1254996023/16#16 date=1255599820
Not aware of this, i regularly roast decaff for work and as long as its bagged and sealed correctly then it is fine after 14 days. Our only issue is that someone dumps the whole 500gm bag into the hopper sometimes.
Mike, I think you are right about the stress/anxiety reaction being amplified by caffein. I had a prolonged stressful time at work some years ago and I eventually realised that the caffein was exacerbating the usual stress symptoms. I actually gave up coffee for a couple of years and drank camomille tea instead. (Its so good to be back on the coffee!)
Just my second crack...
YES Australian coffee is lower in caffeine due to less natural pests. As you may know, caffeine is the coffee plants natural pestacide. So less natural pests = less natural pestacide.
ALTERNATIVE: A Brazilian company by the name of Detera have recently started selling a low caffeine single origin bean. Sorry i cant remember the bean code but it is now for retail sale and contains roughly half the caffeine than there normal beans.
The plus with this bean is it has not been through science that this been now exists but through cross breeding of different strains...totally natural and no chemical or swiss water processes to take away any natural flavors the bean has...just pure coffee with half the caffeine!
Wow thanks Luke thats worth checking out.
Yeay for Decaff!
I have, generally speaking 1 caff and 1 Decaf a day from my home setup, a couple of months ago i had a splitting headache, didnt put 2 and 2 together, drank tonnes of water etc etc with no luck, then had a coffee......whallarr, headache gone, experimented a bit over the next few weeks.......no coffee equalled headache, so i weened myself down to one cup a day of caff and a decaf at night, all good now if i miss my morn cup o joe!
PS: Decaf rocks, for so many reasons, here are the biggest two for me,
1. you can roast it, cool it, grind it, pour it, and drink, all in under 30 mins!
2.It tastes amazing straight from the roaster, no real degas time, my experience has shown that they peak at about the 1 hour mark and get worse from there, perfect if you run out of fresh roasted and have unexpected guests!, like last night for me! :o
Yeah couldnt agree more WSully, its best straight out of the roaster and after about 5 days its best in the bin. Ive been put onto a new decaff by a guy who roasts commercially and its by far the best Ive had (big ups Mark). Mexican mountain water processed is what its called and it really is pretty good. I gave it to some friends who came over for a coffee the other day and they didnt even know it was decaff until I told them it was. It still doesnt taste as good black or as a straight espresso as real coffee does but its better than anything else Ive tried.
InterestingOriginally Posted by 7066656770666670714A7C664A77706661150 link=1254996023/23#23 date=1264459003
I have been meaning to roast some Decaf but havent done so thus far
I went in to order a set of grinder burrs at Barazi
and noticed that they have some Colombian Mountain Water Decaf greens
Now I am tempted to give them a go
Do it for sure KK. I know the beans I get are processed in mexico (hence the name) but Im not actually sure if they are grown in mexico or not? Either way they taste bloody great. If the colombian ones are not all that great then try get your hands on some of these or drop me a line and I might be able to organize some for you. Either way, enjoy :)
I had started getting palpitations and even chest pains before. I stopped drinking coffee after a while. Then I needed to drink coffee again because its the only way I could deal with my workload at the office. But when I got back to my coffee habit, I am thankful that the palpitations didnt return. Its been over two years since.
Just to take a different approach:
Studies of this type tend to be contradicted by new studies and so on ;)
Conventional wisdom says coffee is a problem for heart arrhythmia, but it would be nice to think it wasnt.
Very interesting read. Thanks for sharing, Rusty.Originally Posted by 4C6B6D6A671E0 link=1254996023/27#27 date=1269999876