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    Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

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    Interesting story on Four Corners this week on cocoa some growing areas and their use of child labour. Sad stuff....

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2885745.htm

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by 51545E3B0 link=1272981712/0#0 date=1272981712
    Interesting story on Four Corners this week on cocoa some growing areas and their use of child labour. *Sad stuff....

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2885745.htm
    I watched the program last night
    The problem is not just the farmers
    Fathers & other family members sell the kids
    Sad state of affairs for sure

    On a positive note the fair trade farms that are actually checked & some companies are better than others at this. Once farms are reported for using child labour they are banned or suspended
    I did hear a comment that some child labour is allowed in certain countries if the child also goes to school *

    Its a hard cycle to break because kids in Africa actually start to work from the time they can walk (I mean for the family unit)

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by 06222B2B28281206223E20224D0 link=1272981712/1#1 date=1273017958
    Its a hard cycle to break because kids in Africa actually start to work from the time they can walk (I mean for the family unit)

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    There is a line in teh sand for me..

    1: Can the family unit eat, live and support the child (either sex) with schooling OR

    2: Is it purely subsistence living where by if every one is not bringing in something; the family unit suffers. Then children working may be a necessary evil.

    While point 2 is not good... The circumstances can be attributed to many issues and these may be outside of their control (War etc) ....

    As always, where it is about greed; then the line in the sand can be redrawn. But until one has had to survive in these conditions and understand that it is NOT the choice that many parents want to make..

    Then: One needs to be careful before judging.

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by 012E2725320D212E2127252D252E34400 link=1272981712/2#2 date=1273018645
    As always, where it is about greed; then the line in the sand can be redrawn.But until one has had to survive in these conditions and understand that it is NOT the choice that many parents want to make..
    Its the greed part I draw the line in the sand as well

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4F464645457F6B4F534D4F200 link=1272981712/1#1 date=1273017958
    I did hear a comment that some child labour is allowed in certain countries if the child also goes to school
    I havent had a chance to view the footage, though your quote is an example of one large distinction between child labour and slavery.

    Summer holidays in the USA came about as children helped reap the crops and werent showing up to school. And here in Australia, all you need to do is travel out to a farming district during harvest time and youll see children working alongside their parents.

    My son, though an adult, helps in the shop every Saturday, and Im pretty sure even Andys children enjoy helping out. Its what families do.

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    "Child labour" (as described by Dennis) is necessary to help teach kids a work ethic, without it kids are launched on the world as an "adult" who expect everything to be done for them. Gross generalisation I know but I think helping on the farm from when I could walk has helped me.

    Very different from kids being sold in the third world and anything we can do to stop it is a good thing but as AM said you do need to be careful in determining what child labour is.

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Ditto for me...

    Loved helping Mum, Dad and the rest of the clan on Dads family property years ago, pretty well from the moment I could walk too. A lot of the time though, I think Dad would rather that I didnt want to help, you know, "I didnt mean to turn on the tap and forget about it Dad, it just happened." ;D

    The thing that really rubbed me the wrong way though, are those yobs sitting back in New York or where ever in their ivory castles, moving enormous quantities of cocoa just to push the price up and make money - millions in one day according to the guy they interviewed. Its a proportion of this money that needs to go back to the people on the ground in Ghana and Ivory Coast, not raising the initial farm gate price by a pittance....

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    Re: Cocoa and labour practices in Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C51555954380 link=1272981712/6#6 date=1273045442
    Ditto for me...

    Loved helping Mum, Dad and the rest of the clan on Dads family property years ago, pretty well from the moment I could walk too. A lot of the time though, I think Dad would rather that I didnt want to help, you know, "I didnt mean to turn on the tap and forget about it Dad, it just happened." ;D

    The thing that really rubbed me the wrong way though, are those yobs sitting back in New York or where ever in their ivory castles, moving enormous quantities of cocoa just to push the price up and make money - millions in one day according to the guy they interviewed. Its a proportion of this money that needs to go back to the people on the ground in Ghana and Ivory Coast, not raising the initial farm gate price by a pittance....

    Mal.
    So true and well stated...

    Tap or drain left set wrong was a whipping offence for me...

    And I think I only left a gate open / not closed correctly ONCE.

    Warm cow patties in teh middle of winter and bare feet.. That is living.



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