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    Hey,

    I know this is a Coffeesnobs... but since theres quite alot of IT people can someone help me decide routers?
    My connection is going to be Internet----->Cable Modem-------> Router
    These are my options Im thinking

    Billion BIPAC-7402GL-M
    Linksys WRT54G
    Linksys WRT150N
    Belkin F5D8231au4 (N1)

    What do you people think is better?
    Is there any others I should think about?
    Thanks

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    Billion are a feature rich router with excellent VOIP options... make sure if venturing into Wireless you have WPA2 options... (I cant stress the WPA enough).. eg:

    One of my neighbours has a unsecured wireless network and I connect to it without Authentication. I can even connect to the router, make changes and take control of there own network.... crazy stuff... of course I dont do it.... but I did see how open it really was....problem is Im surrounded by many neighbours and dont know who it is.. otherwise Id let them know..

    Just an example to share and explain if you dont secure your network, you will be sniffed!!

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    Yep, agree MarcS

    Second vote for Billion!

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    Third vote for Billion. Not that the others are necessarily bad but Im onto my second after selling my first to a mate and have been very happy with the price, feature set and the regularity of BIOS updates which add new features for free.

    Im not familiar with the models that are just routers rather than modems as well (If youre using it purely as a router as it sounds), but as a brand I cant recommend them highly enough. Plus because theyre good value lots of folk have them so you can get good user support from places like whirlpool.

    Ive got a 7401VGP, cost me about $150 18 months ago. Coupled to PennyTel for VOIP I have to put up with $0.08 untimed local and national calls, and 13c/min for mobiles [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. Below is 11 days worth of calls; note the duration of some of the calls versus the cost, and the total amount I paid down the bottom. My home line is on Telstra Budget which is $19.95 rather than $29.95 and I never use the landline for a call so the higher rates arent an issue. So Im saving about $40 a month on my phone bill with this setup :)

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    Have to agree with the other guys,

    The Billion unit is very highly regarded but I wouldnt have the Linksys units on my shortlist particularly. We use VoIP too and so do heaps more people every day so if you think that this might be on your near horizon, you might like to look at the " Billion 6404VGP" or "7401VGPM" VoIP Routers, very similar specs and capability to the "7402GL-M" but with the addition of VoIP and at a similar price point,

    Cheers,
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    Yep, Linksys are owned by Cisco - but they arent as good as the Billion units

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    To add to the confusion, the Linksys devices will disapear and will be rebadged as Cisco in the next month or so.

    The Linksys are ok, plenty of features and some really cool hacks if you want to fiddle.
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    Billions, well we have sold something like 300 "billion" (err, 300 of them) at work over the last 5 years and only had a couple of reutrns... and they were the plugpack not the router. They are our standard "I need a router" router.

    SnapGear are the best routers for small business (but expensive for home). *Designed and developed in Morton Bay Australia, bought by CyberGuard a few years ago :( *These have the performance and features of large routers worth thousands of dollars more. *Great support and service and regular feature enhancements via firmware.

    The "2910VG" in the Draytek is a killer device, made even better if you require mobility in your internet connection as you can add a Telstra NextG device to it.
    http://www.draytek.com.au/products/Vigor2910.php
    (Im sure Lizzy needs one of these) ;)

    If you just want to block the outside world then the billion is fine. *

    If you need to access your computer from outside your firewall, then look for something that does native PPTP (like the SnapGear) and has a good enough CPU to handle the packet flow.

    If you need mobility, the Draytek is great value.

    The other "gotcha" is that on DSL2 plans some of the lower-end routers can quickly become the bottleneck. *

    You might find you can haggle a new router with your Internet connection or change ISPs. *They love to do deals.

    Good luck.

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    I have the WRT54g and cant say I am happy with it, but I also had troubles with the netgear it replaced (that in my last house was fine) so I am thinking its a line problem

    note the new WRT54G arent able to be reflashed to open WRT firmware, you would need to get the WRT54GL (L for Linux) to do that

    something to take into consideration if you are using bigpond cable, do they all have the special login heartbeat required to make it work? I know the linksys do and would assume the others do as well but never hurts to check

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    Hey,

    Thanks for everyones reply:) The billion sounds like a good choice and draytek and snapgear is on the expensive side though. So probably the billion with voip it is:) And pennytel is sooo cheap! looked at their site and amazed:)

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcS link=1187945419/0#1 date=1187946683
    ... make sure if venturing into Wireless you have WPA2 options... (I cant stress the WPA enough).. eg:

    One of my neighbours has a unsecured wireless network and I connect to it without Authentication. I can even connect to the router, make changes and take control of there own network.... crazy stuff... of course I dont do it.... but I did see how open it really was....problem is Im surrounded by many neighbours and dont know who it is.. otherwise Id let them know..

    Just an example to share and explain if you dont secure your network, you will be sniffed!!
    Put a .txt or .doc file in the all users start-up folder of the computer(s) on their network with the message being along the lines of You really should secure your network!!!. In large bold faced type of course. ;D

    Odds are if their router is that unsecured so are their computers and hard drives.

    If you wanted to be really nice you could include instructions as to how to get rid of the file as well as steps they could take to secure their network. :)


    Java "Secure it or be prepared to have your privates publicly exposed!" phile

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    Re: Routers

    I must confess that until I changed settings on my wireless router, it defaulted to use an unsecured Linsyx which belongs to an unknown neighbour...

    Often it had a better signal than my own, too.

    Of course, it is theft, and none of us would contemplate stealing from the neighbours, would we?




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    Re: Routers

    Heres an interesting fact for ppl like greg and myself who have the telstra budget plan, when you agree to the plan it in the terms and conditions that you wont use the budget plan for ADSL internet. I know atleast 20 ppl who do and im sure telstra know of it but still interesting :)

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    Re: Routers

    Start Rant...

    Telstra is a joke and should never have been sold! Selling national (Tax Payer owned) infrastructure is insane! Now, who was the Insane person who sold it?

    End Rant!

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    Thats interesting Segrave; when I first signed up on Telstra Budget I went through the T&C with the expectation that Id find something like that. I specifically asked that question of Telstra before I signed up for VOIP and they said there was no problem with using VOIP on that plan; heres the proof:

    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=457325&p=3

    Maybe theyve changed their tune now but they certainly hadnt when I signed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1187945419/0#13 date=1188860832
    Maybe theyve changed their tune now
    Being Telstra you can count on that happening...

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    Last time I looked it was okay for ADSL 1 (i.e. using Telstras hardware in the cabinet), but not for ADSL 2. *Things may have changed though...



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