Results 1 to 24 of 24

Thread: I feel damaged.....would you?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    723

    I feel damaged.....would you?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Today, for the first time in my life, I had to drown couple of beautiful shots of espresso in a mug of hot water, and then add sugar.

    Im still recovering...


    ...so how do other snobs feel about the long black?

  2. #2
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    16,962

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Not me ID,

    I really only like my espresso brews as 1) An Espresso, usually a Doppio Ristretto; 2) A Doppio Piccolo; or 3) A Doppio Short Latte (about 90ml milk). Adding too much water/sugar to another wise excellent espresso seems to be something of a waste, to me.

    Even with my Plunger brews, I generally have a lot less water to coffee ratio than the normal plunger brew..... Usually 3 Tablespoons o beans per Cup that realises about 60-80ml of coffee in each cup/glass. I then leave it up to the imbibers to decide what else they want to add to their coffee after that; I try not to watch :-?....

    Mal.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Lizzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Bridport, Tas
    Posts
    1,151

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    it depends on what your definition of a "long" black is...
    sometimes i put about 70 mil of hot water in the cup and top it with a double ristretto...., so total would be about 100ml;
    in theory it is a "long", i guess.

    but, i then commit a total sacrilegious offence and put some Carnation milk in it... very Dutch, and, yes, very yummy!

    for my other coffees i follow Mals line, including the stiff plunger brews ;)

    L

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    106

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    The long black is my normal cafe coffee, I dont love them but it means you have something to sit and drink while the people with you get through their coffee milkshakes (its either that or a shot and some OJ to sip). The abomination is adding milk to coffee in any form, wheres the poll on that? ;)

  5. #5
    Senior Member robusto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    2,783

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Identity: seems like a self-inflicted wound there. You HAD to add water? Forced at gunpoint, were you.

    Mark: Nothing wrong with adding milk. I daresay that practice may well be why coffee machines have steam wands! But seriously, I find that a dollop of milk added to espresso imparts a very nice taste.


  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,673

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    I am happy to share my coffee that I am willing to make people what they prefer. I am not a nazi about it and if that is how they enjoy their coffee, then better they enjoy my beautiful home roasted than instant.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    1,588

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Ya - Ill make it how people ask for it. By their guilty looks though I can see they know it hurts me to do so!

  8. #8
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    14

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    I reckon you need to meet people where they are, and slowly expose them to the delights of well made coffee. I remember I use to enjoy instant many many years ago.

    So if a friend ask for a particular drink, it is only polite to make it for them. With the view offering a different drink next time.

    Cheers

  9. #9
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,496

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    My wife drinks long blacks and appreciates that are made with better espresso shots than she can buy at most cafes.


  10. #10
    Senior Member robusto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    2,783

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Some taste buds can be "educated", but for others, one mans meat is anothers poison etc.

    A properly made espresso which can be loved and appreciated by some... may taste abhorrent to others. And thats not necessarily because of an immature palate. Its the way it actually tastes to that person.

    If it can be made palatable through the addition of water, sugar, strawberry syrup or whatever.... who are we to judge?

    (Even though we do ::) :-/ :-X ;D

  11. #11
    hazchem
    Guest

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    I had a really good long black at Mecca on the weekend, also, not everyone has my palate, so who am I to say what tastes good for them?

    Besides, with a bit of gentle suggestion and education you can often help people down the path. More than once in a good cafe ive passed the sugar on my table to another customer with the suggestion that they just try the coffee first and see if it actually NEEDS sugar.

    All of those that have given it a try have handed back the sugar or not used it at all.

  12. #12
    Senior Member greenman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Posts
    3,159

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    I enjoy a long black (greenman version) double ristretto and 30ml water, makes a nice sipper with plenty of punch and flavour.

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    365

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    I remember the first time I made a Long Black - twas for my UK Sister-in-law while she was here (in Perth) on a visit (...and trust me, the typical standard of coffee in the UK is, by and large, terrible!)

    After a life-time of her drinking bitter, over-extracted excuses for coffee, it was a pleasure to see her eyes light up as she savoured the flavour, aroma and still visible crema.

    Long Blacks arent to my taste, but it is kinda neat watching the first dollops of the double ristretto swirling and interacting with the hot water in the cup *:)

    -A-

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    171

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Identity link=1197299918/0#0 date=1197299918
    ...so how do other snobs feel about the long black?
    Depends on the beans Im using ...

  15. #15
    Senior Member greenman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Posts
    3,159

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Had dinner guests on Saturday night, made one of them a lovely single shot of Yemen Bismali with a touch of hot water, she asked for it to be diluted down by 50% again, my wife had to do it as I couldnt bear to adulterate this wonderful brew any further.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,687

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Its funny; if Im making espressos at home, I usually have double ristrettos, but then when I goto a cafe, especially one that I frequent, Ill hit up a relatively short, double long black. Usually cos it just lasts a bit longer, especially when Im with other people drinking coffee with their milk :-X

    When I was living in Canada/US I had to get used to ordering "Americanos" (our long black); as to not potentially offend any particular race. To which the mexican guy taking my order would yell out to the barista, "One Cafe Gringo". Its a funny thing to a chinese looking aussie as myself ;D

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Werribee, Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    737

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    My dad likes hes short blacks or long blacks watered down then its up to him to add the sugar.I on the other hand drink my espresso neat but I try to use a sweeter bean .Most of the time I will drink Lattes, when I go out I ask for latte and then ask myself wheres the coffee.This could be a form of torture or I might be scared to taste someone elses espresso!

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    171

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    There needs to be a grinder where you can easily pop off the bean reservoir thing along with any beans just in the burrs. It should have a little snap on cap or something secure. Then we can switch beans easily and make coffees to order with appropriate beans. I used to have multiple beans on hand all the time until my 2nd grinder kicked the bucket.

  19. #19
    CoffeeSnobs Owner Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Internet
    Posts
    16,940
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?


    Double espresso is my drink of choice at home or at a good caf.

    At work Ill often have a double espressos in a mug of hot water. It sits on my desk (and goes cold) but does provide a bigger liquid / coffee ratio.

    You will also find a lot more faults in a roast (or process) if you try it as a long black, more so as it cools-off. Espresso and Ristretto easily mask subtle bad traits.


  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,687

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Yeah its funny you say that Mal, I noticed the little faults/differences too when it cooled off, just not gutsy enough to admit Im too lazy to go and heat it up or too much of a stinge to throw it out :-[

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    802

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Would you feel as damaged if I asked for milk in my latte? Dont forget that by far the majority of coffee drinkers dilute their coffee with milk.

    If you really want to feel bad, consider this: Ive just spent some time in a cabin close to my 79 yo father, who visited a couple of times a day. I took my Sunbeam grinder and my Vietnamese coffee pots. He wasnt having any truck with "fancy" coffee - I had to buy a jar of Blend 43 and a sack of sugar to keep him happy.

  22. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    346

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1197299918/15#18 date=1197550504

    You will also find a lot more faults in a roast (or process) if you try it as a long black, more so as it cools-off. Espresso and Ristretto easily mask subtle bad traits.
    Why do you think this is?

    (this has convinced me to try a long black)

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    846

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1197299918/15#18 date=1197550504
    You will also find a lot more faults in a roast (or process) if you try it as a long black, more so as it cools-off. *Espresso and Ristretto easily mask subtle bad traits.
    Ahh, thankfully I dont need to post a long personal response. Concisely put Andy, & it sums up my palate! My choice of beverage when cupping is a long black (kind of a piccolo version - 60ml water with a 30ml espresso extraction poured into it).

    I personally find pure espresso a tad too intense when trying to detect flavour notes - yet when added to a minimal amount of water, the flavours dont disappear but actually come to the fore! I can better identify typical qualities in an SO with that slightly taming aspect of the water.

    Now that same shot with milk added is a whole different tasting ball-game! ;)

    Any espresso infused beverage has its merits - if done right ;)

    Nothing wrong at all with a long black IMHO ...

    Tony

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    723

    Re: I feel damaged.....would you?

    Okay, its just me then!

    I feel happier about doing it for friends now...........but....

    On friday, my father in law (who some of you met) couldnt work out how to do the grind and tamp thing, so put a grindstein double in the basket and used the lever to pour himself a 300ml long black.

    He said it was a great coffee and full of flavour - I suggest he used the Vietnamese press pot when Im not around.



Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 18th July 2010, 11:56 AM
  2. Sunbeam emo450 damaged burr??
    By matt84 in forum Grinders
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 12th January 2008, 11:45 PM
  3. New Orleans Coffee Not Damaged by Katrina
    By Andy in forum General News
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 14th September 2005, 09:30 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •