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    CoffeeSnobs and Guitars

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    flynn, there are quite a few fantastic sydney based luthiers that will make you a guitar to your exact specifications - but will cost you the same or less than a top shelp Maton, or Taylor etc - and will be a much better instrument. Check out the guitar site or send me a PM and Ill shoot you some info.

    I have a headache - Im posting about coffee on a guitar site, and guitar on a coffee site. I think I need a beer (or maybe I need to post about coffee and guitar on a Beer forum :-/ )

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    Re: Its frustrating trying to educate people

    Quote Originally Posted by Topher link=1229386809/0#6 date=1229394356
    flynn, there are quite a few fantastic sydney based luthiers that will make you a guitar to your exact specifications - but will cost you the same or less than a top shelp Maton, or Taylor etc - and will be a much better instrument. * *Check out the guitar site or send me a PM and Ill shoot you some info. *
    I assume you mean Gronks guitar site. Yeah I had a look at Jim Williams and Gerard Gilet but I love the idea of a custom guitar.

    Thanks for the offer Topher. When Im cashed up I will give you a hoy. Are you a luthier?

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    Nup - Im no luthier - the only thing I can make out of timber is splinters. I just know a few people who have gone down the custom guitar route.


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    As far as Aussie guitars go (esp acoustic), I guess Maton have a big head start. There are more Cole Clarks popping up all the time - very nice guitars, lovely acoustic tone. But I was playing with a guy with a CC on Sat night and when he went to plug in, the end plug-in assembly fell apart ;D. Simple fix, but its never happened with my Takamines!

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    Re: Its frustrating trying to educate people

    Quote Originally Posted by flynn_aus link=1229386809/0#4 date=1229388136
    Modesty aside, you have well and truly crossed over to the Dark Side of the Force. Dont forget that at one stage you must have been as ignorant as those you are now complaining about.

    Nice site BTW. Ill have to give it a good read through. Now Ive been buying up on coffee equipment, Ive given my poor wife some respite from hints about guitar purchases. I have my heart set on a Taylor (one day) but not sure if Coffee machine upgraditis will put paid to that dream. Ive only owned the Levetta for 3 months so Im trying to behave *:-X

    Quick edit: For some reason I thought Taylor was an Aussie brand. I see Maton features quite heavily on your site with good reason but what is the most sought-after of the Aussies these days ?
    Continuing off-topic but…

    I bought a Cole Clark acoustic guitar just over 12 months ago after a lot of research. *For the price it was easily the best quality construction and tone.

    http://www.coleclarkguitars.com/index.asp


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    Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    OK, somebody had to do it, and it doesnt always have to be the Mods.

    Continued from here

    Thanks guys, Ill definitely check out the Cole Clarke.

    There was a luthier I read about many years ago. Not sure if hes still going but I THINK he was based in Vic , he is/was a fairly old guy and I have a feeling his name started with A. Anyone have any idea what Im talking about (now, I mean, not all the time *:P)


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    Had a read through the thread and found it quite interesting to hear the views that are probably popular amongst the greater population.

    Personally, I prefer to think that part of my role is to inform people, rather than educate. *What they then do with the information is entirely up to them, and often less frustrating for me! :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by cuppacoffee link=1229386809/0#11 date=1229398605
    Had a read through the thread and found it quite interesting to hear the views that are probably popular amongst the greater population.

    Personally, I prefer to think that part of my role is to inform people, rather than educate. *What they then do with the information is entirely up to them, and often less frustrating for me! *:)
    "Inform" is probably a better choice of word than educate. Ill change the thread title. :)

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    Dollar for dollar I would recommend a Maton over a Cole Clark.

    The Cole Cark is a "click together" kind of construction. Maton is more traditional. Some of the construction methods used by Cole Clark make me wonder how the guitar will be in 10 years time. Probably nothing will, I would just trust the Maton over the Clark (not the Maton custom shop though, I wont write about that!!!).

    The Cole Clark will how ever be cheaper for the same type of guitar.
    At the end of the day the difference in construction will probably amount to nothing. As you would with coffee, check everything out and get what you like, not what some else likes.

    P.S. I can highly recommend a luthier who is in Melbourne. I got one made by him. Top quality. Got it made how I wanted (got a 49.5mm nut as opposed to the standard 44mm, giving me a wider neck).
    But as someone pointed out in the other thread the price was about the same as Taylor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassway link=1229397800/0#1 date=1229401446
    Dollar for dollar I would recommend a Maton over a Cole Clark.

    The Cole Cark is a "click together" kind of construction. Maton is more traditional. Some of the construction methods used by Cole Clark make me wonder how the guitar will be in 10 years time. Probably nothing will, I would just trust the Maton over the Clark (not the Maton custom shop though, I wont write about that!!!).

    The Cole Clark will how ever be cheaper for the same type of guitar.
    At the end of the day the difference in construction will probably amount to nothing. As you would with coffee, check everything out and get what you like, not what some else likes.

    P.S. I can highly recommend a luthier who is in Melbourne. I got one made by him. Top quality. Got it made how I wanted (got a 49.5mm nut as opposed to the standard 44mm, giving me a wider neck).
    But as someone pointed out in the other thread the price was about the same as Taylor.
    I think you need to start a new forum www.guitarsnobs.com :)

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_S link=1229397800/0#2 date=1229401519
    I think you need to start a new forum www.guitarsnobs.com :)
    That thought crossed my mind as I created this thread. Oh well, if the thread gets too busy we can always jump onto Gronks site.

    Makes me wonder what the uncool guitar act that relates to drinking instant coffee is; being able to play Stairway to heaven or the Smoke on the Water riff.

    I admit to both :-[

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Can I say that I own an acoustic guitar
    But cant play for quids

    My guitar is a Fender F35 it is about 30 years old
    I kept it just in-case the kids wanted to take it up (but no luck)

    Still in new condition pity it gets no use
    Have to wait for future grandkids or sell it?

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    I dusted of my 6-string Ibanez acoustic after returning from two years of travel around Europe. While a little rusty at first it didnt take long to get back to my original form - which isnt anyhting special!

    I should take lessons. I need someone to push me if Im going to improve.

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    Good to see musios that drink coffee. ;D

    Most drink beer and smoke weed. >:(

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    Why should guitarists steal the limelight? Lets see if there are any drummers out there in coffeeland. For you guys with some rhythm, check out my reviews in Australian Musician (Im the electronic percussion reviewer): http://www.australianmusician.com.au/DisplayStory.asp?StoryID=249

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben_S link=1229397800/0#2 date=1229401519
    I think you need to start a new forum www.guitarsnobs.com :)
    ;D Its already been done..although not using that name.

    Aussie Guitar Gear Heads is a forum for fanatics of ..well as the title says *;D

    This thread has a fairly decent list of Aussie guitar builders http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/index.php?topic=3467.0 although its not complete. Its a work in progress as more and more come out of the wood work.

    Some fantastic work is showcased in this section http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/index.php?board=10.0

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Ive found Alvarez to be the best classical guitars around. I dont like their regular guitars as much, but for a classical I think theyre the best.

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Saw this thread and thought Id post the gfs (early) Christmas present:


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    Gronk - Ive been reading Aussie Guitar Gear Heads for a while now but can never seem to be able to register. Seems like they have stopped taking registrations. Any ideas on how I can join? I have a few guitars (2 x Greco LPs) and had a Stewart Male Custom strat until Saturday when it was lost in the bushfires :( (cant complain compared to what some people lost...)

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Speaking of Aussie guitars - check this out

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Skiboo
    My daughter has one of those heart shaped guitars, or one that looks very similar, her uncle bought it for her when he bought my son a Fender Squire and me a strat (i cant even play)

    The son now has a Fender Jaguar and is in the process of building a Fender Strat and a Fender Telecaster

    Our place gets a bit noisy at times, its a good thing i go outside to roast.

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    No disrespect intended guys - but both the Cole Clark and Maton guitars left me cold a few years back when I went to buy a "decent" acoustic. I checked out the Maton 325ce and they hadnt even checked the purfling out where the struts went in; they cut the struts short. That makes for an unstable build. I ended up buying a Cort acoustic. I now have several Cort guitars in my collection and they are all brilliant. I have a Cort custom shop acoustic that is very close to my Martin D28. Their Strat styles are like a complete rework of a classic axe - the Wilkinson hardware and Mighty Mite pickups are stock equipment on several models. They represent terrific value for money and, just in case some were wondering, Im not employed by Cort or sponsored by them. Just tellin it like it is. Regards.

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    I went the Guitar Factory in Gladesville a couple of months ago. They sell some nice equipment.

    The guitar that really impressed me was a Jim Williams. It was unusual in that it was 12-fretted (12 frets clear of the body) but apparently this shorter neck helps improve the sound and volume. I detected a much warmer tone than other guitars I check out that day such as a Maton, a Cole Clark and the salesman pulled down a $10K Martin (cant remember the model). The Jim Williams was still the guitar I would have taken home with me that day if money was not a factor.

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 626473627A787C110 link=1295847548/5#5 date=1295930961
    Nice bass BTW, bassway!
    Thanks,

    It is a custom made bass made by a friend of mine.
    The neck is made from 7 pieces of Jarrah. The fret board is also Jarrah.
    The body wings are Indian "Mahogany" - not the same tree species but has similar characteristics. These are capped with flamed red gum. The head stock is also capped with book matched flamed red gum.

    Has bassline pickups and electronics. Plays like a dream, then again being made for me it should feel like that to me!








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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    I purchased my first acoustic around 2.5 months ago.
    After auditioning a few I was torn between a mat on and a Taylor. At the end of the day I went for the Taylor as I preferred the sound.
    This was my first guitar and am learning on it. Since then I have also purchased a couple electrics.

    Wish I took this up at a much younger age. Ah well never too old I guess.

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    Used to play a bit of garage music with my mates as a teenager in the 70s and decided to sell my guitar (a very nice 74 Ibanez copy of a Gibson SG Custom) when I was 17 (I still regret it).
    Had a hankering to restart last year and my wife bought me a Cole Clark Fat Lady for my birthday (48th).
    I am a lucky guy but I dont think Ill be threatening Leo Kottke anytime soon.
    :)

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread - Daniel Champagne

    Keep your eye out for this guy - brilliant!

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh8F2icbmBM&feature=player_profilepage
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    http://danielchampagnemusic.com.au/

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    Very cool. Must go to one of his gigs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69637661616E7A7C0F0 link=1229397800/26#26 date=1299394717
    Keep your eye out for this guy - brilliant!
    Meh,

    Been done before. Some good stuff.
    But he is young, lots of time to learn and grow.

    One thing I dont get is the wacking the side and front of the guitar - people go nuts. Why?
    I saw the Grigoryan brothers play. AMAZING! Prefect technique, timing, taste and world class skill.
    The bit in the concert when people go nuts? When they wack the guitars like a drum. The simplest thing. Yes it sounded nice and not arguing that everything has to be hard but.... big doop.
    Not trying to be a smart ar#se but I would like to know why?

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Gees bassway, you forgot to add bah, humbug on the end of that. Sure it has been done before but there arent too many musos who start out without copying their guitar heroes.

    The slapping thing is from Tommy Emmanual who probably got it from flamenco. I like it - adds a different dimension to the sound. Not that much different to bassists slapping the strings is it?

    Champagne also uses the Stanley Jordan technique of hammering rather than plucking the strings.

    Check out some of the other stuff Champagne does.

    Agree on Slava Grigoryan (havent seen him with his bro). One of the purest classical guitar techniques I have heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1229397800/29#29 date=1299543865
    Gees bassway, you forgot to add bah, humbug on the end of that. Sure it has been done before but there arent too many musos who start out without copying their guitar heroes.
    Yes but I dont think this is that good compared to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1229397800/29#29 date=1299543865
    The slapping thing is from Tommy Emmanual who probably got it from flamenco. I like it - adds a different dimension to the sound.* Not that much different to bassists slapping the strings is it?
    I like it too, I just think it is over rated, I dont get the reaction to it.
    Yes, not that much different... are you referring to the slapping of the guitar body? If so the difference is the addition of notes and more variation - down thumb, up pluck with thumb, pluck with index, middle and ring finger.
    The wacking of the strings is just double hand tapping.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1229397800/29#29 date=1299543865
    Check out some of the other stuff Champagne does.
    Did. Maybe this is just not my taste.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1229397800/29#29 date=1299543865
    Agree on Slava Grigoryan (havent seen him with his bro).
    If you ever get the chance dont miss them!
    Seen them twice and would have to say the two best concerts I have been to.

    Oh and ..... bah, humbug ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0003111115031B620 link=1229397800/30#30 date=1299548948
    Quote Originally Posted by 7F75607777786C6A190 link=1229397800/29#29 date=1299543865
    Agree on Slava Grigoryan (havent seen him with his bro).
    If you ever get the chance dont miss them!
    Seen them twice and would have to say the two best concerts I have been to.
    Absolutely agree.* I saw them together a year or so.* Great concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F2C3E3E3A2C344D0 link=1229397800/28#28 date=1299541783
    I saw the Grigoryan brothers play. AMAZING! Prefect technique, timing, taste and world class skill.
    Theyre amazing, arent they.
    Im looking forward to seeing Rodrigo y Gabriela at the Palais next month, should be a wonderful experience.

    As for guitars, ive got a pretty basic but nice Fender Squier Strat thats sadly not had much use over the last year. :(

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    apparently, this guitar is the sh!t:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcm53fb4qFE&feature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by 687F6C6C0A0 link=1229397800/33#33 date=1301641940
    apparently, this guitar is the sh!t:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcm53fb4qFE&feature=related
    So was the lead singers performance a few years ago at the acer arena - seems like nothings changed

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55747F7F7862110 link=1229397800/34#34 date=1301642895
    So was the lead singers performance a few years ago at the acer arena - seems like nothings changed
    Hey Den. Oh, I think a lots changed with his performances since the early 70s (as in that clip - he used to wail!) to the tripe hes been warbling over the last 30 years. A 60+ yr old RS wouldnt get my money. (And, yeah, interesting guitar of Ronnie Woodss.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 407562604D50070 link=1229397800/35#35 date=1301870305
    interesting guitar of Ronnie Woodss.
    Yes, I was wondering about that too. Looks like a toilet seat attached to a regular guitar, complete with dunny paper. perhaps he was making a comment.

    Of course, that was Top of the Pops so Ron isnt plugged in and it would be lip-synched.

    I always thought Steve Marriot of the Small Faces a superior guitarist to Ron Wood.

    Have a listen to this (and see if you can guess which song was a direct rip-off of it)
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkQpZpFLpv4[/media]

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Ha ha. Yep Steve, nothing subtle about Robert Plants "influence" there. Of course, they both "borrowed" fairly liberally from Willy Dixon / Muddy Waters You Need Love.

    Off tangent a bit, Steve - have you caught Mal Eastick doing Stevie Ray Vaughan tribute shows? Check this out:

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b614oKD8K_A[/media]

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    Quote Originally Posted by 467364664B56010 link=1229397800/37#37 date=1301921527
    Of course, they both "borrowed" fairly liberally from Willy Dixon / Muddy Waters You Need Love.
    Led Zeps Lemon Song sounds very similar to Howling Wolfs "Killin Floor". But it was not unknown for blues artists to borrow from each other.

    Apparently Willie Dixon sued Page/Plant for Whole Lotta Love, which was settled out of court, but didnt bother about the Marriott/Lane steal (probably because it wasnt a hit like Whole Lotta Love).

    Beautiful SRV cover. You can pick the Hendrix influence. Eastick is another unheralded Aussie guitarist. I always thought he was a little wasted in Stars (talent-wise that is, not substance). I have the Stars "Andy Durant TributeConcert" DVD - good stuff.

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    It would appear old Led Zep did a fair bit of "borrowing", particularly in their early years. Not crediting the original song writers was not cool. (At least the Stones credited the original artists when they did blues covers in their early days.) I think Plant mainly ripped from Lane/Marriott in Whole Lotta Love, when it was Lane/Marriott who had ripped from Willie Dixon.

    Anyway, about Stars - jeez they were a good band. 2 superb albums, great live. They (and Andy Durant, who wrote 90% of their stuff) couldve been big, if it werent for the tragic cutting short of Andys life in 1980 (I think it was cancer and he was only about 25). I still remember the day I heard hed gone, it still makes me sad.

    Tying the above 2 paragraphs together (ha ha), heres a clip of Stars doing a Willie Dixon song live (and credited to Mr Dixon!!!). Mal was showing plenty of talent back then (as well as seeming to have a lot of fun).
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThVZoRP0TQ&feature=autoplay&list=PLF13BA7 47D43B17B9&index=26&playnext=1[/media]

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Great track

    Quote Originally Posted by 132631331E03540 link=1229397800/39#39 date=1302047360
    Mal was showing plenty of talent back then
    It leads me to ask who are Australias greatest guitarists.
    Anyway, I would include (not exhaustive nor in any order of preference)

    John Williams
    Slava Grigoryan
    Tommy Emmanuel
    Phil Emmanuel
    Kevin Borich
    Angus Young
    John Robinson
    Lobby Lloyd
    Ian Moss
    Mark Lizotte (aka Johnny Diesel)
    Mal Eastick
    Phil Manning
    Tim Gaze
    Ross Hannaford
    Martin Rotsey
    Mario Millo
    Peter Wells

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Are you REALLY gonna open that can, Steve? OK, you have... So subjective. Open all genres? Hmmm... thats a fair list you have there. (You sure its not in order? ha ha.)

    I saw LLoyd Speigel play recently - check him out. (What he does with a Cole Clark is just ridiculous!). Tommy E on top for mine - the mans a freak.

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 241106042934630 link=1229397800/41#41 date=1302053038
    So subjective.
    Like favourite coffee SOs [smiley=evil.gif]???

    Yes, thats my list and Im sure others would have different ideas. There are/were guitarists who are worthy of inclusion but their genre didnt quite do it. I thought of adding Ed Kuepper but he was more influential rather than technically brilliant.

    Never mind - as you were ;)

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Im no guitar snob but someone just started following me on twitter thats into guitars and I spotted some interesting ones from a link on his timeline.

    http://www.carverdoug.com/wang.html

    Make sure you read the description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E425F444E4F584D454E2A0 link=1229397800/43#43 date=1302222120
    Reply #43 - Today at 11:17am Mark & Quote Quote
    Im no guitar snob but someone just started following me on twitter thats into guitars and I spotted some interesting ones from a link on his timeline.

    http://www.carverdoug.com/wang.html

    Make sure you read the description.
    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Good one TG..

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Here ya go, Steve, Some fair players amongst this lot:

    http://www.empiretouring.com.au/events/crossroadseric-clapton/sydney-enmore-theatre

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    Re: Coffee Snob Guitar Thread

    Oooh, thankyou Greg. Row K seats 9 and 10 in the stalls are now taken!

    Last time we were at the Enmore was to see Nick Cave. Soon after he started, Sue turned to me and yelled, "Are you finding this loud?" to which I replied, "Why, are my ears bleeding?"

    Love the venue; sounds like it will be a great show! :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by bassway View Post
    If you ever get the chance dont miss them!
    Seen them twice and would have to say the two best concerts I have been to.
    A two year old thread but the opportunity has arisen at last and I have my tickets (Sydney Recital Hall, April 6).

    Who is 'them'? Why it's the Grigoryan Brothers of course (as you were, if you aren't fans of classical guitar)

    http://www.grigoryanbrothers.com



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