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    Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

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    I have just this week picked up our new Irish Terrier puppy
    I have made the decision to feed it a raw food diet
    Ones available to me are "Meal for Pets or BARF" (Bio Approved Raw Food)

    BARF
    http://www.barfaustralia.com/distributors.php?pid=1
    Meal for pets
    http://www.petcafe.com.au/mealforpets1.html

    Our last dog was on a mixture of commercial dry & wet food during the early part of his life
    However he developed some medical problems

    That prompted me to cook him our own blend of foods along with some raw meats
    His health improved after switching the diet and he recently passed away at the age of 14 years

    I really dont want to cook the new dogs meals as its not so cost effective when I can get ready made Raw foods such as Meal for Pets or BARF

    Can I ask CS members your opinions on this and if you are using these pet food products

    Also are there any reputable dog/puppy training clubs in the inner city Southern Brisbane that charge a small membership fee and then pay a small charge per training session
    But are conducted in daylight hours or a weekend

    Many thanks
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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Congrats on the new puppy! I have a siberian husky (my photo here is of him as a puppy - hes now nearly 4 years). His diet is raw kangaroo meat and a good quality dry food (we use science diet). We have found it to be a great diet for him. He loves his kangaroo meat.

    I am not familiar with the products you mention but I am keen on feeding dogs plenty of raw food - makes more sense to me. I dont recall ever seeing a wolf with a frypan over a fire...just my thoughts.

    Definitely take it to school. Dont know Brisbane but most schools down here will give you the first lesson free with no obligation so you can check out a few and pick what suits.

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Hi KK,

    Awesome, a new puppy is always a great way to inject some fun into your life.

    Personally - we are not looking to cook any meat for our dogs, as it tends to lock out the nutrients available to them.

    We generally feed a good quality kibble (proplan) with one other ingredient mixed in each night to add variety *i.e. yogurt, raw egg, sardines (in spring water), chicken mince, etc. And they get bones 2 or 3 times a week in the morning.

    I think a puppy absolutely needs a good diet. I would make sure that what ever you decide on is a well balanced diet with all the nutrients available to the pup.

    There are some Holistic kibbles that lend themselves to a natural diet - maybe worth looking at.

    Our dogs are show dogs - that also do Herding and Obedience - so we need good coat and shine to show and stamina to perform - diet is everything to us!

    As for clubs - maybe check out http://www.cccq.org.au/ and give them a call.

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    I know a company in the U.S also named BARF made a blend of cow stomach. Some green, brown and cleaner stomach. Horse hoof stuffed with stomach is meant to be a dog winner.

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    It slipped my mind but here is a photo of the little scamp named Leo (short for Leonardo) 7 weeks old
    Breed Irish Terrier

    Thanks Pav & Col you both have awesome dogs
    I am leaning towards the Raw food diet with a little of my own home cooked mixes for variety

    We generally feed a good quality kibble (proplan) with one other ingredient mixed in each night to add variety i.e. yoghurt, raw egg, sardines (in spring water), chicken mince, etc. And they get bones 2 or 3 times a week in the morning.
    Funny you feed your dogs sardines as we fed the last dog sardines and also fish oil capsules also yoghurt with rice
    Result a beautiful shiny coat and a longer life

    I will have to look into chicken mince, roo meat, and holistic kibble
    They say chicken mince is best for dogs as it contains more calcium

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A353F22175B0 link=1233461365/3#3 date=1233481697
    I know a company in the U.S also named BARF made a blend of cow stomach. Some green, brown and cleaner stomach. Horse hoof stuffed with stomach is meant to be a dog winner.
    YUK YUK YUK

    Now I have to convince the family that he is a dog and not a baby as they think I am mean when I discipline him for naughty behaviour :(
    I dont discipline him roughly Just as his own mother would do it and with lots of praise when he settles

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    Beautiful pup.

    Yes, must convince family so as not to have a monster or idiot of a dog in the end. Try pitching it to them that the pup needs the pack behaviour to feel secure.

    I have also been using egg and yoghurt intermittently as you guys have. Tried the sardines in springwater but he wont eat it (which surprised me greatly at the time). And, of course, every dogs favourite the raw bone.

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Hi,
    Have you tried Eukanuba & chicken necks? We had great success with the mix when we had Rottis. Also, some breeders recommend feeding kelp too?
    :)

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    Thanks newb

    In a little while at 12 weeks I will start him on chicken necks and or wings also brisket bones

    Spotted another dog food product developed in 1973 by a greyhound trainer

    Scottys premium pet foods
    They use human consumption meat add some vegetables steam cook it and package it in a 2 kg sausage tube

    http://www.scottys.com.au/products.html

    KK

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    There is this one......located at The Gap.

    http://www.completepet.com.au/

    Our [s]pig[/s] third child never leaves any behind!




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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D656461406C6E0D0 link=1233461365/8#8 date=1234400233
    There is this one......located at The Gap.

    http://www.completepet.com.au/

    Our [s]pig[/s] third child never leaves any behind!
    Looks like a happy puppy dog PhilMac

    I am lazy and the Gap is to far for me
    I am going to try Scottys from our butcher not far from home

    I have tried Leo our pup on the Meal for Pets and because it is so finely minced its more like glue. He doesnt like it to much

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    Hi KK have you read Dr Ian Billinghurst book give your dog a bone? I ask this because my wife and I used to breed and show cavalier king charles spaniels, at one stage we had 10 dogs and pups.
    We used the diet in the book and had mixed results. It basicly goes back to a dogs origins of being a pack animal and how the first thing a dog will eat is the stomach of the animal because it contains vegetables.
    He also recommends fasting the dog for a day and feeding starchy foods like rice.
    At the time of printing I asked my Vet about the book. He had read it, and said you could shoot it down in flames but he had some intresting ideas.
    We now have 2 retired Cavaliers 12 and 13yrs and 1 crazy Japanese Spitz 3yrs and I feed them EcoPet roll only in the chicken varieties and Kangaroo which also contains chicken and Eukanuba dry food

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2E2231373A2126222D430 link=1233461365/10#10 date=1234501778
    Hi KK have you read Dr Ian Billinghurst book give your dog a bone?
    No just went and read a lot of info on his web site

    Wow thats great information from an ex breeder Marty
    Scottys is similar to ecopet roll
    The cooked rolls are probably safer in the home kitchen.
    One slip up with raw food and the whole family is sick
    Marty can you have a look at Scottys range and tell me if its similar

    http://www.scottys.com.au/products.html

    KK

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    KK, it looks very similiar to the Ecopet. The key with rolls I think is they are better if the roll is hard and compact, thats why I use the chicken based products from Ecopet.
    The lamb and beef rolls dont come out the other end to well and they are much softer. You will find as we did if you feed them raw meaty products it will come out as it goes in.
    I think any good Vet would tell you to look at your dogs droppings if they are easy to clean up then you are probably doing a good job if they are smelly and runny [sorry but just cant think of another word] then your dog probably isnt getting the best diet or it has an upset stomach.
    I would recommend the use of a kelp powder for a good coat and raw chicken necks and frames but be carefull as I had to get a dogs bowel cleaned out because she swallowed the necks whole and they set like concrete.
    Goodluck with the new puppy terriers never grow up

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E3221272A3136323D530 link=1233461365/12#12 date=1234505007
    Goodluck with the new puppy terriers never grow up
    Yep we know
    This our third Irish Terrier I dont know what it is about this breed but we love them they even smile when they are cheeky

    I am already starting his family member training in case he gets out of hand
    Puppy school soon and at about 4-5 months proper training
    However it takes longer to train terriers

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    It sure does we had them as kids. I think it takes longer to train spitz breeds. Some people say they are stupid but they are very intelligent theyre no Kelpie but they are extremely loyal, as are Terriers

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    Hi mate. Congrats on the new addition. I have 2 GSDs from the same breeder. Both have parents that are award winning show and obedience dogs (Leishjacklyn kennels) - photos are in the Coffeesnobs pet thread. Our new addition is thriving now at 11 weeks, the boy and our girl is 4 years old and beautiful. Our breeder recommended Royal Canin and thats what we have been feeding the puppy. We fed that to our girl for the first year and moved to Iams - very similar but cheaper than the French stuff! Never had any medical issues at all and the dogs are a picture of health and vitality. Strong, energetic and smart.

    When we had cattle dogs we fed them raw food and some had cheap cheap dry food and all had health problems from time to time - different bread I know.

    I think premium balanced dry food is hard to beat. I am about to start the little bloke on obedience training (professionally, not just at home - his dad is the first Qld Gold Medal winner and his mum is an award winning obedience dog, so Im keen to stretch the little bloke who seems intent on learning alrady) and I will ask those trainers what they think, but I wouldnt mind betting that they will recommend a good quality dry (there are only really three - the two I mentioned and Science Diet).

    Good luck.

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    Thanks Ozscott

    My dog breeder started with German Shepards with her parents in Tasmania but she found the Irish terrier and started to breed them

    Roismar is her kennel name from Goomburra near Warwick
    http://www.users.bigpond.com/roismar/home.html

    She recommends a combination of good quality meaty food with vegetables and on the side a good kibble
    After 12 weeks of age add 2 brisket bones a week

    Ch.Roismar Aonair CDX
    Aonair was the first Irish Terrier in Australia to obtain the title of CDX (Companion Dog Excellence).
    And is my puppies grandfather

    I am looking for a dog club in the inner south Brisbane that has a small joining fee and a small charge per lesson.
    I will ring Oxley to see if they have this system.
    I am also keen to train him up like his grandfather

    Ozscott what club are you going to

    He is smart just today I watched him spying on a turtle dove that flew into the yard he was so patient and waited until the turtle dove stepped down and out of direct line of sight then he pounced
    Did not catch it of course but he would have been waiting very still for about 3 minutes till he got his chance.

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    Nice mate - got to love a dog with smarts! I am taking him to puppy school on Tues and after that I dont know. There is a Schnitzhund place down the Gold Coast that I was thinking of, although its a fair way to go. I know of an obedience club at North West Ipswich near the cement works because I have seen dogs there, but I was going to do GSD specific training and the GC seems the only place that does the traditional German skill training.

    Cheers

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    Come on all you pet lovers...

    Its Valentines day... Show a little love :-*

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1234565152

    AM

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    Why would you feed a dog or cat artificial food? Serious dental problems result, quite apart from the numbers killed by these foods. Heard of melamine? http://www.bloggingpet.com/entry/hundreds-of-us-pets-died-from-melamine-poisoning-of-pet-food/
    My Tibetan Spaniel, now 3, thrives on raw meaty bones. Check this out: http://www.rawmeatybones.com/book-ww.php
    I hope this helps you and your dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 535259545645370 link=1233461365/19#19 date=1234611630
    Why would you feed a dog or cat artificial food? Serious dental problems result, quite apart from the numbers killed by these foods. Heard of melamine? http://www.bloggingpet.com/entry/hundreds-of-us-pets-died-from-melamine-poisoning-of-pet-food/
    My Tibetan Spaniel, now 3, thrives on raw meaty bones. Check this out: http://www.rawmeatybones.com/book-ww.php
    I hope this helps you and your dog.
    Wow dencar
    Thats food for thought
    I read a fair amount of that raw bones link & the why NOT BARF pdf

    Thats just what my breeder said in my enquiry email 2 bones per week meat and veg to supplement & table scraps is ok as well

    She also added do not feed the dog Eukanuba or Science Diet and never wash the dog with products containing tea tree oil

    Quote Originally Posted by 584D4454584343370 link=1233461365/17#17 date=1234587832
    Nice mate - got to love a dog with smarts! *I am taking him to puppy school on Tues and after that I dont know. *There is a Schnitzhund place down the Gold Coast that I was thinking of, although its a fair way to go. *I know of an obedience club at North West Ipswich near the cement works because I have seen dogs there, but I was going to do GSD specific training and the GC seems the only place that does the traditional German skill training.

    Cheers
    I know an ex German Shepherd trainer and GS owner I will ask him if he knows of a good one and get back to you on that

    But I believe that the German Shepherd Club Of QLD does training in Durack

    http://www.gsdcqld.org.au/

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Its not that I dont like dogs or cats - I really do. *Though reading some of the comments in this thread, make me so glad my pet is a vegetarian! ;D *Their diets are just oh so simple.


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    ...arrhhh..lets be clear that the Royal Canin from the French that I mentioned above, and the Iams does not contain the sort of artificial rubbish the the link above relates to...ie Melamine for gravies etc. Much of the tinned wet food is utter rubbish and isnt good for many dogs generally. Too many top breeders and tog trainers use Royal Canin etc for it to be other than excellent pet food (and given how bloody much it costs, no wonder!).

    Thanks KK - much appreciated.

    Cheers

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    Whatever rubbish Royal Canin doesnt contain, it still has enough to appear twice on this FDA pet-food recall list: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/petfoodrecall/#Dog
    Try googling pet food containing sodium pentothal and youll find that there are dead dogs in artificial pet food.
    Then there is periodontal disease: http://www.rawmeatybones.com/Perio.html
    Talking of price, if you go to the supermarket and see a home brand artificial pet food it will claim to be completely nutritious, but then there are superior products, such as Royal Canin, which cost much more. Surely, that has to be a rip-off if home brand will do. In fact, all artificial pet foods are a rip-off, because they are inferior to raw meaty bones, which is not subject to food recalls. They are in the same category as the rubbish pushed by big tobacco, big alcohol, and big pharmaceutical, to name a few.
    Were lucky to have coffee and pets, arent we? :)

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    But thats the point Home Brand claims to be nutritious, but you cannot compare the nutritional value of the two and you dont get the utterly complete breakdown of home brand pet food on the label that you do on the more expensive brands. *Essentially the expensive brands are chicken with good stuff added. *I am all for doing the best you can by pets and frankly I think I do. *I also dont believe everything I read, both good and bad. Further that site does not list the RC products that I buy, and indeed they dont list the reason for the recall. I also inherently have a problem with the USs idea of food and drug admin...the country that doesnt seem to have a big problem with several hundred cases a year of mad cows and where the surgeon general, for many years, decided that several cigarettes a day was ok...dont get me started on the US.

    Cheers

    PS. *You still cannot discount the experience of breeders whose stud dogs are worth a small fortune; they simply wouldnt put them at risk with material that would be likely to do other than make them happy, healthy strong dogs.

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    ...seems that the FDA is interested in chinese veges causing the dramas and that Royal Canin has voluntarily recalled some of its products that contain same. *Good on them. *Bear in mind that there have been some worse things put into human food and that have been recalled - indeed human food is recalled every week....and some of it is serious. *Do we go back to eating only totally fresh totally non-processed food ourselves? *Nice sentiment, but simply not possible today Im afraid. * Anyway, I wont be changing my food based on a limited problem with Chinese veges that have been identified and rectified by the manufacturer. *I trust that anyone reading this thread will do their own research and also talk to breeders...

    Cheers

    PS. *To put dog food in the same category as Big Tobacco is a little emotive surely?

    PPS. The US problem specifically relates to Chinese Veg protein imported into the US and manufactured into food for various pets over there. The Royal Canin we get here is manufactured in France

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    ..ohh I totally agree with using bones as a sup to clean dogs teeth and keep them busy too :)

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    If you want to read how the tawdry artificial pet food industry parallels big tobacco I recommend Raw Meaty Bones *or Work Wonders by Sydney veterinarian Tom Lonsdale. How about if your dog gets periodontal disease from artificial pet food trying greenies to clean the teeth? Your dog may choke, but will have clean teeth. http://www.optimumchoices.com/Greenies.htm
    I can choose what I eat and read *the labels on processed items. Dogs *and cats eat what they are given, which should be what their dentition and digestive system supports and is safe to eat. Artificial pet food meets none of these criteria, as Tom Lonsdale makes clear.

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    Okay...Dencar Im not sure who makes that green stuff but thanks for the link (is it Royal Canin...given that was primarily who I was harping on about?). *I can see that you are a passionate advocate of animals and a firm believer in giving them raw bones and that you find all animal food producers quite repugnant...the beauty of a free world:) *I on the other hand take a different, I say more moderate, you may say unconcerned, approach to the issue. *I will stick with Royal Canin in the main for my animals (ohh...I give it to the British Shorthair pussy too...and so far no bowel obstruction) and I supplement with raw bones to clean their pearly whites and give them something to do when I am out. *Thats all I intend posting about the matter because otherwise we go around in circles. *But thanks very *much for the information that you posted, your concern about animals (because they have no voice) and your comments. *I do take them on board even if I have a different view after considering them

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Ozscott
    I spoke to the GS trainer/owner
    He said Oxley is a Good Dog Club, or RSPCA
    Important to grow & train him up slowly
    Training should be the basic commands up to 18 months
    CDX or Security training should commence after dog assessment and after 18 months of age
    Hope that helps

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    Thanks mate - their web site looks good.

    Cheers

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    I honestly dont mean to offend anyone,but in my opinion calling stuff like Hills,Iams,R.C and Euk premium quality dogfood is like calling Lavazza,Vittoria and Harris beans good quality coffee.

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    Re: Raw Diet for Pet Dogs & Cats

    Well the pup is 3 months old

    He is being fed a raw meat diet e.g. Raw Beef and chicken mince supplemented with small amounts of dry food and table scraps mainly vegetables

    Add to that
    Meaty Bones e.g. whole lamb necks & sometimes chicken necks

    Havent tried raw eggs or fish to date but will try him out raw eggs for breakfast soon as Col has suggested above

    He is growing fast

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