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    Its a bit sad, but honestly I think there should be a larger push for vegetarian / dairy / egg / gluten free type labeling. Maybe gluten free is a bit of a stretch, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3C25222B393F2D214C0 link=1210652095/285#285 date=1244156943
    Maybe gluten free is a bit of a stretch
    Why leave that out? Im required to keep a list of ingredients for anything served at the shop. Its there is people want to see it.

    Perhaps if manufacturers stopped putting wheat in just about everything we eat, there may one day be a reversal of what seems to me to be an increasing population who suffer an intolerance reaction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E6760697B7D6F630E0 link=1210652095/285#285 date=1244156943
    Its a bit sad, but honestly I think there should be a larger push for vegetarian / dairy / egg / gluten free type labeling. Maybe gluten free is a bit of a stretch, but still...
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    Used to be vegan. Now sometimes eat a little meat. Sometimes a little cheese.
    Generally diary makes me feel sick. Animal fat makes me queasy and leaves a horrible texture on my tongue. A lot of food I smell and taste and think "I like that, I dont like that, that smells good but it will make me sick" Probably the only food that I would say is wrong is milk. It smells like baby puke. I wouldnt say the texture in the mouth is disgusting I would discribe it as wrong. But in this site it is gold.

    If I saw a menu stating Tomato and Onion pie I would expect it NOT to have meat. I would expect an Apple pie NOT to have meat. Why should a pie have meat? Wouldnt a pie with meat be called a meat pie?

    I sorry but this really pisses me off. I find the view that food has to have some type of animal product in it really arrogant. When I see Curry pie I have to ask if it has meat? Whats wrong with Curried meat pie? If it has no meat: Curried Vegie pie. Simple.
    At the top of your menu put (Veg = Vegetarian) (V = Vegan), then the symbols next to the food. EASY!

    AAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! >:(

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    ^^^ Im all for good labelling, to help a customer choose appropriate to their tastes and dietary needs, but I think your point is a bit flawed there!

    1stly: Apple pie is a different beast - no one expects meat in a dessert pie, but in a savoury pie, unless it states Vego, I wouldnt just assume. It takes 2 seconds to ask.

    Bassway, youre saying that if it says "tomato and onion" you assume no meat, but then go on to say label it better. Many people might be just as disappointed to get a tom and onion pie with no meat in it - clearer labelling would be the way to go, but assumptions either way leads to dissatisfaction and is readily fixed by just asking.

    It comes back to the old problem of are we in the customer service industry or the psychic happiness detection business?

    Any decent place, if you tell them "I want low salt/no meat/ sugar free/ gluten free/ handwashed by monks" will give you options that they offer that fit those needs. With the great array of variations now available to people, its just as arrogant to assume that your particular concern is going to be tailored to on first glance, on every item, in every shop.

    Its not like nobody makes vego pies - ask for it, and if it isnt offered go where it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 11303B3B3C26550 link=1210652095/286#286 date=1244158696
    Perhaps if manufacturers stopped putting wheat in just about everything we eat, there may one day be a reversal of what seems to me to be an increasing population who suffer an intolerance reaction.
    Sheesh. We have solicitors carry out conveyancy for contracts. The way things are going, theyll be required managing lunch orders >:(

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    It comes back to the old problem of are we in the customer service industry or the psychic happiness detection business?
    Here here! Its a simple process of ask the question!

    Ive had a peanut allergy all my life (potentially fatal, not pretty). Easy to deal with though, it means you ask if something has peanuts in it! Nothing revolutionary there!

    "Assumption" very dangerous beast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 565E57525852544E483B0 link=1210652095/288#288 date=1244162972
    1stly: Apple pie is a different beast - no one expects meat in a dessert pie, but in a savoury pie, unless it states Vego, I wouldnt just assume. It takes 2 seconds to ask.
    That was in reference to "Um...yes..." I replied. "Its a pie." I was beginning to wonder what he thought was in a curry pie but didnt bother to ask...

    Quote Originally Posted by 565E57525852544E483B0 link=1210652095/288#288 date=1244162972
    Bassway, youre saying that if it says "tomato and onion" you assume no meat, but then go on to say label it better. Many people might be just as disappointed to get a tom and onion pie with no meat in it - clearer labelling would be the way to go, but assumptions either way leads to dissatisfaction and is readily fixed by just asking.
    Meat, tomato and onion pie. Easy.
    One of the bakeries that I drive pass every day can do it.
    They do;
    Beef, tomato and onion pie.
    Beef and mushroom pie.
    Chicken, cheese and vegetable pie.
    Mushroom pie.

    Guess what? The mushroom pie has no meat. The Beef and mushroom pie does. Easy.
    Why does a savoury have to have meat?
    This is what I am getting at.

    Oh a customer asked for a Tomato and Onion pie. He almost spat it out. He said it has meat in it. I say its a pie. Ha ha ha.

    Sorry but that just isnt funny. >:(

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    ^^^ Thats nice of that store to do that.
    Other stores may or may not.

    But you are in control of one thing: whether or not you ask.

    Not every savoury thing has to have meat in it, but it doesnt hurt to ask, if you dont want to have a meat savoury dish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5754464642544C350 link=1210652095/291#291 date=1244165268
    Guess what? The mushroom pie has no meat.
    What does it have in the pastry?
    What do they use as a gravy?
    Are the mushrooms certified organic?
    Have the utensils and cooking gear being used been in contact with any meat products?

    In AU pies have tradititionally contained meat. I dont know why you expect everything to be listed. If you really need that then the safest thing to do is not to eat out, or just ask for a vegetarian pie and pray they respect your wishes.

    Or better yet, get a sausage roll. Im pretty sure they only contain sawdust. ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0B2A2121263C4F0 link=1210652095/293#293 date=1244170489

    Or better yet, get a sausage roll. *Im pretty sure they only contain sawdust. *;D
    Now thats funny. ;D

    I suppose I do have to realise that I live in a redneck christain country that believe food needs to bleed out to be called food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72716363677169100 link=1210652095/294#294 date=1244170758

    Now thats funny. ;D

    I suppose I do have to realise that I live in a redneck christain country that believe food needs to bleed out to be called food.

    Ummm,

    That would be a Jewish thing, not a Christian one.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2023313135233B420 link=1210652095/294#294 date=1244170758
    I suppose I do have to realise that I live in a redneck christain Country that believe food needs to bleed out to be called food. *
    Not sure what religion has to do with it.

    But for pure taste alone you cannot go past meat (steak in particular) that is cook rare, it just bursts with flavour, if you dont like it or choose not to eat meat then thats your choice in life.
    Sorry to sound harsh but do the majority have to go out of their way to accomodate the minority. Just did a google and being generous i would think the % of population that are vegan or vegitarian wouldnt be more than 10%.

    I agree as already stated
    Quote Originally Posted by 2F272E2B212B2D3731420 link=1210652095/292#292 date=1244166811
    But you are in control of one thing: whether or not you ask.
    so why put that responsibilty onto someone else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2023313135233B420 link=1210652095/294#294 date=1244170758
    I suppose I do have to realise that I live in a redneck christain country that believe food needs to bleed out to be called food. *
    Maybe you should watch a lamb commercial by Sam Kekovich!

    I think he speaks for us in the majority!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7576646460766E170 link=1210652095/287#287 date=1244159858
    Used to be vegan. Now sometimes eat a little meat. Sometimes a little cheese.
    Why?

    Oh, and when you say Vegan, that would mean you excluded the use of animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose...right?

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    Ducking for cover...Im one of those tree hugging bloody hippies (lactose vegetarian). I dont mind needing to ask and ensure those serving me know what exactly I am asking for (and being the society we are assuming EVERYTHING has meat in it)...but what really p*sses me off is when people lie about it either thinking it is funny or in an attempt to get a sale anyway when they know you will walk if they tell you the truth >:(. I will gladly speak highly of an establishment that states I am sorry but we cannot cater for that. I will forever dish any establishment that lies to me or picks meat out of a dish and then serves it to me.

    Oh, and we can taste it. When you havent eaten meat for a while it takes on an odour that is very distinguishable even in minute quantities. Sort of like dead flesh...funny that.

    Please dont attack the hippy too much. I am not political about it, and dont care what you eat. But dont lie about what you serve me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57474B4B50457B434548240 link=1210652095/283#283 date=1244155230
    I know its barista venting and seeing as I am a barista, all this talk reminds me of the customer recently who came in at the end of the day. He stared at the menus above my head for what seemed like ages and then declared that hed have a tomato and onion pie.

    After taking one bite, he practically spat it out in front of me and said "Its got MEAT in it!"

    "Um...yes..." I replied. "Its a pie."

    He then went on to explain how misleading our menus were and that they should be changed to reflect that all the pies have meat in them (as he was a vegetarian). I was beginning to wonder what he thought was in a curry pie but didnt bother to ask... Shocked

    Roll Eyes
    I kid you NOT.......
    We used to make up a few Vegemite and Peanut Butter sandwiches for the coffee vans. Due only to customer requests, and people being too lazy to prepare sandwiches themselves.

    We once got chastised badly by a customer because the Peanut Butter sandwich did not have a label warning it contained Peanuts.

    We used to have customers refer to Sausage rolls as "Beef Rolls". I would politely point out that the meat in the sausage roll may not be limited to only beef, and may contain other meats. Some customers then changed their order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E3F283130373C31275E0 link=1210652095/299#299 date=1244178781
    Ducking for cover...Im one of those tree hugging bloody hippies (lactose vegetarian).
    I dont think thats any reason to duck for cover.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0E3F283130373C31275E0 link=1210652095/299#299 date=1244178781
    when people lie about it either thinking it is funny or in an attempt to get a sale anyway
    That behaviour you describe is disgusting, and I absolutely agree with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by 0E3F283130373C31275E0 link=1210652095/299#299 date=1244178781
    Please dont attack the hippy too much.
    Not attacking the hippy - just defending the omnivore. *But yes, I do find it ridiculous when ppl describe themselves as being vegetarian, yet eat chicken and/or fish; a vegan that eats honey or wears a woolen jumper and sits on leather sofas, or anyone who has a cold and calls it the flu!

    Slightly more on topic...

    Im not too fond of push bike riders either and I know there are plenty of CSers who are, so apologise if I am about to cause offense. *The ones I dislike are the Sunday riders who descend on a cafe like a plague, re-arrange the furniture to their liking, have a coffee, gaggle like geese, leave the place in disarray, and think theyve done you a favour.

    Please note: Cuppacoffee is closed on Sundays. *;D



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    Dont knock Man Flu, its the most dibilatating thing around, puts a bloke on his back for several days.

    No Barista Venting, but "Video Shop Owner" venting -

    When playing DVDs on a player that cost you $12 from the local market, odds are it will skip, jump, pixelate etc Dont blame the disc

    DVDs are designed to be put back in the case after use, not left on the carpet for your kids to skate across.

    DVDs dont make good dinner plates, there is no reason for there to be reminents of snack foods left on the disc, and on that note Dont get me started on what should not be in the case of a DVD from our "little room", just ewwwwwwww




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    Quote Originally Posted by 10313A3A3D27540 link=1210652095/302#302 date=1244187252
    a vegan that eats honey or wears a woolen jumper and sits on leather sofas
    Yes, for a very brief (and insane) period I did try eating no animal products (insane because I actually love milk and cheese (yes non animal rennet) whereas I have never liked meat).

    Many people would say, "ohhh...so you are vegan". I would reply, no...I ride motorbikes and really enjoy the protection that leather gives (not to mention love wool products)...and would get the weirdest WTF looks back...I think most people dont get the fact that vegan means no animal products AT ALL, not just in your mouth.

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    The majority of people in this country eat meat.
    If you dont, sorry but its your cross to bear.
    Ive found Im eating a little meat less these days; usually by having one meat free dinner per week; reason being I feel a bit sluggish if Ive eaten a lot recently.

    Ive become allergic to avocados.
    If I eat some now I exhibit heart attack type signs and symptoms; I get pains in my chest area (actually a swelling of my oesophagus I think, my skin goes pale and clammy etc.

    I need to either throw it up to lessen the time to recovery or sit and wait for everything to go back to normal.

    So what do I do?
    I ask.
    "Does that {insert food item} contain avocado?"
    If it does I choose something else.
    Their problem or mine? Mine.

    Id guess most vegetarians would have no problem with eating avocado.
    Whats the chance that if one owned a sandwich shop they might not think to list it as an ingredient in a salad sandwich? After all its a nice healthy fruit (not yucky meat).
    I reckon 50/50.

    80/20 rule should apply (in this case 90/10).
    The minority are not entitled to force upon the majority, their whims and wants.

    If it were possible, Coffee Snobs wouldnt struggle to find a good coffee when outside their own home.

    Pushy vegetarians do themselves no favours with an aggressive attitude.
    You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F6E796061666D60760F0 link=1210652095/304#304 date=1244189829
    I think most people dont get the fact that vegan means no animal products AT ALL
    Reminds me of fasting for Easter (being Greek Orthodox). We cant drink wine because it used to be kept in animal skins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 625E4358525344515952360 link=1210652095/305#305 date=1244191614
    You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
    Maybe, but you get more flies with meat. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 74574E5D41380 link=1210652095/306#306 date=1244192424
    Maybe, but you get more flies with meat. Grin
    Couldnt let that one go without a comment.

    I didnt see it coming.

    Score = 9.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by 536F7269636275606863070 link=1210652095/305#305 date=1244191614
    Pushy vegetarians do themselves no favours with an aggressive attitude
    :o Was this in response to my posts? Or something else?

    My posts were exactly agreeing with you TG...it is my choice and my problem to sort out when ordering out. My comment was dont lie to me when serving me...I even said how I praise establishments who state "sorry but we cannot cater for that".

    I am not at all pushy. I dont think others should choose what I choose. And as my first post on the topic stated...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7445524B4A4D464B5D240 link=1210652095/299#299 date=1244178781
    Please dont attack the hippy too much. I am not political about it, and dont care what you eat.
    And forgive me if Im totally off track and you werent referring to my posts :)

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    This discussion about *what customers "coulda, shoulda, woulda" expect in Australia goes a long way to explaining exactly why Phil Di Bellas business will continue to gain the accolades it does and continue to expand while "Larrys Local Lunchbar" *or "RuffAsGuts Roasters"will forever struggle to keep their heads above water until their entirely predictable demise or conversion to a multi national clone.

    Surely, until "we" as a nation learn to at least exceed, if not surpass customer expectations, then "we" are condemning ourselves to mediocrity.

    Or, worse still, condemning ourselves to being subject to the whims of some multi national conglomerate. *

    Even to the most hard headed bean counter, the benefits of the type of "service" vs the "cost" are inestimable.

    For goodness sakes, if labelling food types just to simply make things better for potential consumers is "too hard," *"unnecessary", "too much trouble" or not traditional, how the h**l will we ever progress past Nescafe and McDonalds ??



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    Quote Originally Posted by 393C21213930273A203B3138343B550 link=1210652095/309#309 date=1244202751
    This discussion aboutwhat customers "coulda, shoulda, woulda" expect in Australia goes a long way to explaining exactly why Phil Di Bellas business will continue to gain the accolades it does and continue to expand
    Well, there you go. And here I was thinking that Phil was astute, served good coffee, and surrounded himself with good people.

    The mantra of the 1995 call centre industry....

    Quote Originally Posted by 393C21213930273A203B3138343B550 link=1210652095/309#309 date=1244202751
    until "we" as a nation learn to at least exceed, if not surpass customer expectations, then "we" are condemning ourselves to mediocrity
    Who would have thought that a discussion about pies, vegetarianism, or the silly/funny things people say and do would lead to...

    Quote Originally Posted by 393C21213930273A203B3138343B550 link=1210652095/309#309 date=1244202751
    condemning ourselves being subject to the whims of some multi national conglomerate
    Quote Originally Posted by 393C21213930273A203B3138343B550 link=1210652095/309#309 date=1244202751
    For goodness sakes, if labelling food types just to simply make things better for potential consumers is "too hard,""unnecessary", "too much trouble" or not traditional, how the h**l will we ever progress past Nescafe and McDonalds
    Nescafe and McDonalds already label food types. Youre right...lets follow in their footsteps...after all, they ARE dominant world players.

    Just for the moment, Im happy conquering my little corner of the world. And Im pleased to know my patrons dont think Im a roughasguts roaster. I share pleasantries with them, we have a laugh together, I know many of their names and the names of their children, their personal problems and triumphs too.

    So you know what? Im not going to take your advice. Instead, Im going to keep enjoying what I do, the way I do it.

    Cheers!
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    [movedhere] Barista Venting [move by] Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4574637A7B7C777A6C150 link=1210652095/308#308 date=1244201509
    And forgive me if Im totally off track and you werent referring to my posts
    Nothing to forgive. My bad.
    By the time I posted (I took a while to write it) a few others posted before me.So no, I wasnt referring to your post, someone elses.
    The comment stands alone well enough though as a general one from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by 797C61617970677A607B7178747B150 link=1210652095/309#309 date=1244202751
    For goodness sakes, if labelling food types just to simply make things better for potential consumers is "too hard,""unnecessary", "too much trouble" or not traditional, how the h**l will we ever progress past Nescafe and McDonalds ??
    I think youve got this bit wrong.
    If every food shop everywhere had to list everything to the nth degree to cater for all minorities, there wouldnt be room on the walls for anything else and thered be so much writing no one would be able to find what they wanted anyway.

    My father ran a successful cafe back in the 60s and a few other food retail businesses in the years thereafter.
    I worked behind the counter with him in some of them.
    He was a brilliant businessman.
    Theres no way I could do what he could.
    Customers came miles out of there way to buy from him because he had standards.
    The food was excellent.
    Top quality.
    Clean premises.
    Knowledgeable service.

    When we sold hamburgers the customers ordered a hamburger.
    Funnily, no one ever complained there was meat in them or for that matter, that they didnt contain ham.
    If they wanted extras they asked for them.
    If they didnt want their bun buttered they asked for that too (the second time, because the first time they would have got butter).

    He was quite happy to make them what they asked for but theres no way he would have listed a "meat pie"
    It was "pie".
    A "vegetable pie" might get a run but then again hed probably rather sell you a vegetable pasty; less chance of of picking up the wrong one.

    Ill say it again.
    I dont expect the world to look out for my avocado allergy.
    The other minorities should just pipe down and look after themselves without asking shop owners to list all ingredients for them and other unnecessary wastes of time and money.

    Talk to them; it wont kill you.
    Do you just want to walk in an ask for a No. 12, pay and walk out, without any friendly interaction?

    Heres a thought.
    Vegetarians are cruel.
    Some people believe plants have feelings.
    Carrots cant run.

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    So you know what? *Im not going to take your advice. *Instead, Im going to keep enjoying what I do, the way I do it.

    Cheers!
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    Q.E.D.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A766B707A7B6C79717A1E0 link=1244156944/28#28 date=1244209929
    Heres a thought.
    Vegetarians are cruel.
    Some people believe plants have feelings.
    Carrots cant run. *
    I remember a sketch by Marty Feldman on this very subject. He asserted that vegetables have feelings too, and went on to mimic the sound of a carrot being pulled from the ground.

    BTW, isnt it better to for the environment to leave the vegies in the ground to produce oxygen? And to eat methane belching cattle, to reduce greenhouse gases? *;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 494C51514940574A504B4148444B250 link=1244156944/27#27 date=1244212622
    Q.E.D.

    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69484343445E2D0 link=1244156944/30#30 date=1244237496
    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
    atswhay atthay eanmay enDay? :P

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    The funniest part of me being vego is the amount of time I spend in the meat section of the supermarket and at the butcher next door to it picking the best meats for my dog! Hes on a very strict low fat diet (due to previous pancreatitis, not because hes fat) so I only trust buying him good quality human grade meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D4C5B4243444F42542D0 link=1244156944/32#32 date=1244248329
    The funniest part of me being vego is the amount of time I spend in the meat section of the supermarket and at the butcher next door to it picking the best meats for my dog! Hes on a very strict low fat diet (due to previous pancreatitis, not because hes fat) so I only trust buying him good quality human grade meat.
    The least he can do for you then is to learn how to find truffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4478657E747562777F74100 link=1244156944/33#33 date=1244248778
    The least he can do for you then is to learn how to find truffles
    Mmmmmmm.....Trufflesssssss.......I wish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7544534A4B4C474A5C250 link=1244156944/32#32 date=1244248329
    picking the best meats for my dog! Hes on a very strict low fat diet
    Kangaroo. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1244156944/35#35 date=1244254732
    Kangaroo.

    Yes, he gets lots of Roomeat...but I avoid the pet packaged ones as they are literally dripping in sulphur dioxide (I think thats the chemical they use?) and it really upsets his tummy.

    Am a huge proponent of Roomeat (and Im vego! Go figure.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7445524B4A4D464B5D240 link=1244156944/36#36 date=1244259163
    Quote Originally Posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1244156944/35#35 date=1244254732
    Kangaroo.

    Yes, he gets lots of Roomeat...but I avoid the pet packaged ones as they are literally dripping in sulphur dioxide (I think thats the chemical they use?) and it really upsets his tummy.

    Am a huge proponent of Roomeat (and Im vego! Go figure.)
    Thats one reason I started the raw food diet post for my new mate (puppy)

    I now feed him exclusively a Raw Meaty Bones diet
    Take your time but you need to read through this site
    http://www.rawmeatybones.com/petowners.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by 193D343437370D193D213F3D520 link=1244156944/37#37 date=1244264274
    Thats one reason I started the raw food diet post for my new mate (puppy)

    I now feed him exclusively a Raw Meaty Bones diet
    Take your time but you need to read through this site
    http://www.rawmeatybones.com/petowners.php

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    Once exams are over (I should stop distracting from study by looking on CS) I will go an check it out.

    I have read Give Your Dog a Bone which I am imagining is in a similar vain?

    Our boy has mostly been on this sort of diet (raw meat and bones with some vege scraps added in), though it is topped up with some manufactured dog food in the form of kibble...a prescription one for post pancreatitis. We just have to be more careful now as to what meat and bones he gets...cant have too much marrow and needs to avoid all pig meat and overly fatty cuts of other animals.

    Good to see more and more dogs getting back onto raw meat and bones, and less cooked and processed stuff.

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    I have a funny one when it comes to someone of the very strict vegetarian persuasion.

    I was in the Army Reserve for about 7 years up until 8 years ago.

    We had a man join the Reserves and, like me, become a radio operator.

    He was a strict vegetarian and had to have special meals made for him, despite the fact that we were about 25km from Weipa in the remote North of Queensland on exercise. Spent hours a day swapping rations with people because he was vegetarian and, whenever there were fresh rations, had to have his meal specially made up.

    Yet...

    He wore his leather army boots like the rest of us (even though he was a vegetarian because of cruelty to animals) and no qualms about joining a defence force where you were taught to shoot to kill a human.

    Funny how his values disappeared when it came to earning some tax free dollars from the Government, but found them again when it came to getting nice fresh specialty cooked meals and bludging everyones decent tinned rations in the name of his ethics (and yes, the non-meat tinned rations were the best in the ration packs because they at least werent rubbery!)

    Let me tell you quietly, that man made my teeth itch and gave me a very strong bias against vegetarians for a very long time. Still raises my hackles when I think of him.

    Fortunately, the longer Ive been around on this great Earth, Ive realised that not all vegetarians are that hypocritical and self-centred...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0233243D3C3B303D2B520 link=1244156944/37#37 date=1244265434
    We just have to be more careful now as to what meat and bones he gets...cant have too much marrow and needs to avoid all pig meat and overly fatty cuts of other animals.
    My dog loves whole Lamb necks
    I feed him meat on the bone not fatty bones
    Why dont you give it a go

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    Quote Originally Posted by 183C353536360C183C203E3C530 link=1244156944/39#39 date=1244334049
    My dog loves whole Lamb necks
    I feed him meat on the bone not fatty bones
    Why dont you give it a go

    KK
    He does get meat on the bone, including lamb necks. Basically he gets whatever looks the best at the butcher/supermarket (that isnt pig) on each occasion. I am biased toward buyig him roomeat (very low fat, and come on Aussies we should be buying up roomeat in mass quantities - a very healthy meat option with plenty of it all around) and select cuts of lamb (because its my boys favourite).

    We are left topping it all up with prescription kibble because he really cannot have too much fat...nearly lost him last time, not going through that again! If he didnt have such problems I would be sticking to a 100% fresh raw food diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58697E6766616A6771080 link=1244156944/40#40 date=1244337688
    I am biased toward buyig him roomeat (very low fat, and come on Aussies we should be buying up roomeat in mass quantities

    Roo meat is good if cooked hot and fast.

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    I like roo meat but have to cook it when my wife is not around.

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    Im with the good wife, TG - the smell of it cooking (or anything gamey, in fact) makes me dry retch...

    On the opposite side of the coin, Pete says that the smell of my boiling up a batch of Chai makes him feel ill and says the house smells like a hot cross bun!

    Ah, bugger, its just started raining again! :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F786E7C64170 link=1244156944/43#43 date=1244349478
    Ah, bugger, its just started raining again!
    Dont worry; were in the middle of a drought, it shouldnt last long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 446375677F0C0 link=1244156944/43#43 date=1244349478
    Pete says that the smell of my boiling up a batch of Chai makes him feel ill and says the house smells like a hot cross bun!
    Whats he got against hot cross buns? Freshly baked, IMO they are one of the great smells!

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    I agree, but he doesnt.

    I think its just a whinge for the sake of a whinge personally but, hey, I just do up my chai when he isnt around (talking of which, I better do some up tonight - hes now due back from his motorcycling adventures tomorrow!)

    I whine about a lot more things than he ever will, so I cant come down too heavily on him, I guess!

    BtW - Rain only lasted 5 minutes and was gone again, thank goodness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4C5A4850230 link=1244156944/46#46 date=1244357033
    BtW - Rain only lasted 5 minutes and was gone again, thank goodness!
    What did I tell you?
    If a Thundergod doesnt know these things who would? ::)

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    I dont think I get it :(

    Guys, no one is going to complain because of extra labeling that could be made rather innocuous and quite cute.

    For emphasis, no one (who isnt a bitter misanthrope) will complain about extra labeling.

    But who is going to gain? People in those demographics. Theyll feel appreciated, right? It just seems... sensible to me.

    To defend against inevitable (non-joking) replies: I grew up on a farm. I have killed animals to eat their flesh. Meat tastes pretty good, but I choose to not eat it. Im aware of what a rare steak tastes like, and have almost surely eaten more kinds of animals and more parts of them than you. Im not a vegetarian because Im unaware of these things.

    On a side note, please dont "brag" about eating meat to vegetarians. An analogy: Do you know anyone who does illicit drugs? Do they tell you, "Hey man, this heroin, its amazing?"

    How does that make you feel?

    Its just kind of weird, isnt it? Its the same thing. Please dont act like a child, if someone doesnt partake in something that you happen to, dont brag about it to them. Its weird.

    Do you drink? Thats fine but please dont offer beers repeatedly to someone who doesnt.
    Do you eat meat? Again, thats fine dont go on a tirade about how fantastic steaks are.
    Heterosexual? Amazing for you. Im sure your gay friends dont really need to hear about how wonderful members of the opposite sex are.
    Church goer? Great. But for someone of a different faith, or no faith at all, its really really horrible to listen to someone talk about this.
    etc.

    Summary: Some people make different life choices to you! How wacky, right? These are their choices to make, and of course you are free to disagree, but try to avoid treating them like freaks.

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    Is it just me or is this thread rant city? ::)

    Get informed, ask the questions you need answered and feed yourself what you choose in a balanced diet (or not, if you prefer).

    Dont impose your views on others.....



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