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    No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61574C531657250 link=1250739532/6#6 date=1250772030
    We work from home, so believe me, time taken making coffee is money lost.
    "Work / Life balance".

    I get paid a lot of money where I work and the boss doesnt mind my taking a coffee break twice a day.

    I still deliver my 8 hours a day but recharge a couple of times in order to deliver to my (and his) high standards.

    If you arent working 24/7 then it doesnt wash with me that you cant squeeze in some time for coffee.

    Im a process auditor, so if you can prove it to me Im willing to be corrected.

    What it boils down to (pun intended) is you starting 15 minutes earlier to fit in the first coffee and working back an extra 15 to accommodate a 2nd one.

    How much money are you losing in toilet breaks???? *::)


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 03352E317435470 link=1250739532/8#8 date=1250777143
    Oh I take mine espresso! the rest of my family use milk. Espresso all the way for me! :)
    And

    Quote Originally Posted by 03352E317435470 link=1250739532/6#6 date=1250772030
    The reason im looking for automatic is that we dont have time making it ourselves. We work from home, so believe me, time taken making coffee is money lost.
    I am working from home, but unless I was trading on the stock floor and a few seconds away from the screen meant loosing money... Or I was in a hospital and operating on some one... I do not see how a few moments away is going to cost you money / output....

    Be it a formal break or just a quick coffee, the time away from the screen and or communication with outers is a big part of being truly productive and team work..

    It is not that we hate Autos... They have a place, but your implied use and assumptions as to what it will involve / Cost Vs Userbility and functionality appears to be missing some key information / data.

    Maybe there is more to what your doing at home... But I can not think or what, that would require the output / TAT..

    However it is your choice...

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 46706B743170020 link=1250739532/6#6 date=1250772030
    The reason im looking for automatic is that we dont have time making it ourselves.
    One of the things I like best is the calming nature of the ritual. Making a coffee on a manual machine really doesnt take long and is quite an enjoyable timeout.

    As a society, we complain of not having enough time yet we have more leisure time now that we have ever had in history. We work less, have equipment and appliances that make life easier (cars, dishwashers, automatic washing machines, etc).

    Cast a critical eye on your true work cycle and hopefully, youll surprise yourself with a few minutes you found for coffee.

    ;)

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 77425B510504320 link=1250739532/13#13 date=1250815309
    we have more leisure time now that we have ever had in history.We work less
    Id have to disagree...and so would statistical evidence. We actually work longer hours than our parents did. ;)

    DRIV3R, if you happen to live in Sydney, youre welcome to call in to our shop (cuppacoffee). Ill show you how you can make an espresso from scratch in 35 seconds or less and add another 10 for milk based drinks.

    If you dont have that much time to spare, and time is too precious, then you have the money to employ someone in your home/office, and occupy them with a combination of admin and coffee making duties.

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A6B6060677D0E0 link=1250739532/14#14 date=1250816286
    We actually work longer hours than our parents did.
    Well have to agree to disagree on that one ;)

    In Australia between 1974 and 1997 there has been no appreciable change in working hours one way, rather a significant redistribution along gender lines. Beyond that time frame however, there has been a reduction.

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Stats show the aggregate monthly hours have increased over the last 24 years. This would suggest that at least some of us are working longer hours/

    http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/meisubs.nsf/0/4E14A82D554588E0CA2576090017642C/$File/62020_jul%202009.pdf



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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Disagree all you like Epic. Dont know where you get your stats from. Mine are from the ABS....

    "Average weekly hours worked for full-time and part-time workers have increased over the last two decades. Full-time working hours for men increased by 1.9 hours per week to 43.2 hours between 1985 and 2005 and for women by 1.7 hours to 39.3 hours. Part-time hours worked by men increased 0.7 hours to 16.4 hours over the same period and for women by 1.4 hours to 16.9 hours per week."

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyTopic/E111F049FC1C810ECA2571B0008274B2?OpenDocument

    Sorry to be OT - just couldnt let that go! ;D


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    "There has been a slight decline in the average weekly hours worked by all Australian workers over the last two decades. The decline in average hours is the result of....."

    Source: YOUR quoted source (ABS) *http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....2!OpenDocument

    Youre quoting cherry-picked data subsets in an attempt to support your belief Dennis. *Ever considered a career in politics? ;)


    Flynn,
    * The graph youve posted depicts aggregate hours. *Total hours worked in the economy as opposed to average hours worked per person, thats why the X axis is in the millions. *Id definately need a cuppa after working 1,600,000,000 hours! * :P

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 794C555F0B0A3C0 link=1250739532/18#18 date=1250820785
    Flynn,
    The graph youve posted depicts aggregate hours.Total hours worked in the economy as opposed to average hours worked per person, thats why the X axis is in the millions.Id definately need a cuppa after working 1,600,000,000 hours!
    Yes, I grabbed a stat quickly and should have checked it more throughly but Den found a more telling one; the one I was looking for. But stats could settle this argument, not sure about cherry picked as it is based on census data, not sample. What are you basing yours on? Personal experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by 794C555F0B0A3C0 link=1250739532/13#13 date=1250815309
    yet we have more leisure time now that we have ever had in history

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Wow, take it easy guys, whats with personal attacks? no need to copy and paste my own comments for me, i know what i said. Let me clarify my working situation before you take your shotguns out and shoot me for seeking help in choosing a coffee machine!

    Home based business=Contracted construction site, we are all dipped in dirt, have lunch and coffee breaks but most people want to take their coffee and go sit where they want, we tried making our own but ended up with ready made coffee!

    Its not about taking time and no i disagree with you, its not 35 sec for espresso and add 10 sec for milk, are you kidding me? I suppose you forgot about cleaning, washing up, preparing, then moving aside for the next person to make their own coffee, its just not possible, not to mention we have to washup before touching the fridge.

    Guys instead of being judgmental, be realistic, not everyone is working infront of laptop or have a desk job.

    I do pretty ok with earning money but i cannot justify an extra employee to make coffee for us. Frankly, i thought i would get better advice in here!

    Thanks to those who gave some advice eg Java.

    I will just go to Clive Peters or HN store and pick something up.

    Cheers


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 565C495E5E514543300 link=1250739532/19#19 date=1250822265
    Quote Originally Posted by 794C555F0B0A3C0 link=1250739532/18#18 date=1250820785
    Flynn,
    The graph youve posted depicts aggregate hours.Total hours worked in the economy as opposed to average hours worked per person, thats why the X axis is in the millions.Id definately need a cuppa after working 1,600,000,000 hours!
    Yes, I grabbed a stat quickly and should have checked it more throughly but Den found a more telling one; the one I was looking for. But stats could settle this argument, not sure about cherry picked as it is based on census data, not sample. What are you basing yours on? Personal experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by 794C555F0B0A3C0 link=1250739532/13#13 date=1250815309
    yet we have more leisure time now that we have ever had in history
    This is all off topic and is BIASED what ever way you want to look at it...

    1: I work many more hrs than ever before..

    2: I also have more leisure time due to availability and technology

    3: My work hrs is not always 9 - 5 and my leisure is not always on the weekends, OT and other additional hrs, are not always recorded in any formal process...

    4: Stats have also changed with the changes in jobs and job profiles.. Issues of stand ars and ADO / RDO and other arrangements complicate the stats and make it very easy for one to access the data one needs to drive a particular focus...

    A mod needs to move this to OT... ASAP..


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 76405B440140320 link=1250739532/20#20 date=1250822646
    Wow, take it easy guys, whats with personal attacks? no need to copy and paste my own comments for me, i know what i said. Let me clarify my working situation before you take your shotguns out and shoot me for seeking help in choosing a coffee machine!

    Home based business=Contracted construction site, we are all dipped in dirt, have lunch and coffee breaks but most people want to take their coffee and go sit where they want, we tried making our own but ended up with ready made coffee!

    Its not about taking time and no i disagree with you, its not 35 sec for espresso and add 10 sec for milk, are you kidding me? I suppose you forgot about cleaning, washing up, preparing, then moving aside for the next person to make their own coffee, its just not possible, not to mention we have to washup before touching the fridge.

    Guys instead of being judgmental, be realistic, not everyone is working infront of laptop or have a desk job.

    I do pretty ok with earning money but i cannot justify an extra employee to make coffee for us. Frankly, i thought i would get better advice in here!

    Thanks to those who gave some advice eg Java.

    I will just go to Clive Peters or HN store and pick something up.

    Cheers
    Quoting is not meant as an insult or tossing in your face... It helps to put things into context.. *:)

    The advice being provided is Realistic... It is from experience *8-) *and every machine requires

    " cleaning, washing up, preparing, then moving aside for the next person to make their own coffee, its just not possible, not to mention we have to washup before touching the fridge."

    Automatics inparticular are very touchy if not fully maintained.. *:o

    You never mentioned a Construction company before... Just ya family... This is the extra context that is needed if you want value added responses... Thus I implied in post 12... But never clarified by You...

    If this was detailed at the out set... Then you would have revived different answers..

    In addition, Autos are not going to solve teh cup problem; unless you use disposables and they can still be used on a manual / semi auto machine.. Then you have to manage all teh milk scum and follow a ridgid cleaning process... Just read teh Users manual... RTFM *;)

    However, the final decision is all yours and considering your *lack of detail and the response when you did not get what YOU wanted... *I am glad I do not work Clive Peters or HN..

    Best of luck in your new adventures... ;)

    I cant be botherd.. *Ignore option activated.






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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    I had a laugh Driv3r. I havent noticed any personal attacks here, but each to their own perception.

    If you can find a machine from HN or anyone else that makes a good espresso, does the cleaning/washing, etc. let me know - I want one! :D


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 11273C236627550 link=1250739532/20#20 date=1250822646
    Wow, take it easy guys, whats with personal attacks? no need to copy and paste my own comments for me, i know what i said.
    Hmmm..I dont see persoanl attacks, robust debate maybe ;). Quoting is valid as it saves readers from going back and reading what they said and allows them to see how the respondant may have interpreted it. So allow me to remind you of this:


    Quote Originally Posted by 11273C236627550 link=1250739532/0#0 date=1250739532
    Guys, im saying thank you in advance for any kind of reply.
    Only because "you asked for it" ;D


    Quote Originally Posted by 143B32302718343B34323038303B21550 link=1250739532/21#21 date=1250822749
    This is all off topic
    Nope, the OP said
    dont have time
    .

    Time is a criterion in Driv3rs choice of machine and is what we have been discussing, though perhaps veering a little off-course.

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o


    The way I read it, everything in this thread would be more appropriate in the humour section. ;D


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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 01202B2B2C36450 link=1250805587/3#3 date=1250816286
    Id have to disagree...and so would statistical evidence.We actually work longer hours than our parents did.
    Totally agree with this one, my father did a 37.5 hr week and had the opportunity of flexi time. I generally do a minium of 50 and more in the order of 60, the only time i get down around 37.5 is when i take annual leave.

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Regardless of stats pointing to working longer hours, whats missing in this debate is addressing the nature of work and how its evolved over 2-3 decades. Honing in on quantitative differences but forgetting qualitative differences skews the picture.

    The irony of technological advances is that IT was meant to streamline processes, and thus enhance efficiency & performance (meaning less hours at work). The reality is that people sit like zombies in front of a computer doing sweet FA for a lot of the time and not geting work done! So, we may be working longer, but only because were less productive with time-management due to the facade of working while in fact a lot of wasted time is spent deleting spam e-mails, and other crap on the PC in front of you.

    Theres a difference between working and being at your job, essentially.

    And no, Im not a Luddite ... ;)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

    I appreciate technology for its place, not replacement.

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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Quote Originally Posted by 784D56515B70517B5A525E515B3F0 link=1250805587/17#17 date=1250915363
    people sit like zombies in front of a computer doing sweet FA for a lot of the time
    Quote Originally Posted by 784D56515B70517B5A525E515B3F0 link=1250805587/17#17 date=1250915363
    we may be working longer, but only because were less productive with time-management
    Hmm. Far better to hand-write at a maximum of 25wpm than type at an average of well above 40. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by 784D56515B70517B5A525E515B3F0 link=1250805587/17#17 date=1250915363
    a lot of wasted time is spent deleting spam e-mails
    Quote Originally Posted by 784D56515B70517B5A525E515B3F0 link=1250805587/17#17 date=1250915363
    And no, Im not a Luddite
    If you dont have a program to do it for you, then you are a luddite Tony.

    Im not sure if your children are of school age. Though if they are, you will know that the expectations placed upon them are more diverse and more intensive than those that were expected of their parents. The workplace is no different. Where once there existed a barrage of staff to accomplish individual facets of production, now, fewer staff numbers are expected to know and accomplish more. Im not saying one way is better than the other.

    I do know that my parents worked what was then an average 40 hour week. When it came 5pm on Friday work was non-existent till the following Monday. The weekend break was sacrosanct. Nowadays I see people stopping in to buy a coffee on their way to work, and on the phone resolving issues, setting up the days events, etc. This is just one simple example of work that is unlikely to be factored into the statistics. And these people havent even arrived at the office.

    Quote Originally Posted by 784D56515B70517B5A525E515B3F0 link=1250805587/17#17 date=1250915363
    Theres a difference between working and being at your job
    Im not too sure what you mean by this. In the times when Ive worked in an office environment, I havent come across anyone looking blankly at a computer screen. Though I do admit I wonder sometimes about some of the CS members who I suspect are at work, being paid to perform a role, yet seem to spend a lot of that time on this forum.

    Maybe Im wrong and its their lunchbreak, RDO, or theyre just reclaiming unpaid hours of work. ::)



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    Re: No time to Smell the Roses; or make a Coffee :o

    Hmmm,

    When/where I last worked, we were expected to complete targets/projects within extremely short time-frames because of the resources involved and the impact on productive output. The only way to achieve these targets was to work consistently long hours with no let-up. Typical weeks were 6-7 x 12-16Hr days continuously and the only time where this intensity was relaxed was when we were permitted to take some leave. This continued and even accelerated towards the end of my tenure, over a period of nearly 10 years.

    Naturally, remuneration was a reflection of this work ethic provided that targets were reached or bettered but in the end, I think this contributed in no small way to my succumbing to a series of strokes. You have to make time to smell the roses and all the other really important facets of our lives. Work should only be a small fraction of this time but needs will always dictate just how much of our available (short) time is dominated by its necessity....

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