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    Babyccinos. I dont even know how to spell it. They just seem so wasteful.

    Had a woman come in with seven little girls ready for their ballet class next door and asked for a cap and if I would make 7 babyccinos because she felt guilty getting a coffee and not getting the girls something.

    I said no to the babyccinos and offered to make them some mini hot chocs for the same price.

    Everybody was happy.


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    I honestly dont even know how to put a price on a Babyccino, its a small dash of milk with a dallop of foam and chocolate powder on top.. $4.10 thank you. :D

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    If parents havent taught their kids that sometimes they are not the center of the universe and dont always "get something" then they deserve to pay way to much for a little bit of foam and some chocolate. IMHO (by the way I think my kids are going to hate me for being a tight arse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56777C7C7B61120 link=1210652095/485#485 date=1255085377
    I said no to the babyccinos and offered to make them some mini hot chocs for the same price.
    I think that is the sanest way around the babycino thingy.
    If it is a possibility for the shop to pump out some hot chocs in small cups (or even the small takeaway cups for kids) then its got to be a better deal than the cup of next to nothing that takes too long to prepare.

    I started out with our youngster asking for the babycino, very quickly got too embarressed and now always get her a hot choc.

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    Greg Pullman Tamper #213 and #1803
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    Quote Originally Posted by 444A47485F4948260 link=1210652095/487#487 date=1255131782
    If parents havent taught their kids that sometimes they are not the center of the universe and dont always "get something" then they deserve to pay way to much for a little bit of foam and some chocolate. IMHO (by the way I think my kids are going to hate me for being a tight arse).
    Na they will just work out what lube ya ass needs and then you will be broke before ya sit down.. For that well deserved coffee from HJs. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0B242D2F38072B242B2D2F272F243E4A0 link=1210652095/490#490 date=1255157314
    Na they will just work out what lube ya ass needs and then you will be broke before ya sit down.. *For that well deserved coffee from HJs. *;D
    ;D ;D ;D

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    Someone needs to let the dude at *Toronto Institution DAssTastes* know that "but I always get compliments on my coffee" is no way to respond to the fact I am telling you this coffee right here is crap and it was always going to be crap cause you didnt even tamp, and then used the already boiled milk to fill the cup.
    And to the place 2 doors up who heard the story and still gave me scalded millk, you suck too.
    Well done both places, I just wanted to sip a coffee on a bench while my son plays in the park and you ruined the whole morning. By the time Id returned to give you this feedback and an opportunity to do better, the boy was wild so no park for him, no coffee for me and absolutely no respect for you "quality lakeside cafes".

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    Classic, Mel...sorry you didnt get anything decent from there...

    As to babycinos...I must be evil because all I see is how Im the one who is indoctrinating the next gen of coffee snobs...like the young lad who is most happy with his cup of froth, sitting up quietly opposite his chuffed mum and meanwhile Im thinking how its going to keep me and my friends in a job many years down the track... ;D

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    How is that any different to a Happy Meal?

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    My biggest gripe about babycinos is mothers who expect them to be free.

    The point is not that it contains 10c worth of milk. There is time involved in making it and did you see the mess your kids made all over the floor when they were running around the shop with that crumbling muffin you bought over the road?

    I worked at a couple of places one place charged $1.50 for a babycino the other place was free. Guess which cafe got hoards of tight ass mothers groups coming up from Brighton, blocking the doorway with prams, who wanted coffee scalding hot, who talked down to you, sitting around all arvo asking for water every ten minutes, half of which would end up spilt and mopped up with a bunch of napkins which are left behind soggy on the table and floor and spending a grand total of $15 for the day.

    We also got mothers groups at the place that charged for babycinos. They just tended to be more reasonable people.

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    A shot of coffee in the babycino and an afternoon of pulling the little darlings down off the walls should be enough to cure mothers of their attachment to these things ;)

    Im a coffee-addicted mummy and somehow manage to not order one when out, but if Im at home he gets my left over milk... its not that Im embarrassed to ask for such a ridiculous thing (well maybe a little) but more the fact that most places cant get the temp right for me, let alone trusting them not to scald the boys mouth.

    I worry about the parenting skills of any mother whod order a blisteringly hot coffee and then ask for some of that milk just for their kid to drink. :o

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    I dont see the problem with a babycino. Having a 3yo, I routinely order them when out. I know its just a bit of milk, but it keeps them quiet and as a parent, makes my visit to a joint a little more pleasant. And am certainly happy to pay for the privilege.

    As for ordering a hot chocolate instead, shes alergic to many colours and flavours, so unless I know theyre using good quality chocolate and theres no bleedin marshmallow, I wont risk it.

    And neither myself or wife visit places that serve scaldingly hot coffee so theres minimal risk of injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20222E2626282F32410 link=1210652095/497#497 date=1255427164
    I dont see the problem with a babycino
    I dont enjoy doing it, and guess I really dont have a problem with one either, especially if it makes a child feel like they are sharing an experience with Mum and/or Dad. It was seven I had a problem with and I do find the whole thing odd.

    Maybe its not a particularly good example, but wouldnt it be strange to see Mum and/or Dad down at the local pub with the kids, ordering a beer and a beeracino for their little son or daughter?

    I have four children and when they were toddlers and older, we never had to give them something to keep them quiet. Nor did they run around a shop and play havoc. Perhaps we were just lucky.

    Oh and by the way, I use the African Red Cocoa for the hot chocolate served in the shop.


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    I dont mind making a one or two babycinos everyso often but when too many are asked for, they get annoying. Whats really bad is when the parents want lots of chocolate powder ontop of the babycino and they ask for the chocolate shaker and go crazy which gets the bench covered in chocolate!

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    7 could be a little annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by 06272C2C2B31420 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
    Nor did they run around a shop and play havoc. *
    Any parent who lets their kid(s) do that, has discipline issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by 06272C2C2B31420 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
    Oh and by the way, I use the African Red Cocoa for the hot chocolate served in the shop.
    An excellent choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by 012D242427271D092B26420 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
    and they ask for the chocolate shaker
    woops, another PITA parent just crossed the line. Id be getting out my imaginary big stick and using it on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4B6A6161667C0F0 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
    Maybe its not a particularly good example, but wouldnt it be strange to see Mum and/or Dad down at the local pub with the kids, ordering a beer and a beeracino for their little son or daughter?
    You wouldnt see them at the pub! But at home, mmm shandy time! I vividly remember being eight and having my first shandy. Haha~

    On another note, kids running around the shop, parents without a care in the world... Yep, definitely some lack of parenting skills right there and consideration. ;/ No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 614D444447477D694B46220 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
    Whats really bad is when the parents want lots of chocolate powder ontop of the babycino and they ask for the chocolate shaker and go crazy which gets the bench covered in chocolate!
    Oooh theres your mistake. Never, ever let them touch the shaker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 767E77727872746E681B0 link=1210652095/502#502 date=1255469964
    Quote Originally Posted by 614D444447477D694B46220 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
    Whats really bad is when the parents want lots of chocolate powder ontop of the babycino and they ask for the chocolate shaker and go crazy which gets the bench covered in chocolate!
    Oooh theres your mistake. Never, ever let them touch the shaker!
    Short of connecting it to a live electrical wire, how do you stop them spreading it all over the counter? (both parents and children)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777D7E757268657079721C0 link=1210652095/503#503 date=1255507499
    Short of connecting it to a live electrical wire, how do you stop them spreading it all over the counter? (both parents and children)
    Tell them its Health Department Regulations--Customers shall not touch the food preparation equipment. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
    No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
    Look, yes, theres some Mums (and Dads) out there who blithely sit by, totally ignoring the mischief and havoc there kids are wreaking. HOWEVER, for goodness sakes, most of us are trying to do the best we can. I put as much as Ive got into my kids, I work hard at teaching them the polite way to act in café and most of the time, theyre pretty good. Sometimes, for no reason I can put my finger on, they dont co-operate. They fidget and fuss, and the little one has a penchant for the relaxing on the rug in a particular espresso bar we frequent. I usually take them home if theyve been warned and continue to carry on. But can we please remember, theyre kids! They dont exit the womb understanding social conventions. Theyre learning!

    And also, as a stay-at-home Mum who chose to give up a career to raise my kids, I really resent the implication that we dont have the right to want to catch up with each other socially. One of the things Ive found the hardest in this gig is the fact I can go for days and days without adult conversation. I take my kids out to swimming lessons, playgroup, kindy gym, preschool and a host of other activities. How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.

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    Michelle, I hope I have not at all put that across here and my sincere apologies if I have.

    As much as we bitch and moan about some peoples kids...

    I totally agree with you, Michelle.

    I do love seeing mums and kids out and about and socialising together. I love that mums buy their kids "little coffees" because honestly, all you knockers of babycinos, that is what we are doing...were teaching our kids to copy our good habits! This is why you see mums teaching kids to drink little coffee and not baby beercinos or whatever you want to call them... ::)

    I make a point of trying to talk to the mums who come in, obviously looking harrassed to the point of needing good, strong coffee because, as a mum who was taken out of the city and into the outback with a toddler, I TOTALLY understand how a woman must have adult contact other than just with her husband. It is very important.

    When the mums leave the table in a mess, I DO understand its their only time to be able to walk away and know that someone else IS going to clean up after THEM for a change! I get that...I really do.

    Yes, not every mum is perfect and some let their kids get away with stuff that horrifies even me. However, at the same time, there is just so much we are NOT allowed to do in public any more either as parents and that is not easy with a difficult child who needs to have discipline. Lets not get into all of that here, however...

    Again, my apologies Michelle, if I have given you any offence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A50465353270 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
    Look, yes, theres some Mums (and Dads) out there who blithely sit by, totally ignoring the mischief and havoc there kids are wreaking. HOWEVER, for goodness sakes, most of us are trying to do the best we can
    And thats what it comes down to I think Michelle...

    When mums care and make an effort, I reckon kids are always welcome in cafes. When they dont and unrestrained kids run riot and endanger themselves and irritate others, thats not fair. I applaud you for helping your children to learn and removing them if they are having one of those days. *:)

    We need more like you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2E3E3232293C023A3C315D0 link=1210652095/506#506 date=1255517431
    Again, my apologies Michelle, if I have given you any offence.
    None at all Scoots :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 263C2A3F3F4B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
    I work hard at teaching them the polite way to act in café and most of the time, theyre pretty good.
    I think this is the nub of the issue, unfortunately there are parents out there who just dont instil this essential attitude in their children.
    After all, children are just mirrors of their parents are they not?
    I think its very healthy to have children socialise in settings such as these from an early age but the success lies squarley with the parents IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3525292932271921272A460 link=1210652095/506#506 date=1255517431
    all you knockers of babycinos, that is what we are doing...were teaching our kids to copy our good habits!
    Yesterday a Mum came in for a takeaway and before she could place the order, her little daughter that was with her demanded a babycino then began jumping up and down. Hmm...great habit. I wonder where she learnt that from?

    Mum apologetically rolled her eyes at me. So I leaned over the counter and said to the daughter, "Darl, I really cant make your cino while you jump up and down, so if youd like to sit over there (pointing to a chair) quietly Ill make Mums coffee first, then your babycino. But if you keep jumping up and down, Ill just make Mums coffee and no babycino."

    Mum now looks at me and doesnt appear happy with what Ive just said. Daughter looks at me, then Mum, then back at me.

    Daughter goes and sits on chair, quietly, and I say, "Thanks Darl" and make these takeaways as quick as I can then call the daughter over to collect her babycino. On her way out I asked her if she would like to take some of the green beans in the window display and plant them at home to see if they would grow. She waved goodbye to me.

    No, Im not a better parent, and I dont live with the child 24/7, so maybe I was just lucky. Or maybe, and I prefer to think, that I mean what I say, and this little girl understood that.

    Kids are always welcome at the shop and when I can, I make a fuss of them because I happen to like children. If I had a rug they would be welcome to lie on it all day. But I still dont enjoy making a babycino - even when I serve it with a double shot of chocolate sprinkles!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 564C5A4F4F3B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
    Quote Originally Posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
    No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
    How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.
    On some levels, what Ive said has been misunderstood and I apologise that you mis-directly took offense to what I said due to a lack of better wording, because youre a parent who enjoys going out for coffee with other parents. I completely understand your responsibilities and I am in no way ignorant of the subject.

    However, I was not aiming this to all parents in general--only the said few who I have witnessed from time to time. I have seen my fair share of high teas and parents bringing along their children. I have seen the good and the bad.

    So forgive me if I come off really short about this, but I need you to understand that I am in no way suggesting that every parent should not step one foot out the door without their children handcuffed to their very wrists.

    It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil. Yet three tables down, is a parent who is chatting away as their child screams, throws forks and then eventually ends up hurting him, when he eventually manages to find a a strategic path to higher ground, only to slip and crack his head.

    So ultimately, what I am trying to say is.. Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 506D6071766370020 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
    Quote Originally Posted by 564C5A4F4F3B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
    Quote Originally Posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
    No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
    How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.
    On some levels, what Ive said has been misunderstood and I apologise that you mis-directly took offense to what I said due to a lack of better wording, because youre a parent who enjoys going out for coffee with other parents. I completely understand your responsibilities and I am in no way ignorant of the subject.

    However, I was not aiming this to all parents in general--only the said few who I have witnessed from time to time. I have seen my fair share of high teas and parents bringing along their children. I have seen the good and the bad.

    So forgive me if I come off really short about this, but I need you to understand that I am in no way suggesting that every parent should not step one foot out the door without their children handcuffed to their *very wrists.

    It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil. Yet three tables down, is a parent who is chatting away as their child screams, throws forks and then eventually ends up hurting him, when he eventually manages to find a a strategic path to higher ground, only to slip and crack his head.

    So ultimately, what I am trying to say is.. Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.
    I know where ya coming from and exactly how things can be miss read...

    Some parents do their best...May not be good, but they TRY.. *Others do their best to provide a balanced experience and may not always get it right.. *Some just get lucky and the kids are great *:P

    OTHERS just dont give a rats ASS or believe that total freedom is the kids right... *Poor little buggers then do not know how to fit into the workplace and society as they do not understand boundaries etc.. Have seen parents abuse other diners and staff when they have been asked to consider other customers.. *A couple of 7 year olds running and playing hid and seek but using tables and people - high class restaurant and late at night.

    Yes ... I started it... While trying to eat and cut my food I was grabbed as one tried to use me as a shield.. *Made a comment and the CHILD told me where to get off. *Needless to say, I then restrained the said little AH and along with staff spoke to the parents... We were all threatened and long story short they were finally escorted form the place... *However their comments as to Kids just being kids etc and the rest of us being dead sh!ts etc etc was what gives some parents a bad name.

    Note: We have always tried to take our kids out and taught them respect and how to have manners... They have been shown how to eat correctly and to enjoy trying foods they have never seen or heard of B4. While they are not perfect at home... We have no concerns for when they eat out or at anothers house... In fact they get quite picky... People you talk while shoving food in and dribbling down teh chin etc is something that puts them off.. Note to self.. If want them to eat at the table must stop the dribbling ;D

    BOT... Thus I feel for staff you may get to deal with many great customers but ONE AH can/will spoil the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F323F2E293C2F5D0 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
    Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.
    Im not. Im just, like most other Mums, doing the best I can. Sometimes I get it wrong. Sometimes my kids are little terrors, and nothing I say or threaten makes a lick of difference. The thing is, if you saw us on one of those days, how quick would you be to lump us with the other end of the spectrum?

    As for the babycino thing, are they really any more annoying to make than a macchiato? But dont worry, I wont be ordering them any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 526F6273746172000 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
    It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil.
    I try to be one of the above parents, but some days.......

    You just order a latte and a bloody cake (for the kid) I dont do babycino ever....
    you sit down, pour yourself a glass of water start to relax AND THEN the little darling decides (who normally is great in shops) decides to go off the deep end because you dont let her help pour the water or somthing......

    People are staring......
    you know they are thinking "be a better parent"
    you just want to give your kid a good slap, but you cant because then the ones looking will ring social services.....
    you try to reason with a 2.5 year old...../\/
    you remind them CAKE !!! is coming soon

    then the little brat decides to make a grab for the water......
    your in a tug of war and you know its gonna turn bad, someones gonna get wet..... or hurt....

    bloody hell here comes the waiter with the coffee.....

    i start thinking "I BET that waiter puts the hot coffee down right where my kid can reach it"
    yep they do cause they got NFI about kids.........

    i start to wonder why i came out today......

    I had a laugh


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E64726767130 link=1210652095/513#513 date=1255559924
    As for the babycino thing, are they really any more annoying to make than a macchiato?
    I think its a psychological thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E64726767130 link=1210652095/513#513 date=1255559924
    But dont worry, I wont be ordering them any time soon.
    Fine by me!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4B7E696B5B637E616D60680C0 link=1210652095/504#504 date=1255509028
    Quote Originally Posted by 777D7E757268657079721C0 link=1210652095/503#503 date=1255507499
    Short of connecting it to a live electrical wire, how do you stop them spreading it all over the counter? (both parents and children)
    Tell them its Health Department Regulations--Customers shall not touch the food preparation equipment. ;D


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    ^^^ This
    Or even just "Its not our policy for health reasons." And a dirty counter, to me, is a fair enough health reason. Other patrons have the right to pick up their coffees without getting chocolate "undersprinkles" and unless they wipe down after they dust, its not fair on the next customer.

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    Hows this for a thought....if I have a coffee shop in a high mumsy area I would do the bubbicinos for free....wouldnt that help bring in the mums who usually like not only a coffee but a nice bit of (expensive) slice...

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2832243131450 link=1210652095/513#513 date=1255559924
    The thing is, if you saw us on one of those days, how quick would you be to lump us with the other end of the spectrum?
    When you propose that question, I would be guilty of lumping you quickly into that other end of the spectrum. But I think from this moment onwards, the points you have made have definitely been instilled in a sense, in to my memory.

    Hopefully, I can learn from what youve shared and not be so quick to judge. :)

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    Strictly as another customer--If you cannot/do not control your child TODAY, no matter what the usual is, please do not expect me to put up with their behaviour. Thats just rude of YOU.

    Please leave and take them with you. They may deserve your anger for messing up your day, I dont deserve to have mine messed.

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    Everyone had a breath? Good... that feels better.
    ;)

    As a parent, nothing makes me prouder than my kids being perfect little angels when we are out (which in my eyes and prob not even through rose coloured glasses, is everytime we are out)

    As a customer, nothing gets my back-up faster than someone elses brats climbing the walls and spoiling it for everyone around them while their snooty "kids hamper our social life" parents ignore whats happening.

    ...and I dearly love when even my 4 year old says "those kids over there are naughty".

    Yes, kids are kids but in an adult place they need to be little adults. Take em to kids places if they cannot sit still for 10 minutes. Taking a hyper kid to an adult place is unfair on everyone including the bored kids.

    Back on the topic of bubby-choca-chios I had never heard of free ones until someone wrote it in a CS thread once. I would never expect them to be free and would far prefer to pay for a small sized, luke warm drink. Heck, I think nothing of paying for corkage, cakeage and other similar fair user pays charges at a restaurant.

    So whats the agreed fair price for a kid drink? I think $2 for a half a cup of steamed milk is fine/fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by 50454C5C504B4B3F0 link=1255085378/32#32 date=1255572264
    Hows this for a thought....if I have a coffee shop in a high mumsy area I would do the bubbicinos for free....wouldnt that help bring in the mums who usually like not only a coffee but a nice bit of (expensive) slice...
    I can only guess that free bubbicinos are being offered only for that reason, surely the business is in business to make money and they hope that the freebie will encourage others sales.

    How about a cafe with kids toys, a play area and the whole place decked-out in bright primary colours looking like playschool? I wonder if any of those mums would actually want to go there or if they are going to a cafe for an adult experience?

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    Im sensing theres some baristas in this thread that
    a. are not parents
    b. have forgotten they work in a service industry.




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    Just for the record, I have four children, one grandchild, and another on the way. :)

    I love working in the service industry, but I am not a servant. ;)

    This morning a Mum and Dad came in and had their coffee, and I got to hold their 10 month old daughter, Elsie for a little while. I love having the opportunity to do that sort of thing.

    I serve chocolate or strawberry sipper straws with a glass of milk for $2.00. Mini hot choc for $1.50.

    Having thought about this since starting this thread, I actually have a problem serving babycinos and charging $1.50 because its MY perception that Im not providing any value, so perhaps half the time I dont charge (yes, its MY problem).


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1A2F383A0A322F303C31395D0 link=1255085378/34#34 date=1255604145
    "Raised in a more polite time--my kids too."
    Ah, I love this line. Right, and which generation raised this current generation of parents? And which generation was it that has taken away nearly all the rights of current parents to discipline their children? Thought so. Its interesting too, that none of the older generation care to offer advice on parenting, but rather just criticism and judgement.

    Im also intrigued its mostly menfolk who are taking this line :-?

    As I said initially, if my kids start to lose it, we leave. I actually think my kids are pretty damn good, and I think the number of CSers who have met them would mostly agree with me. I expect far more of them in terms of behavioural standards than anybody else does.

    I just wanted to encourage people to be a little bit more generous in their attitudes towards mothers, and at least demonstrate a little understanding, rather than assuming they must be hopeless parents who dont give a rats about interrupting your experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 545C55505A50564C4A390 link=1255085378/7#7 date=1255308923
    and it was always going to be crap cause you didnt even tamp
    dont assume this. assumption is the mother of most stuff-ups.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E4B5C5E6E564B5458555D390 link=1255085378/34#34 date=1255604145
    If you cannot/do not control your child TODAY, no matter what the usual is, please do not expect me to put up with their behaviour. Thats just rude of YOU.
    So next time my friend Sam, a single mum, is doing her shopping, and has her two children with her, your right "not to have your day interrupted" is something you consider more important than the "right of the family to buy food to put on the table", when theyre kicking and screaming.

    ..and the reason theyre kicking and screaming, ADHD. but you wouldnt know that, because youve already judged both the kids and the mother. it doesnt help that when the kids are well behaved, the school theyre at gives them sugar as a reward, so they come home completely hyped.

    ...or perhaps it also doesnt help that instead of giving kids a nice glass of warm foamy milk, some places insist on adding sugar, sweeteners and e-numbers to milk to make it fall within their definition of value.

    apparently its only okay not to have sugar with your coffee when youre an adult (and have developed a high tolerance to the stuff).

    likewise michelle, I respect your right not to order babycinos (and think youre a rocking mum, having seen you out with your kids more than once!

    ...and in the friend example, often it wouldve been me you saw them with, trying to give their mum a break. but you wouldve judged me likewise.

    woeful.

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    In the interests of trying to stay nice, how about we not let things get personal :-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18393232352F5C0 link=1255085378/37#37 date=1255665336
    Just for the record, I have four children, one grandchild, and another on the way. :)

    I love working in the service industry, but I am not a servant. ;)
    Right, youre off the hook then, now get back to making me laugh with your witticisms in Barista Venting. *:)

    $1.50 for a babycino is ok value in my book. *My son gets to sit there and act like an adult, sipping from a cup with a beverage that looks similar to mine... and its not full of sugar. *He loves a hot chocolate too, but sometimes I just prefer him to stay away from sugar. *:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4669637E070 link=1255085378/35#35 date=1255663203
    How about a cafe with kids toys, a play area and the whole place decked-out in bright primary colours looking like playschool? *I wonder if any of those mums would actually want to go there or if they are going to a cafe for an adult experience? *
    If it has good coffee, Im there.

    If it doesnt, Ill just take them to the park, thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 18475F494249454C4C4F4F474B442A0 link=1255085378/40#40 date=1255667680
    In the interests of trying to stay nice, how about we not let things get personal
    to late 2mcm ;)
    I think as long as there are baristas who dont like making babychinos and mums on here who like ordering them(rightfully so).......then there will be arguments, ive got the answer, if you dont like serving the public with what they want, dont. Get out of the industry, its your choice to stand behind that counter, there are rude people everywhere, its life, some just think they are better than everyone else, its a fact of life, and if you cant laugh at it?, take it on the chin?......maybe its time for a career change?
    Id also like to add, i treat baristas with respect, the good ones are amazing to watch, they show passion and a love for what they do, something i envy, in the industry you have to laugh at typical human behaviour ;D

    my 2 cents (dont kill me) (ducks for cover) :P

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    First off Id like to apologise for seemingly have aimed my comments at those who quite clearly dont deserve them.

    Quote Originally Posted by 62786E7B7B0F0 link=1255085378/38#38 date=1255665814
    GregWormald wrote on Yesterday at 21:25:
    "Raised in a more polite time--my kids too."


    Ah, I love this line. Right, and which generation raised this current generation of parents? And which generation was it that has taken away nearly all the rights of current parents to discipline their children?
    My kids are both in their mid-40s--Ill blame them. ;D

    Actually, in using the word "time" I was referring to a time in history rather than identifying a "generation". And I must refuse to take any responsibility for taking away personal responsibilities. I work in an area where personal responsibility is completely necessary and I would never have voted in any way to reduce it, nor am I able to take responsibility for how any generation handles itself--I have enough trouble just handling me!

    Im also not blaming the kids, they are too young to have responsibility for their own behaviour--both practically and legally that belongs with the parents, the schools, and with what they see and hear every day.

    I feel very lucky to have been raised as a "baby boomer", in a time where kids were appreciated, and when parents were supported in their efforts to raise children into responsible adults.

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    Now--time for a coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 78595252554F3C0 link=1255085378/37#37 date=1255665336
    I serve chocolate or strawberry sipper straws with a glass of milk for $2.00.Mini hot choc for $1.50
    Fair enough too, I think both are good options and maybe the bubbychino should hit your drinks menu for $1... if you then waive the fee thats fine too.

    Slightly off topic but I did see the inventor of the those sipper straws on The New Inventors a while ago. Designed and produced by a Aussie family business, no additives, no artificial colours and a whole lot of science in the development of how they dissolve to regulate the flavour.

    Quote Originally Posted by 514B5D48483C0 link=1255085378/42#42 date=1255668720
    Quote Originally Posted by 4669637E070 link=1255085378/35#35 date=1255663203
    How about a cafe with kids toys, a play area and the whole place decked-out in bright primary colours looking like playschool? *I wonder if any of those mums would actually want to go there or if they are going to a cafe for an adult experience? *
    If it has good coffee, Im there.

    If it doesnt, Ill just take them to the park, thanks.
    So, two cafes side by side, one setup as a play room for kids and one with decor and music to suit the big peoples, both serving the same excellent coffee...
    ...which one do you take the family to?

    I think I would answer both, but I would expect my kids to behave differently (err... appropriately) at each one.

    ...and of course, taking the kids to the park to "run it off" before going out is always a great parenting tactic.
    :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1410362F2F2A35222D430 link=1255085378/43#43 date=1255669260
    ive got the answer, if you dont like serving the public with what they want, dont. Get out of the industry, its your choice to stand behind that counter,
    Honestly, Im puzzled by this. Are you referring to me and what I said?

    The public also ask me for banana bread, sandwiches, etc. and I dont do food apart from a few little cakes and cookies as I consider and would like to provide a coffee house, not a cafe. Do you really think I should get out of the industry because I run a business my way and provide goods and services that I select for consumption?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1D3C3737302A590 link=1255085378/46#46 date=1255688508
    Quote Originally Posted by 1410362F2F2A35222D430 link=1255085378/43#43 date=1255669260
    ive got the answer, if you dont like serving the public with what they want, dont. Get out of the industry, its your choice to stand behind that counter,
    Honestly, Im puzzled by this. *Are you referring to me and what I said? *

    The public also ask me for banana bread, sandwiches, etc. and I dont do food apart from a few little cakes and cookies as I consider and would like to provide a coffee house, not a cafe. *Do you really think I should get out of the industry because I run a business my way and provide goods and services that I select for consumption?

    No, you have already said you dont serve them, and i think the compromise to mini chocs was a good one, fair enough, its your call, its your business after all!, and thats the beauty of it ;),

    Im more pi**ed at the comments about parents and i guess my last post was a little heated, i was reading this thread, got a little annoyed at some of the posts here and started typing, im also a father, and i know how hard it is sometimes, and they are not always on their best behavior, 99% of the time my kids are fine, but that 1% of the time.....i know exactly what the staff are thinking, we are human, and kids will be kids, i know you guys arent servants(baristas), i would never suggest that, i just think sometimes the owners of the shops sometimes forget that we (customers)are the reason they have food on their own table, in case anyone is wondering, i have a little experience in the food industry and i know how much it can hurt to grin and bear it......but, that is why you are there......to provide a service, as most of us are, in most industries. I provide a service, but mine are in the shape of sat dishes, let me tell you, customers can get pretty anal in my industry too. :o

    Ref my comment on getting out of the industry, there are comments from people how genuinely sound like they have had enough of the public.....it happens, my parents, 30 years and they had enough, and it almost cost my father his life, i can understand it, its a frustrating industry with little face to face reward, i was sincerly suggesting a career change, if it makes you that unhappy.........move on, life is too short.

    So in summary, im not attacking anyone in particular,im just having a feeling........
    cheers
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    hope that settles ya nerves den ;)

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    The way I see it, its all about mutual respect and understanding...

    When 12 mums with prams and children fill a cafe and then sit on a coffee over peak period, thats disrespectful. Owners deserve the opportunity to make a living.

    When kids are allowed to run wild and ruin the amenity of others or endanger themselves and/or others, thats disrespectful and they probably need to be removed and maybe you miss out on your coffee. Thats life and thats about respecting the right of other patrons.

    When owners or staff of a cafe treat you like crap because you have a child with you and he/she is grizzly or makes a huge mess, thats disrespectful too. When you leave that mess for others to remove, thats disrespectful as well.

    I was abused for requesting that mothers not use our cafe tables to change their babies. Who was out of line there?

    Hospitality and service is easy- treat the customer as you would hope to be treated. Customers need to appreciate that its a 2 way street. If you wouldnt tolerate it in your home or the home of a friend, its not appropriate in a cafe either. You and your children are guests.

    Its all about respect, and shouldnt be that hard.

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    100% agree with everything said 2mcm :)



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