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    so over the last few years id heard it and like everyone else rolled the eyes and said "yeah, yeah.. pull the other one" *::) *but lately there has been growing hype around the puma/jaguar/big cats or whatever they are in and around the western outskirts of sydney, and throughout australia, but apparently more recently with a growing frequency of sightings in more densely populated areas. *:-/

    Only have I really paid much attention since our hoarse stabled in dural, sydney had been suffering some suspicious injuries and seemed very distressed for a hoarse in a beautiful surrounding. *not long later, my mate in castle hill had their neighbours blame his dog for their hoarses being mauled to death and the neighbours on the other side jumped on the band wagon, realising they were missing a few chooks and ducks.

    anyone else have any stories/speculation?

    smh report: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...597200706.html

    heres one found in vic..
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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    And here I was thinking the topic was going to be about 18 -22 yr old women at nite clubs ;D

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Or the new PM

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 7326352E400 link=1277304200/2#2 date=1277340255
    Or the new PM
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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Same story has been doing the rounds since I was a kid (thats a long time ago) people in rural areas have too much time on their hands and an overactive imagination.
    And of course theres always the indistinct, blurry, out of focus photos, for some strange reason no one ever manages to gets a decent shot of the thing. ;)
    Its a whole load of bunkum. ;) :D ;D

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    I saw a show on discovery about a similar occurrence in Texas

    So researchers set up a bovine carcass and a 24 hour camera to solve it

    Result
    Natural scavengers and the death process and from memory something to do with maggots making certain surgical marks was the answer to all the unexplained marks,cuts ect

    KK

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Hi all

    Sightings have been made of big cats in NSW and Vic for several decades. The sightings in NSW range from the Snowy Mountains to Katoomba, Barrington Tops and the NW Plains. What I can conclude from that is that either the large-cat population is very large (and so at least one should have been shot and caught by now) or its just a few very very old cats that can travel thousands of kms without being caught.

    From: http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/lifespan.html "On average tigers will live for 10 to 15 years out in the wild and 16 to 20 years in captivity, though there is one Australian tiger recorded as living to the ripe old age of 26. "

    Hence one can prob say that unless one meets another (unlikely) and has a litter it would have just died of old age. So the big cats in all the sightings up to say the late 1980s would now be dead. I think I can still safely go bush walking until the Nat Parks are open for shooters.

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 595A4F464F454743414F2A0 link=1277304200/6#6 date=1277347475
    Hi all

    Sightings have been made of big cats in NSW and Vic for several decades. The sightings in NSW range from the Snowy Mountains to Katoomba, Barrington Tops and the NW Plains. What I can conclude from that is that either the large-cat population is very large (and so at least one should have been shot and caught by now) or its just a few very very old cats that can travel thousands of kms without being caught.

    From: http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/lifespan.html "On average tigers will live for 10 to 15 years out in the wild and 16 to 20 years in captivity, though there is one Australian tiger recorded as living to the ripe old age of 26. "

    Hence one can prob say that unless one meets another (unlikely) and has a litter it would have just died of old age. So the big cats in all the sightings up to say the late 1980s would now be dead. *I think I can still safely go bush walking until the Nat Parks are open for shooters.

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    ahhhh, the voice of reason. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 64696A64060 link=1277304200/1#1 date=1277322632
    And here I was thinking the topic was going to be about 18 -22 yr old women at nite clubs *;D
    ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35607368060 link=1277304200/2#2 date=1277340255
    Or the new PM
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    haha but yes, i thought it was strange that we hadnt found any dead ones, carcases/bones or the likes, and if they really did exist, surely koalas would be well and truely extinct by now.
    haha
    if they have been here since WWII, then seing as we have no other predators quite like this, their population would have sky rocketed.
    and evidently, unless they are living in an underground network of caverns that we are totally unaware of (also unlikely) and only venture out occasionally, its pretty unlikely for them to be existing. *;D

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    Theres more chance of Julia Gillard playing full forward for the Dogs than finding a large feline predator in Australia....hang on a minute........

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    I have a horse or three but Ive never ever had to stable a hoarse!?! I thought that that was something to do with your ability to speak... ;)

    The big cat sightings are likely to be a feral, they can get pretty big and I know shooters out here who have bagged themselves some fairly large ones.

    The story of big cats around western Sydney have been perpetuated by the old African Lion Safari that was up in the back of Warragamba there. According to locals, once the safari had been closed down, the owner didnt want to kill his animals (as there was apparently issues with them being sold on as they were so old) and so he just let them go out into the catchment area instead. Im sure its a bit of a local myth but heck, whod let a myth get in front of a good story!? ;D

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 456168686B6B5145617D63610E0 link=1277304200/5#5 date=1277344629
    I saw a show on discovery about a similar occurrence in Texas

    So researchers set up a bovine carcass and a 24 hour camera to solve it

    Result
    Natural scavengers and the death process and from memory something to do with maggots making certain surgical marks was the answer to all the unexplained marks,cuts ect
    For decades people said the same thing about purported big cat sightings in the metro area here. Then in early 2002 a motion triggered trail cam snapped a picture of one. Blurry yes, but clear enough that most people stopped questioning the existence of big cats in the area. The few who still expressed skepticism were silenced in early June of that year when some people out for a walk on a park trail came face to face with a very much alive and snarling cougar. When police went looking for it they soon found it and rather than being scared off by all the activity it confronted them. Leading to there very quickly being undeniable physical proof of the reality of big cats existing here. The dead body of one. Since then reports of big cat sightings are no longer blown off as wild imaginings and as a result of prompt police responses there are now multiple videos from police dash cams of big cats inside the metro area here. Such sightings are now taken as a matter of course, such as this one: http://www.kare11.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=55065499001


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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 002B3C2B3A2223262F4A0 link=1277304200/11#11 date=1277373383
    Quote Originally Posted by 456168686B6B5145617D63610E0 link=1277304200/5#5 date=1277344629
    I saw a show on discovery about a similar occurrence in Texas

    So researchers set up a bovine carcass and a 24 hour camera to solve it

    Result
    Natural scavengers and the death process and from memory something to do with maggots making certain surgical marks was the answer to all the unexplained marks,cuts ect
    For decades people said the same thing about purported big cat sightings in the metro area here. Then in early 2002 a motion triggered trail cam snapped a picture of one. Blurry yes, but clear enough that most people stopped questioning the existence of big cats in the area. The few who still expressed skepticism were silenced in early June of that year when some people out for a walk on a park trail came face to face with a very much alive and snarling cougar. When police went looking for it they soon found it and rather than being scared off by all the activity it confronted them. Leading to there very quickly being undeniable physical proof of the reality of big cats existing here. The dead body of one. Since then reports of big cat sightings are no longer blown off as wild imaginings and as a result of prompt police responses there are now multiple videos from police dash cams of big cats inside the metro area here. Such sightings are now taken as a matter of course, such as this one: http://www.kare11.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=55065499001


    Java "You might be surprised at whats lurking out there" phile
    Totally different situation here Jave, cougars are native to North America, Australia has no native cats, the only way it could happen here is if it escaped from captivity or was deliberately released. :)

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Hi all

    Kotaro said ...
    > their population would have sky rocketed. and evidently, unless they are living in an
    > underground network of caverns that we are totally unaware of (also unlikely) and only
    > venture out occasionally, its pretty unlikely for them to be existing.

    Now you have me scared. Ill be looking for big cats all this weekend whilst caving at Wombeyan Caves.

    You may notice my nick is speleomike, I have been regularly caving, surveying caves and drawing up maps of them for 30 years. This w/end with SUSS (www.ee.usyd.edu.au/suss/) Ill be in the Wombeyan Caves surveying parts of the caves that have not been mapped.

    Oh and two of my friends are at present heading off to the NT for 5 weeks to map an underground network of caverns. They find kms of new cave each trip. And even at Jenolan and Wombeyan Caves in NSW there is still more caves and cave passages yet to find.

    And maybe large feline predators in the caves :-)

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 2221343D343E3C383A34510 link=1277304200/13#13 date=1277383791
    Oh and two of my friends are at present heading off to the NT for 5 weeks to map an underground network of caverns. They find kms of new cave each trip.And even at Jenolan and Wombeyan Caves in NSW there is still more caves and cave passages yet to find.

    And maybe large feline predators in the caves :)

    Mike
    Just watch out for man eating bats, snakes and huge insects

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 477B726A7F1E0 link=1277304200/12#12 date=1277376070
    Totally different situation here Jave, cougars are native to North America, Australia has no native cats, the only way it could happen here is if it escaped from captivity or was deliberately released. *:)
    Reportedly, some were brought over by the Americans during WWII, and the thought of them surviving since then isnt totally far fetched, seeing as we really do not have any predators of that caliber, and an abundance of food.. its not impossible.

    however, Im still sitting comfortably on the fence on this matter, guess its a bit of a see it to believe it thing. ::)

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 484B5E575E545652505E3B0 link=1277304200/13#13 date=1277383791
    I have been regularly caving, surveying caves and drawing up maps of them for 30 years.
    If you havent found a big cat by now, I suggest you never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 787B6E676E646662606E0B0 link=1277304200/13#13 date=1277383791
    And maybe large feline predators in the caves
    These may well be the beasties lurking in the caverns, just waiting their moment. ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsupial_Lion

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D4940404343796D49554B49260 link=1277304200/5#5 date=1277344629
    I saw a show on discovery about a similar occurrence in Texas *

    So researchers set up a bovine carcass and a 24 hour camera to solve it

    Result
    Natural scavengers and the death process and from memory something to do with maggots making certain surgical marks was the answer to all the unexplained marks,cuts ect

    KK

    I found that story

    I had a chuckle when I read that were city-boy investigators unaccustomed to dealing with animals and natural influences. Give these boys a dead man in down-town Denver and more than likely they would have solved the crime easily, but they were out of their league on these particular types of investigations.

    http://www.texasescapes.com/CFEckhardt/Mysterious-Cattle-Deaths-Not-So-Mysterious.htm

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 33372C392A37580 link=1277304200/0#0 date=1277304200
    anyone else have any stories/speculation?
    Three of the guys I ride with will no longer ride at Dooralong (NSW Central Coast) after being confronted up by a large cat black cat. Two of these three tend to be over-dramatic and I would dismiss it except the third gentlemen is very collected, calm and cool in a pinch. All three saw it at close range, swear it was large dog size and refer to it as "the panther".

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    When I was just a toddler, we were living in Sydney and my Mother was quite surprised one day to find a Lion in the back yard. *Apparently it had escaped from the circus and was fairly quickly caught again. Not what you expect to see when you go to hang out the washing though.....

    I have heard heaps of supposed sightings in various locations around Australia. I dont necessarily believe that they exist but dont totally disbelieve either.

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    RWWWWRRRRRRR


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    Quote Originally Posted by 053522302A2629470 link=1277304200/19#19 date=1277449776
    Quote Originally Posted by 33372C392A37580 link=1277304200/0#0 date=1277304200
    anyone else have any stories/speculation?
    Three of the guys I ride with will no longer ride at Dooralong (NSW Central Coast) after being confronted up by a large cat black cat. Two of these three tend to be over-dramatic and I would dismiss it except the third gentlemen is very collected, calm and cool in a pinch. All three saw it at close range, swear it was large dog size and refer to it as "the panther".
    Considering your avatar, Ill take anything you say on this subject with more than one grain of salt. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 615D405B515047525A51350 link=1277304200/22#22 date=1277451744
    Quote Originally Posted by 053522302A2629470 link=1277304200/19#19 date=1277449776
    Quote Originally Posted by 33372C392A37580 link=1277304200/0#0 date=1277304200
    anyone else have any stories/speculation?
    Three of the guys I ride with will no longer ride at Dooralong (NSW Central Coast) after being confronted up by a large cat black cat. Two of these three tend to be over-dramatic and I would dismiss it except the third gentlemen is very collected, calm and cool in a pinch. All three saw it at close range, swear it was large dog size and refer to it as "the panther".
    Considering your avatar, Ill take anything you say on this subject with more than one grain of salt. *;)
    ;D ;D

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F170F50160A100707620 link=1277304200/20#20 date=1277449959
    I dont necessarily believe that they exist but dont totally disbelieve either. *
    I think there is something out there, whether or not there actually is a population of cougars in the wild i dont know, its not impossible, but its not the only possibility.


    haha also, +1 on the *;D ;D @ TG above.

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    Re: Large feline predators in AUS???

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E5E495B414D422C0 link=1277304200/19#19 date=1277449776
    Quote Originally Posted by 33372C392A37580 link=1277304200/0#0 date=1277304200
    anyone else have any stories/speculation?
    Three of the guys I ride with will no longer ride at Dooralong (NSW Central Coast) after being confronted up by a large cat black cat. Two of these three tend to be over-dramatic and I would dismiss it except the third gentlemen is very collected, calm and cool in a pinch. All three saw it at close range, swear it was large dog size and refer to it as "the panther".
    Why do we always hear reports of these sightings in a round about way? never do we get credible eye witness accounts, or, heaven forbid a nice clear unaltered photo, even better of course would be video footage.
    I imagine people that believe this bunkum also believe in, Easter bunny and the tooth fairy. *;) :D ;D ::) :-*

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1A262F3722430 link=1277304200/25#25 date=1277516934
    people that believe this bunkum also believe in, Easter bunny and the tooth fairy.
    Huh? What should I know about the tooth fairy & the Easter bunny? They do live at the North Pole with Santa right??? :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5053585F45485D545F310 link=1277304200/26#26 date=1277518296
    Quote Originally Posted by 1A262F3722430 link=1277304200/25#25 date=1277516934
    people that believe this bunkum also believe in, Easter bunny and the tooth fairy.
    Huh? What should I know about the tooth fairy & the Easter bunny? They do live at the North Pole with Santa right??? :(
    Not sure about teh tooth fairy...

    But my father was dammed sure they shot a funny dressed rabbit way back in the 40s (i think) when they were trying to manage the then rabbit masses/plagues, out west..

    That why he never came to us :(


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F70797B6C537F707F797B737B706A1E0 link=1277304200/27#27 date=1277519761
    But my father was dammed sure they shot a funny dressed rabbitway back in the 40s
    Your father has a lot to answer for. >:(



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