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    Drug policy

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    Posting this as it is interesting and it mentions caffeine (as a psychoactive substance)

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/drug-policy-stalls-in-lawandorder-gear-20101129-18dkq.html

    Two internationally renowned drug law reform advocates, Ethan Nadelmann and Alex Wodak, pitched a public case at the National Press Club last week for the liberalisation of Australias drug laws.

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    Nadelmann and Wodak argue that the war on drugs has failed, and that we need leadership in Australia to promote a drug policy approach based on science, health and human rights rather than criminalisation.

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    (The writer of the article) can see two major barriers in Australia to the drug law reform initiatives Nadelmann and Wodak argue for.

    One is the paradox in this country of community disapproval of drugs despite widespread use. To illustrate this, take the following test.

    First, make a list of all the drugs and other psychoactive substances you have ever used, including legal "drugs" such as alcohol, tobacco and prescribed and over-the-counter medications. Also list any illegal drugs such as marijuana, heroin, cocaine or ecstasy.

    You should also count other "psychoactive substances" such as caffeine (from coffee to energy drinks and bars) and any herbal preparations that affect your mood, be it calming or energising.

    Second, ask yourself, do you support reduced penalties for the sale or supply of illicit drugs? Do you approve of the regular use of alcohol and other drugs by adults?

    I believe most of you will have listed somewhere between five to 10 drugs and psychoactive substances, and answered "no" to the above questions.

    Australias use of alcohol, drugs, and other psychoactive substances is among the highest globally.

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    Re: Drug policy

    As a family that is going through and will be dealing with, the effects of substance abuse (illegal and others) for the forseeability future and most likely the rest of out lives. This subject is emotional for all and impacts on family / friends and society as a whole.

    A parent does not expect to outlive their children and nor do they wish to to watch them suffer while they are alive. Attending ICU and keeping ones sibling alive on numerous occasions with the hope that one they will come out the other side is sole destroying. The helplessness of the whole situation is at times, beyond comprehension. *ONLY those people directly involved will ever understand.

    Substance abuse is just that and covers many things.

    As to how it should be managed - I reserve my comments; as they are brutal and emotionally charged........

    As a flow on to the disparity and the impact on society.

    Read the following and say a prayer for all parties:

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5758187

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    Re: Drug policy

    Well that was an unexpected response and Im sorry to hear it AM. I dont think I can comment any further other on this.

    I was more interested that poor old caffeine was thrown in. OK, it is a potentially harmful drug but ...well I guess any substance can be abused, the effects on the subject and those around them vary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F55405757584C4A390 link=1291082491/2#2 date=1291090727
    Well that was an unexpected response and Im sorry to hear it AM.
    You and others are not expected to have esp and to know and you did not offend in any way.

    However it is an often unspoken subject and society today often promotes many things and media and so called "Stars and Roll models" are seen to be often untouchable. The media also often promote teh success of many dysfunctional behaviours as carried out by one or two.

    Yet just like a single death in say a car; the actual indecent has many far reaching impacts, on survivors and all associated - it is not just ONE.

    Thus the real impact of substance abuse is not just the "Addict" but many, many more.

    The issue for "Stars and Roll models" is that there is often a substantial pool of $$ that assists in their management and in allowing them to climb out or progress over time.

    For us plebs we get little assistance and can not afford private detox and rehab at costs of $20k a week.

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    Re: Drug policy

    If a drug is available at all, legally or otherwise, some will never touch it, some will use it and some will abuse it.

    In the end, legalisation *should* be about the balance of costs between enforcement of the laws and the cost of the drug use to society. Unfortunately this balance almost NEVER gets a look-in.

    I suspect that if it did, the legality of many drugs would change radically!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 695C4B4979415C434F424A2E0 link=1291082491/4#4 date=1291109535
    If a drug is available at all, legally or otherwise, some will never touch it, some will use it and some will abuse it.

    In the end, legalisation *should* be about the balance of costs between enforcement of the laws and the cost of the drug use to society. Unfortunately this balance almost NEVER gets a look-in.

    I suspect that if it did, the legality of many drugs would change radically!

    Greg
    Well put.

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    Touchy issue. Fortunately I have never had any problems with those close to me having issues with substance abuse etc. Like most people, it is not uncommon to come across someone on the streets clearly under the influence though. Enforcement is certainly a major issue. I know of someone who was caught with a pound of marijuana. His penalty....a $3500 fine and sent on his way. Some say marijuana is not an issue but I would like to disagree.

    It seems to me that the solution is to punish/judge the supplier not the users. I know the users are idiots for doing what they do but often they arent in a frame of mind to know any better. Judging them will only make the problem worse. You could say the same about the suppliers but to that I say who cares. The suppliers arent gonna get any simpathy from me Im afraid.

    I was once told that Marijuana should be legalised. The theory is that legalising something will undercut the black market for it and therefore the authorities might have some control. Good in theory but who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1F2026213C3B0A173A2C3930550 link=1291082491/6#6 date=1291168705
    It seems to me that the solution is to punish/judge the supplier not the users. *I know the users are idiots for doing what they do but often they arent in a frame of mind to know any better. *Judging them will only make the problem worse. *You could say the same about the suppliers but to that I say who cares. *The suppliers arent gonna get any simpathy from me Im afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12273032023A2738343931550 link=1291082491/4#4 date=1291109535
    n the end, legalisation *should* be about the balance of costs between enforcement of the laws and the cost of the drug use to society. Unfortunately this balance almost NEVER gets a look-in.

    I suspect that if it did, the legality of many drugs would change radically!
    Thus a rock and a hard place....

    If I have a company and sell meat / sausages etc that is off and kills people I can be done for manslaughter.

    If I sell a bag of tabs and a few OD and or die... It is not considered, I just get done for dealing and it could be less than 5 tabs and a warning: yet death has been a direct out come.

    Unfortunately, our legal system and society Vs rights etc become messy and more often than not, means that justest misses out.




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