Will have to remember that ship2me address. Cheers!!!! No threat to sponsors here either as the voltage difference is still a barrier.
it does pay to shop around at the moment though. *I have been using Zaino Bros car polish for about 6 years. *I had always bought it from the australian distriutor. *It was AUD220 for the basic kit and had been that way since 2008 GFC. *It still is that price.
In recognition of the AUD they were offering free freight. *(they now have a xmas sale of 10% off too.)
However last month when I was going to buy some more I thought I would check the price in the US *USD84 *:o
The US guys wont ship to Australia and make you go through their Aust Distributor. *However, there are ways around that, www.ship2me.com gets you a US postal address and they will consolidate you packages and ship them on to you.
So even with the extra freight I still save $100. *Yes there are costs involved in getting the stuff here, but unless it is being airfrieghted in lead lined boxes I thinking they might be doing quite well out of the FX movements.
having said that the polish is great stuff, and was worth the inflated $220 anyway.
for US79 I got 2 x 1L bottles of the rejuvinator and clener, as opposed to AUD90 for each 500ml bottle, plus I got a brush, some applicator pads and microfibres included. *So another $100 saving.
here I was refering to a different product Leatherique. it is a leather rejvinator treatment. I had tried heaps of different leather conditioners and never been satisfied with any. So anyone looking for a treatment for your car, this is the one to buy. I was amazed at what it did to some 5 year old leather in a convertible. I have no affiliation with this product or Zaino though. I am just really happy with the results it gave me, and they are not products that most people have heard about. I had just happened to stumble upon them on a forum somewhere. it is a shame they are not stocked anywhere though. 303 protectorant is also good too. That used to be sold by an auto franchise but no more.
Again, this stuff is amazing, and is worth the inflated Australian price for what it does.
So I guess in these times it does pay to shop around.
Will have to remember that ship2me address. Cheers!!!! No threat to sponsors here either as the voltage difference is still a barrier.
Australia can no longer hide behind its weaker currency as an excuse for the way its citizens pay too much for literally EVERYTHING! I, like almost everyone else with a computer, has started to looking at price comparisons between us and the US, and I must say many are real ticked off.
Since the dollar parity I had landed a pair of Levi jeans for $41AU from the USA - made in Columbia!
Houses, cars, clothing, electrical goods, furniture, CDs, computer and games software - almost everything is far more expensive here, and with higher interest rates to boot!
Yes Mocca,Originally Posted by 52707C7C7E7C7671701F0 link=1291782249/2#2 date=1291793012
We need to change things here. Tell your boss hes not to pay you more than $8/hr and tell the government youll pass on subsidised health and social security as well....
Too many people look to other economies with blinkers on.
Its a matter of time until GST and import duty are applied to all imports and Id be happy to start tomorrow.
While we all support overseas business, Australian businesses go under and CSers will lose jobs, but no problem because nobody gives a zac about anyone other than themselves.
We really are becoming very stupid and hugely greedy and that makes us extremely unattractive. So much for the clever country....
For some things I want, I have to shop from the US.
However, there are many advantages to shopping locally and I completely agree with 2mcm here.
We get warranties that work, a much better standard of living for fellow Aussies and keep our economy going that in turn helps out numero uno.
Thats a very good point 2mcm. *Maybe we should make it a lot harder for individuals to claim disability pensions and the like. *Maybe the Dole should only be available for 6 months only, and not for free for 3 generations of families. While we are at it, seeing that we have opened up the global trade under the WTO rules then why dont we ensure that those who work in sweat shops, with poor conditions, with child slave labour, no sick pay, no compensation, no pension scheme, long hours and rates at around 2 dollars a day, to have ensured that these hard working souls were given at least some of the benefits that we demand. *But no, we pay them a pittance, and then get away with the foreign foundries decimating the other environment because the same green laws do not apply to their land. *Had we ensured that more money was paid for Chinese goods then us westerners would not have had the same luxury as we had and without the obscene profits being made by local retailers.
Too much profit is being made at the expense of the poor in developing countries and at the expense of factory workers in western countries. *Everything is out of kilter in this country - starting with the very high leasing costs for retailers, manufacturers, etc. *If a lot of the retailers shut up shop here then it will be initially bad, but will be good in the long run, because leasing costs will fall according to market prices. *As it is now prices are far too high and the market is will not buy it, so adjustments will need to be met. *If anyone here is in retail I sympathise with you, but globalisation has taken many scalps here such as my sister who was a designer in the rag trade - gone - shes moved on. *Others will have to adjust - just like her!
Presumably you buy all of your stuff from Switzerland? :-?
Like many 2mcm, I revelled in buying Chinese goods in the early part of last decade - DVD players for $29.50, cordless drills $19.99, denim jeans $14.99, jocks 5 for $6.99 - funny though, when at the counters buying these items I kept thinking that the prices were too good to be true. *Because a DVD player made under western world union conditions cannot retail for below $300, yet many of us were buying one for almost every room for under 30 dollars each!
Ive since woken up to the trap and, like many, will try and buy Australian where possible (not easy with clothing etc). *But I believe this artificial cheapness will/has come at a cost - and that cost will be a declining living standard for the new generations in the western world. *Dont believe me, then who are our young generation competing with when buying their house blocks? *Try the Chinese! * For the first time in Australian history it costs more to buy a block of land than to build a house. *Like I said, it was too good to be true and we will witness a serious decline in living standards for future generations.
As they say, theres no such thing as a free lunch.
I am into my paintball and was looking to buy a new marker. I found an Australian company and thought hey I might support local and buy it from there. I go on their website and realised that on their site even though it is built and made in Australia, 1.2k USD or 1.4k AUD plus GST, this price was like even when the AUD was worth more then the USD.
I couldnt work out how that worked.
Because they dont update their prices or website daily. Paintballing is an interesting one though. $10-$15 locally for 100 balls when buying from a paintball venue. I remember seeing them on US websites, boxes of 2000 around the $20-30 US mark.Originally Posted by 3366756E000 link=1291782249/8#8 date=1291796200
A lot of the benefits we have seen recently are from a shift in our exchange rate. *For a lot of items prices will equalise. *It is the wholesalers I believe profit the most from these shifts in australia. *It isnt the retailers that are ripping us off. *I could understand the wholesellers wanting to hold onto the windfall as it also goes the other way where they paid more for something than what it is worth. *The only problem there is they are always a lot more eager to pass prices on to us than to share reductions with us.
Globalisation......old topic but no where closer to coming to agreements with it. *I studied a bit of economics and in theory it is a great idea. *If it was the well oiled machine it is in theory we would all get more for less work.
When buying from a Paintball venue, it is a lot like buying a cup of coffee, they make the money from selling at the venue. (A cup of coffee being like 3.3 and a kilo of coffee being like 40)
Straight from the Paintball manufacturer you looking at about 50-80 bucks for 2000 for competition grade paintballs, and in thus many companies do not let you bring it with them.
hopshopgo is also another onforwarder and they will buy for you as well if the place you want to buy from wont accept anything but american credit cards.
As others have said sometimes there are reasons to buy from OS. I wanted a new handbag and Australia just dont bring in what I wanted so it was a given that I was going to buy from Canada instead. Things like the Kindle, its only available from Amazon so therefore its the only choice.
I always like to support our shops first but if there is a huge difference in price I cant justify that, we all have to live and the cost of living is going up and our wages arent.
Well I didnt mean to start a polictical discussion. *I actually posted in what was another resurected thread about price rises in coffee machines from 08 following the GFC, and an observation someone made about the prices not necessarily coming down following the correction of the AUD *but it was moved here.
But both of the products I listed are niche products made in the US. *As far as I am aware, neither of them are actually stocked in any retail outlet. *They all need to be purchased online, from the Australian distributors. *So the only value add they are providing is about 1 or 2 days shipping speed and an AUD charge to my CC. *
But while we are on the political/economic subject....
It really is the benefit or in some peoples mind cost of globalisation and to some extent the free market at work. *Markets and the whole shopping experience has changed over the decades as new technologies and methods have developed and with it comes greater choice and to some extent price reductions. *It is a fact of life everything needs to change and evolve and I dont think we can live in denial of this. *A good example of denial, would be the subsidies the US government pays to inefficent farmers and at the risk of pissing QLDers off, the subsidies we are in indirectly paying to sugar cane farmers with the inclusion of ethanol in our fuel. *
For every one unit of energy used to produce sugarcane ethanol, eight units are created. This of course depends on what study you are reading and perhaps cynically who funded the study.
Heres an interesting read from this mornings Australian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-plots-free-trade-revolution/story-fn59niix-1225968580715 that is bound to get Gerry Harveys and other retailers knickers in a twist.
Instead of imposing import tariffs Emerson is maintaining the line of ultimate elimination of trade barriers.
If Australian business people expect to be able to have unrestricted access to overseas markets we have to offer them the opportunity to sell to us on an equal footing.
There is no question, competition is good for the consumer. ;)
I think GH is a greedy so and so.Originally Posted by 665A534B5E3F0 link=1291782249/13#13 date=1291931558
He talks about all this with a patriotic tone but really its all about more sales for his business.
Im sure the other day I saw that hes planning to start an online sales business now (if you cant beat em join em) and IIRC he and other large players are going to build large overseas centres from which to manufacture and ship direct to online consumers.
In other words they will be spending lots of dollars in an overseas economy so they can tap the online market.
I saw the same article, got a bit of a chuckle out of it. ;)Originally Posted by 5D617C676D6C7B6E666D090 link=1291782249/14#14 date=1291932830
Have never shopped at HN and never will. Much prefer to support our local small businesses and keep the money circulating within the community. It sometimes works out a little more expensive up front but you cant beat the service and support.
A bit like our very own Site Sponsors actually.... :) 8-)
Think we will have to agree to differ on this issue Mal.Originally Posted by 062B2F232E420 link=1291782249/16#16 date=1291961727
I shop with my head not my heart and certainly wont slavishly follow the recommendations of others.
I will and do support local traders or sponsors if they are price competitive, easy to deal with and offer and deliver good service, having said that if I am able to buy the same product from an offshore supplier who offers all of the above at a landed price 40 or 50% under what I can buy for locally, its a no brainer as far as Im concerned.
Ive been regularly buying overseas (mainly from the US) since the mid 70s and have yet to have a bad experience.
If you do your homework, buy from reputable people and use recognised freight services its as easy as falling off a log. ;)
Ditto from me mate.... Have been doing this since the early 70s for odds and ends that I cant get here in Oz.Originally Posted by 536F667E6B0A0 link=1291782249/17#17 date=1291967696
I think theres been a misunderstanding of some sort.... :-?
Would another spin on the putting Australians out of work by buying overseas be that you give somebody overseas a job?
After all with the social security systems in many of these countries this job could be the only way the family from overseas gets to eat?
While if you are the unemployed person even one person truly unemployed is too many unemployment is Australia is quite low compared to many parts of the world.
Certainly there are huge advantages of buying local if there is warrantee issues for instance.
But really for any company to keep customers happy it has to offer value to its customers.
Low price is not the only way to provide value to a customer.
Well, to put a "buy local" spin on this... there is an Australian company that will do similar to that (not sure how the prices compare though).Originally Posted by 0E21242339224D0 link=1291782249/0#0 date=1291782248
They price clearly, in Australian dollars and offer a very fair exchange rate. Costs are actual costs and the fee is a flat 5%
For me, I dont think I would bother using these services for things that I can easily get here but there are lots of times when I have run into "Sorry, only USA" on items I wanted.
if a business cant be competitive and add sufficient value to the product (warranty, service, etc) to justify price rises over the cost of purchasing yourself from OS of course I will buy OS. we shouldnt be obliged to buy from an australian just because he has a business and wants to make money.Originally Posted by 2A756D7B707B777E7E7D7D757976180 link=1291782249/3#3 date=1291793237
Fair enough Mal, I may well have taken your comments the wrong way, as Ive remarked in the past we do seem to share similar view points. :)Originally Posted by 436E6A666B070 link=1291782249/18#18 date=1291985190
Im unemployed and I buy occasionally from OS.
I have no problem with others buying from OS either.
With the very limited income I currently have, if I can save a few dollars buy buying OS, I will.
Usually though the items I buy are those I cant get here.
Me putting more dollars in billionaire Gerry Harveys pocket is not going to get me a job.
My last full-time contract was with Optus.
My contract wasnt renewed due to budget restrictions.
I cant figure out where anyone was spending money OS that caused me to be put out of a job.
Maybe the opposite, Optus is owned by Singtel (based in Singapore) maybe not enough money was ending up in Singapore and thats why Im out of work.
A lot of you already know I spend my coffee money with sponsors and encourage others to do the same.
Its a complicated issue. :-/
That it is TG. A veritable tight-rope walk without the benefit of a balancing pole.....Originally Posted by 675B465D575641545C57330 link=1291782249/23#23 date=1292033446
I got this mail sent to me from www.moneymorning.com.au and thought it would have a place on this thread. *Someone mentioned about minimum wages, but it looks like the governments meddling goes far deeper than that. *The direct link to the article is;
How Government Hidden Taxes are Killing Retailers
by SHAE SMITH on 25 DECEMBER 2010
Today is my last Money Weekend for the next few months. So I thought we’d take another look at the idea that online shopping is hurting our retail industry.
And with Boxing Day – which is more commonly known as ‘Shopping Day’ in the Smith household – here tomorrow, it’s fitting that we revisit this topic.
A couple of months ago, I mentioned the retailers were lobbying the government to apply the Goods and Services Tax (GST) to goods bought online from overseas retailers.
The Age helped the Gerry Harvey and mates with this article, revealing ‘…that they are speaking with sector colleagues about mounting a campaign against the government over what they claim is an uneven playing field.‘
And then, on Monday, Kris briefly tackled this again. Pointing out that it’s not the GST that’s hurting the retail industry.
‘…It’s not all the fault of the lazy and arrogant retailers. The government has a lot to answer for too – red tape, minimum wages, and import duties‘, he said.
To be honest, there’s nothing quite so satisfying to see lazy corporations losing money because they didn’t listen to the consumers that keep them in business.
It’s frustrating the big retailers are using the government as their excuse for any loss of revenue.
Just a quick scan of the comments left by The Age readers shows a different picture. Clearly a picture that Gerry Harvey and Solomon Lew can’t see.
Quite simply, people are shopping online and overseas out of choice. There’s so much more available than in Australia. But most importantly, it’s about half the price to shop overseas as it is here.
Not only that, there’s no car parking issues or sour and slightly hung over unhelpful Gen Y staff to deal with.
And look, a nice strong Aussie Dollar certainly does help.
Kris hit the nail on the head.
Lobbying the government to apply a GST isn’t going to increase foot traffic through retailers’ doors.
It’s all the taxes that have already been applied to the products available in Australia that are crippling the retail industry.
Let’s take a quick look at the apparel and footwear imports available in Australia.
Clothing alone in the past has attracted a 17.5% duty before it’s even found its way to the shops. Yeah sure, that’s been lowered to a 10% duty from 2010, but by the time you add GST you already paying 20% in taxes. That you know about.
Then you’ve got the hidden taxes.
And those reader, come from the big shopping centre giants themselves.
Think about it. If you’re a home owner, you’ve got your annual rates to pay. As directed by the local council.
Those big shiny shopping centres that most Australians love so much have their own rates to pay.
And local councils will ensure that each year, the rates for the shopping centre increase as well.
But not only are the shopping centre giants paying a land tax, they’re also copping a lovely ‘car park levy’. Which a council may or may not charge.
Now, do you think that the Chadstone or the Chatswood shopping places of Australia would wear this cost? Of course not! In fact the costs are passed on to each retailer based on the size of the retail space.
You’re aware that you’re forking out 20% to the federal government, but you’ve got no idea how much actually goes to the local government?
Next time you park in the ‘free’ car park, think about what’s it’s actually costing you.
And finally, then you have the minimum wage argument.
Let’s be honest. Whenever minimum wage is tackled here at Money Morning, the inbox becomes so full, it can take days to clear.
However, the government insists upon a certain wage, and a business must cover this cost somehow. So, that cost get’s passed onto you. You’re the one paying the minimum wage. Unless you decide to shop online of course, then the shop still has to cover the minimum wage, but he’s got no customers to pay for it.
The average full time retail worker in Australia earns a base wage of $15.30, compared to USD$7 an hour in America. And that’s before you add the 10% for Saturday penalty rates, Sunday’s time and half and a public holiday’s ‘double time’.
Now a casual employee’s base hourly wage is about 25% more than that. And this year, the labour costs to business increased 11.5% thanks to the demand from unions and governments insisting on a raised minimum wage.
Based on two full time and two casual employees, the average retail business can expect to cough up $140,000 on average in labour costs alone.
Just looking at those numbers can you see how the USD$20 T-shirt in America quickly becomes a $60 T-Shirt here?
These factors combined are what’s driving people to shop overseas online.
It’s wrong to say that it’s just the GST. And applying pressure on the government for a tax grab will not stop people spending their money in the U.K. or the U.S.
Between the upfront taxes and duties, the hidden local council costs and the minimum wage, shopping in Australia are no longer affordable.
Many years ago the government introduced ‘duties’ on imported goods to be sold in Australia. It was all in the name of ‘protecting’ our textile industry.
With our textile industry pretty much buried, these duties are slowly killing retail as we know it.
Yet again, you have an example of the government insisting it can ‘protect the people’ by applying unnecessary taxes that you end up paying.
If retailers want to stay in business, it needs to tackle the taxes the government force upon consumers.
It’s the amount of tax that retailers are paying that should be abolished.
The government has made sure it’s too expensive to shop in Australia, forcing consumers to spend money overseas, and crippling the very industry it thought it was protecting.