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    Japans tragedy.

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    So far there has been a unhealthy dose of mother nature at play around the world last year and this.

    Weve had our share of droughts, floods and earthquakes both here and our neighbour across the tasman. I did not mention fires as i believe most if not all have been started either deliberately or a cigarette butt tossed out by a toughtless human.

    Now recently our friends over at Japan are now suffering the consequences of an earthquake and the resulting tsunami that followed.

    To think, the stuff that keeps us alive has the power to take away lives.
    Most of the damage caused was not from the tremors, but the water that flowed through, destroying everything in its path.

    Today, we see the real danger still unfolding from nuclear radiation from 3 units.
    I dont think the damage it will cause will be as bad as Chernobyl because graphite was used in the construction of the cores, which combusted, contributing to a greater catastrophe than Japans.

    Our thoughts go to them.
    Am sure Japan being a proud country will re-build stronger than before.
    They have the willpower to do that, being used to tragedy on a regular basis.

    I wonder whats next.
    Just hope nothing tragic happens to our coffee supplies ehh? :-X

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4D575A5B495F474D4D3E0 link=1299998436/0#0 date=1299998436
    I wonder whats next.
    Just hope nothing tragic happens to our coffee supplies ehh?
    If the earthquakes are heading around the Ring of Fire--then North America is probably next. Do we get coffee from California?

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    Its all pretty scary stuff. So many have lost their lives. We are certainly thinking about everyone over there.

    I just wish the stupid media would back off. They just seem to love flying into these places for a poke around! Mel and Koshi from Ch7 Will be there live no doubt on Monday am. ::)

    The world is certainly going off but I wonder if we are a race are listening to the message.

    Its also another vote against nuclear power too in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 634E4C4A4746422F0 link=1299998436/2#2 date=1300009559
    Its also another vote against nuclear power too in my opinion.

    I think the opposite. Australia is a huge land mass, not on a fault line, and with lots of land away from populated areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 507D7F797475711C0 link=1299998436/2#2 date=1300009559
    Its also another vote against nuclear power too in my opinion
    Not sure if media is reporting correctly. Pretty sure you will find that the reactors were set up to handle earthquakes etc. They are trying to avoid a meltdown but I reckon that they are probably pretty well on top of it. Japan is a country that takes everything seriously. I guess full disclosure is something that is important with nuclear even if it does give people the impression that things are worse than they are.

    Back on topic it is a bit scary what has been going on in the world lately. Perhaps it is the fact that it has been happening in developed countries. I find it a little sad that we all take a lot more notice when it happens in a developed country as it is a little "Closer to Home." We are living in a generation that likes control and I guess this sort of stuff makes us a little nervous. I really feel for those that have been affected by the dramas lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 083731362B2C1D002D3B2E27420 link=1299998436/4#4 date=1300064890
    Back on topic it is a bit scary what has been going on in the world lately.* Perhaps it is the fact that it has been happening in developed countries.* I find it a little sad that we all take a lot more notice when it happens in a developed country as it is a little "Closer to Home."* We are living in a generation that likes control and I guess this sort of stuff makes us a little nervous.* I really feel for those that have been affected by the dramas lately.
    So true but one has to remember all this is Normal and to be Expected as teh plates move and earth evolves.

    Our view and experience is no more than a snap in time and if one was to take a big picture view. To also expect that at some stage in the future it will be MUCH worse, before it stabilises for some time -again.

    Will it be months / days or years etc ?? Have no idea, but it will happen and humanity is but an itch and can do nothing but hang on for the ride 8-)






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    Quote Originally Posted by 2837352F36233435225A0 link=1299998436/3#3 date=1300010130
    Australia is a huge land mass, not on a fault line, and with lots of land away from populated areas.
    It is not correct to assume that we are not exposed to seismic activity. There was a magnitude 5 in Kalgoorlie last year, and a 5.6 in Newcastle in 1989. By comparison, Christchurch was 6.3 (but the epicentre was shallow and quite close).

    There are many minor fault lines in Australia so we arent likely to experience events to the scale of Japan or Sumatra for example but enough to cause damage to buildings. We are still exposed to tsunamis. The Japan tsunami caused a fair amount of damage (to moored boats) in California.

    So the assumption that Australia is a safe place to build nuclear power stations is a relative one. The remoteness is not that much of a factor as the steam cloud that arose from the Fukushima reactors could affect areas in an 80km zone.

    Anyway, Japan lives with seismic activities as almost a daily event. No one could prepare for something of the magnitude of the Sendai quake and the speed that the tsunami struck.

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    Latest news i saw today is that Japan wants to build LNG power stations. Not sure if its a sign that says nuclear is on the way out....

    Just saw a second explosion on the TV just now. Scary.

    I applaud Kevin Rudd on his stance on demanding that Japan be open and release details on Australians still missing as well as more information about the nuclear situation.

    We have to take into account that Japan is a proud country, and they are not forthcoming to the world about every information they have on hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by 444E5B4C4C435751220 link=1299998436/6#6 date=1300069989
    steam cloud that arose from the Fukushima reactors could affect areas in an 80km zone
    If a major catastrophe ensues and radiation is released into the atmosphere, jet streams can carry it in a easterly direction to USA.

    A tsunami is a definite possibility here in Aust as the Pacific rim runs from Indonesia right round to New Zealand.

    Heres some more news, a volcano has erupted in Japan, goodness.....they must be praying, enough already!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5E4449485A4C545E5E2D0 link=1299998436/7#7 date=1300095854
    Not sure if its a sign that says nuclear is on the way out....
    Not sure, but the Australian Uranium sector sharemarket was devalued by over $1b today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E5459584A5C444E4E3D0 link=1299998436/7#7 date=1300095854
    a volcano has erupted in Japan, goodness.....they must be praying, enough already!!
    Japans position on the Pacific and Eurasian rims means that it has both earthquakes and volcanoes to contend with.

    Check this list out - 9 have erupted in the last 10 years -two so far this year

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Japan

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    Thanks for the info Flynn.

    We dont realise it but the very plate we are sitting on, which is the Australasian plate is heading northwards at 3-5 cm a year, invariably colliding with the pacific plate. Im at the moment unsure if the collision will result in the same result the Indian plate has caused in its northward movement into the Asian plate. This produces the Himalayan mountains that we see today.

    All this grinding produces earthquakes as two plates move over one another.

    As Flynn has pointed out, earthquakes and volcanoes are part and parcel of the geography.

    The upside of this is the rich growing soils for coffee and tea from the byproducts of volcanoes, not to mention the elevation they provide for Arabica coffee growing conditions.

    As for Japan, the bases of volcanoes provide rich conditions for agriculture.
    Unfortunately for them, the spectre of earthquakes is a way of life for them. Witness the ceremonies during times to ward off evil spirits and prayers of thanks to the good spirits for the riches of the earth.

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    Re: Japans tragedy.

    Interesting responses.

    I think this thread could be a very illuminating read.

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    Having seen the devistation over the last few days unfold on TV, its hard to imagine how folk are coping in Japan. Even though we have had our own hardships over the last few months its nice to see that Australians are there to help out. I wish we could do more. Its going to take them years to rebuild and the though of another Tsunami will be forever at the back of the peoples mind.

    Also we had our own little earthquake. Just goes to show that we do have them, and we are also just as vunerable from Tsumamis as any other coastal country. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/small-earthquake-detected-off-the-coast-of-innisfail/story-e6frf7l6-1226022089941

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    Re: Japans tragedy.

    Although Im still feeling upset at what I see every day on the news, at least tonight I feel a little better that the families of some of my students are OK.

    I currently teach karate to children from two Japanese families.

    It was a relief tonight to hear that at least their families have not been affected.



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