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    Anti virus software???

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    Ive been running the full version of AVG for the past couple of years, now its up for renewal.
    Other programs seem to be rated well above it now, in particular Bitdefender, its difficult to get an objective review, they all seem to want to flog you their favourite.
    Im wondering what others are using and what their thoughts are? :)

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    I swear by the free version of Avast. Its a ripper! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7459465549300 link=1333752830/1#1 date=1333753084
    I swear by the free version of Avast. Its a ripper! :)
    Thanks Divey, I appreciate your reply.
    Im not looking for freeware, whatever I settle on I want the full version. :)

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    Gday Jon,

    we also run the full AVG Internet Security Business Edition.

    The problem with your question is of course....how do any of us know how well it is or isnt working?

    In our case its there, and it apparently does its thing. I have no idea what those that "rate" these things do or know about what goes on in the the background, that these softwares fix or prevent so that we dont see it or know it even happened.........?????

    A question then for the tech savvy.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Ive been using Viper. Less well known in Aus, but has done a great job and they have awesome customer support. When I upgraded from AVG full to Viper, Viper found something on the computer which AVG hadnt, so I was impressed with that.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Ive been using Avira Premium for the last few years after extensive research (and also the free version on my roast monitoring lappy). There are a few comparative reviews around but you would not rely on the advice of one site.

    An interesting article.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    NOD32 - been using it for years.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    If you are using XP, Vista or W7 there is absolutely no need to pay for AV software, or indeed use any of the other free ones. What AV manufacturers and computer retailers have been trying to hide from you for the last few years is that Microsoft have their own AV software, its free, light, purpose designed for the OS and actually should be an install by default on all windows boxes.

    http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=5201



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    Oh no, Microsoft + Free = no good. I must admit though Security essentials has come a long way Forefront. As with all anti-virus programs, they are all much the same and will each protect you until they come up against a virus they cannot protect against.

    The best advice is dont click on dodgy links, dont click on popups, dont click on advertisements, dont install toolbars, dont install screensavers, dont open attachments from people you dont know or werent expecting. These are all common sense things when playing on the internet.

    Follow these simple rules and you will rarely come across a virus. Oh and run a backup program of your choice as a backup.

    Tim.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B4F584E55627E525B5B58583D0 link=1333752830/3#3 date=1333756775
    Gday Jon,

    we also run the full AVG Internet Security Business Edition.

    The problem with your question is of course....how do any of us know how well it is or isnt working?

    In our case its there, and it apparently does its thing. I have no idea what those that "rate" these things do or know about what goes on in the the background, that these softwares fix or prevent so that we dont see it or know it even happened.........?????

    A question then for the tech savvy.
    GDay Atillio,
    I guess the proof of the pudding is....etc, AVG has never let me down, but Bitdefender is quite a bit cheaper and is better rated, at the moment its a toss up between AVG and Bitdefender.
    I know a lot of people run free ware quite successfully, I dont have any confidence in it, Im a firm believer in "you get what you pay for"
    Trust your having a good Easter break. :)

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    I use trend and have for years. Never skipped a beat. It is pricey. I just use one of the extra licenses on my parents. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0623342B2615737B7472420 link=1333752830/6#6 date=1333759719
    NOD32 - been using it for years.
    Same here. Been using it for years and very happy. Never picked up a virus. It easily removed a virus on a mates computer that defeated Norton.

    Doug

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    My son is the computer expert of the house and he recommends AVG. We use the free version. It has picked up problems with websites that run paid versions of other AV programs.

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Thanks for your replies and input people, have gone with Bitdefender, half the price of AVG and much better rated, time will tell. :)

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    I used to swear by AVG until a few years ago, its become too bloated for my liking

    Ive got kaspersky on my home machine at the moment and find it to be quite good, previousy I had avast free

    Ive got nod32 on my work machine and its great

    I like kaspersky and nod as I find them to be bother very lightweight

    (Jon I know youve already bought one, but figured id toss my hat in the ring as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3A223825393E332825234A0 link=1333752830/14#14 date=1333884065
    I used to swear by AVG until a few years ago, its become too bloated for my liking

    Ive got kaspersky on my home machine at the moment and find it to be quite good, previousy I had avast free

    Ive got nod32 on my work machine and its great

    I like kaspersky and nod as I find them to be bother very lightweight

    (Jon I know youve already bought one, but figured id toss my hat in the ring as well)
    Thanks Frosty. ;)

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    Hey Jon,

    are you defending a single machine or a server set up?

    rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A474343574C2E0 link=1333752830/8#8 date=1333766235
    Oh no, Microsoft + Free = no good. I must admit though Security essentials has come a long way*
    Actually in this case, very good. As I said, none of the IT stores want you to know about Microsoft Security Essentials because there is so much margin in selling unsuspecting consumers AV software.

    Sadly as this thread shows, people still fall for the trap that because something costs more it must be better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 142037213A0D113D34343737520 link=1333752830/16#16 date=1333885131
    Hey Jon,

    are you defending a single machine or a server set up?

    rgds,
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    Evening Atillio, single machines x 3, 15 years of important data to take care of, losing any of it would be a bit of a nightmare, yep I back up to external drives religiously. :)

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Quote Originally Posted by 78444D5540210 link=1333752830/18#18 date=1333894547
    15 years of important data to take care of, losing any of it would be a bit of a nightmare, yep I back up to external drives religiously. :)*
    I hope you are using more than one media type and housing your backups at multiple sites. And dont lose sight of the changes in apps, OS and hardware over time. If youre not actually using older files but keeping them safe "just in case", parts may not be as useful as you hope.

    Any digital images, video, audo, email, spreadsheet or database files saved in libraries created by an app (and everyone has some) are particular susceptible to changes in technology. Its hard to decide on the best future-proof file and data formats to rely on for backup. Its sometimes better to have the same data saved under different file formats.

    It also helps to rationalize backup as having two distinct purposes. Archive vs disaster recovery. The approach and techniques used differ for the two purposes.

    The best security software can only save the here and now. You also need to plan for the past.




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    Re: Anti virus software???

    Expanding the topic a little, what does the collective think about A V S for systems incorporating servers and networked computers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 487C6B7D66514D6168686B6B0E0 link=1333752830/20#20 date=1334029226
    Expanding the topic a little, what does the collective think about A V S for systems incorporating servers and networked computers?
    Do you mean 1) as a management tool. or 2) which would we recommend ?
    If 1) Brilliant if the chosen product has a) good command and control, b) offers variety in the way it handles deployment and updates to workstations and c) the workstations connect to your network regularly but not necessarily constantly.
    If 2) Ive used several and really good ones can be expensive. McAfee and Trend were two that met a) and b) conditions. If your server/s act as your email, web or ras/vpn they are especially good. Ive been out of the decision loop for a few years so things may have changed.

    For simplicity Im calling desktop, laptops, tablets and phones all workstations.

    The mobility of your networked workstations can greatly affect how you deploy av. If laptops/ tablets/phones only connect sporadically, you cant rely on centralized control and deployment of av updates. One advantage of* some systems is they can isolate and quarantine suspect workstations when they finally do connect to your protected network.

    Thats my experience anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C687F69724559757C7C7F7F1A0 link=1333752830/20#20 date=1334029226
    what does the collective think about A V S for systems incorporating servers and networked computers?
    I use ESET Nod32 as mentioned. It can get a little tricky punching custom holes through the firewall, but security wise seems good. It can be deployed and administred centrally.

    Quote Originally Posted by 437F766E7B1A0 link=1333752830/18#18 date=1333894547
    yep I back up to external drives religiously
    how religiously?
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    im a big time computer nerdo, Ive studied it at uni i build them etc etc Computing is as important to me as coffee.. is there such thing as a ComputerSnob ?

    Anyway i have to ask firstly,
    What are you trying to protect ? Is there really anything of value on your PC? If so, have it backed up and not stored on your PC, so i ask again, is there anything really worth protecting on your PC ? Do you really think anyone wants to break into my pc to see i have a copy of a few games, some uni assignments and some songs?

    Do you go treading around "murky waters" as in are you doing or looking at things which one wouldnt look at in front of there mothers / or getting involved in things which Mr plod wouldnt approve of?

    If not then why bother with a virus scanner. I run a Mac and a PC, well about 4 PCs and a couple of macs and i run no virus scanners on any of them, why ? Cause i really find them unnecessary.

    They chew up lots of your systems resources on the off chance that you MIGHT get something.
    I guess its like thinking of it as, imagine hiring a security company to protect your house. However they need to take up 2 rooms to setup all there gear, and then every time you interact with anything in your house, you need to ask there permission and if the mailman comes the security team has to strip search the mailman.
    Takes up lots of space, slow everything down and really is just nanoying.

    I guess to most people they will just think what i say is silly, but then i take computing a bit more seriously and i dont like my performance slowed down for a JUST IN CASE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 546869727465656E3133000 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    Do you really think anyone wants to break into my pc to see i have a copy of a few games, some uni assignments and some songs?
    Hackers have been known to use your PC to send their SPAM.

    Quote Originally Posted by 546869727465656E3133000 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    I guess to most people they will just think what i say is silly, but then i take computing a bit more seriously and i dont like my performance slowed down for a JUST IN CASE!
    I know what youre saying but have you had a machine infected?
    An infection can slow your machine down a hellava lot more than an AV program and then theres the whole exercise of removing the bloody intrusion. Not so simple.

    Disclosure: I havent studied computers at uni (my son has) but Ive been using them for over 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4874697278796E7B73781C0 link=1333752830/24#24 date=1334195087
    Quote Originally Posted by 546869727465656E3133000 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    Do you really think anyone wants to break into my pc to see i have a copy of a few games, some uni assignments and some songs?
    Hackers have been known to use your PC to send their SPAM.

    Quote Originally Posted by 546869727465656E3133000 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    I guess to most people they will just think what i say is silly, but then i take computing a bit more seriously and i dont like my performance slowed down for a JUST IN CASE!
    I know what youre saying but have you had a machine infected?
    An infection can slow your machine down a hellava lot more than an AV program and then theres the whole exercise of removing the bloody intrusion. Not so simple.

    Disclosure: I havent studied computers at uni (my son has) but Ive been using them for over 30 years.
    I agree with both statements and yes have had an infected machine and yes its very annoying, but in the last 10 years ive had 2 viruses and both times from obtaining some unsavoury software. Other than that i havent had any issues at all. They were both in early XP days.

    Both times basically reformat and reinstall OS i dont both trying to clean it. I use my PC in the same fashion today. Keep nothing important on the main drive, so IF there is an issue then format, reinstall and done, i would rather lose 30 minutes of my life re-installing the OS and the drivers and have a PC at full speed than live with a slow PC day to day.

    I think its an issue you can approach from many angles and come up with the right answer i guess its peoples personal fears and preferences that drive them to there decision.

    I like to live on the edge :D ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 003C3D262031313A6567540 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    why bother with a virus scanner
    sRsLy? you think someone cares whether you have anything important on your PC or not? The mere fact that you own a PC makes you a target for bots, script kiddies, ad-ware and whatever else. It doesnt matter if you have any data worth stealing - your computer can and will be used (when discovered) for cloud style DOS attacks, spam relays, and other useful things.

    Finally, if all a virus can do is wreck havoc with windows and make you re-install, then it will happily do so and nothing else. Sure, we all have complete system backups, but I dont want to use them every few days...

    If a virus scanner really slows down your pc that much, then theres a problem with your virus scanner.

    What you say may apply to a firewall - all I use is NAT behind my aDSL modem/router for my desktop and that is probably good enough since no one else is on the network.

    However, thats how I run my show, and like I say about coffee - you should make and drink it your way :)

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    I know what your saying and understand you fully.

    However to say every few days is a bit exetreme. I have a few tricky little apps which monitor incoming and outgoing traffic and where and how they are coming in and going out and i have rarely been affected by any of these little nasties.
    Im not saying im immune, no way not at all. But there are certain things you can do to lower the risk of any issues happening.

    I realise why people would think its crazy to not run anti virus software, but i havent been affected really in any adverse way nor do i feel threatened that i will be affected.

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    for many, many good reasons: but for example everytime you download something ( legit or not) surely? OK, I see you like to live dangerously and dont think rebuilding an infected Pc is a major pain in the Ar5e. But ive done it way too many times.

    Any another- i do a lot of banking ion my PC - i bet you do to. What about keloggers etc?

    Actually Im wondering if youre post is just to get a raise, or you are fair dinkum?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5864657E786969623D3F0C0 link=1333752830/23#23 date=1334193940
    If not then why bother with a virus scanner. I run a Mac and a PC, well about 4 PCs and a couple of macs and i run no virus scanners on any of them, why ? Cause i really find them unnecessary.

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    A firewall in your router will only protect you so far. I still get viruses in emails and even though Im not dumb enough to open them its an extra layer of security. Also my wife is not as aware of the dangers - neither are the kids.

    A virus scanner may be a belt and braces approach but Ive never been bitten by a virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6D51504B4D5C5C57080A390 link=1333752830/27#27 date=1334209247
    However to say every few days is a bit exetreme
    youre right, I was exaggerating (my mother told me to stop that...) But still, in my opinion its about risk mitigation. 6 Sigma defines a risk value something like:

    risk value = likelihood x severity x reporting

    even if you assume the likelihood is low (which I dont), severity is high, and youre not notified when a virus infects (bad):

    value = 3 x 9 x 10 = 270/300

    now, if you can lower both the likelihood and severity by installing a scanner, and that it notifies you automatically:

    value = 2 x 5 x 5 = 50/300

    which is a drastic change. Of course the numbers are made up but the principle is true. If you find rebuilding your PC, data, etc. a hassle, and a virus scanner only saves you once a lifetime, then its worth it

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D51504B4D5C5C57080A390 link=1333752830/27#27 date=1334209247
    I have a few tricky little apps which monitor incoming and outgoing traffic and where and how they are coming in and going out and i have rarely been affected by any of these little nasties.
    unfortunately, vanilla installs of windows are known to be exploited without even opening internet explorer, and no amount of traffic monitoring can stop as many bugs as a virus scanner... IMHO :)

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    Re: Anti virus software???

    I swear by Avast, and have the full version for peace of mind and less annoying update procedure etc.

    Fwiw as all setups are different, Bitdefender did not gel with me, and AVG was a real resource hog.

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    I run MS security essentials on my windows 7 laptop and it seems to do OK, I havent experienced any nasties since using it.

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    Adding to Wogman above - Microsoft decided to make anti-virus software. They had the resources to do it right. Then they decided to give it away to get some market share in the area. They couldnt bundle it with Win7 because theyve been burned before for monopolistic behaviour. They could, however, make it available for free download.

    IMHO youd be nuts not to take advantage of the unique situation. Ive been using it for 2 years with no complaints - set and forget (totally invisible), low resource usage,* good protection.

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    Its probably not so much the antivirus solution youre using as opposed to how youve configured the security on your computer.

    Things to consider:
    1. How have you set automatic updates of DAT and engines files.
    2. Are you scanning on an ad-hoc basis?
    3. Do you perform periodic patching of windows?
    4. Do you have an firewall set correctly?

    These are key things to consider in terms of securing your PC.



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