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    Hey guys,

    My partner and I currently own a little Japanese Spitz male who is about 14-15 weeks old. He gets left totally alone for 3 days a week, i have uni, partner works, which is no problem we have a big back yard and he goes exploring and sleeps most of the day anyway.

    However we have been thinking about getting a 2nd JS, but this time a female. We firstly think it would be nice for our dog to have another pack member and a canine companion.

    Im interested to know of stories of people who went from 1 to 2 dogs any how they found the experience. In terms of responsibilty, if we already have 1 dog i cant see having a 2nd dog much harder or much more work, but the rewards will outweigh the burdens. Our little pup will have friend, the new pup will have a friend and a good home.

    They really dont eat that much food cause of there size, but they are pretty energetic and because we cant sit there and play with the dog all the time, i was thinking another dog would be able to do that. Its not about being lazy and getting another dog to replace our care and time, but rather be nice for both the dogs to have pack mate.

    cheers guys

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    Hi there
    We have two dogs, 1 male & 1 female and they keep each other company.
    A few years ago we had 1 dog who used to get up to mischief as he got bored during the day so after he passed away and when it was time to get a new dog we decided that two was the go.

    Yeah it is a bit more expensive to keep two but i think their interaction with you is greater when there are two of them and our two tend to be less inclined to destroy things (puppy stage aside)

    Mal

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    Hey Mal,

    yeah thats what i spoke about with my GF too, i suggest that our little pup might not be so interested in mischief is he has a buddy to wrestle and play with rather than focus his energy onto the environment.

    Yeah the intial cost of anothe pup is a bit of a burden, but we found a nice breeder whose blood line differes from our boy, so we could even have a litter or 2 down the track which would recoup all costs, however we arent breeders and its not our priority.

    I just like Japanese Spitz, they are very smart, playful loyal dogs. The cost i can see coming from owning a 2nd dog is, a tad bit more food, vet bill and inital cost, otherwise it takes really no extra effort to look after than 1 we have now.

    I think im convinced to get another. My Gf is leaving it upto me to decided on getting this one so others oppions are good too.

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    I have two dogs, both are female one is 8 and the other one is 9. They both get along together for one main reason. the way we have brought them up.
    Age, Type and sex of the dog doesnt even come into it if you do the right things while bringing them up and intergrating them. It takes time to train dogs like it does to raise a child.

    Ours also have a loving relationship with our two cats

    Chris :)

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    We have a 8 year old cat and this pup and the dog likes to stir the cat and the cat likes to hiss and swipe the dog! its a bit chaotic!

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    At the moment we have 3 bitches. Used to have those 3 and a dog as well.

    We regularly have 5 when my son and daughter in laws dogs visit. And twice a year we have pups.

    The secret as coffeechris said is in the training.

    And it helps to have a large yard, but that is probably breed dependent. Ours have about a third of an acre to themselves, including a lock up dog run for when they need to be isolated from eachother or others......

    Training is the key.

    If you dont have time for them and they are just going to languish in the yard forget it, as you have to cater to their needs and instincts as well as your own. And of course remember you are in it for the long haul as they are not like a toy that can be discarded when the owner gets tired of it.....

    Hope that helps,
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    mice, rats, tiger snakes, frogs, kangaroos and others.

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    I have always had several dogs at once.

    My last two were females and one came after the other. As much as there was an age difference between them, when one died of old age, the second started to get ill and over time but within a year, died as well. Its the sad thing about having two, I think.

    I now have a brother and sister pair of Stumpy Red cattle dogs who are also very close. A bond that was brought home to me the other day when I had to take the dog to the vet and his sister was left at home. When I came back without him, she ran around me and back to their kennel, looking and quite clearly asking me where was he! So, we had some girl time but in the end she just went and stayed in the kennel, waiting for her brother to reappear. When I brought him home the next day their reunion was quite fun to watch!

    So, I would say go for it, however, just be aware that you might have to deal with separation anxiety at those times when you need to take one away from the other.

    Hey Attilio, were the same! Though, I think we have more brown and black snakes, Ive not seen tiger snakes here, though Id bet they are around. I was saddened to see that a tiny bat had run into the side of my house and not survived the experience this week too...

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    Re: Calling Owners of 2 dogs out there

    Ive had one, then two, then one. Always males.

    Had three for a month when I looked after a friends dog, that was a lot more work than two, but two isnt much more than one. Of course two dogs can dish out twice as much destruction as one dog can ;)

    As for breeding, I wouldnt bother. Leaving a female desexed leaves her with a high risk of cancer and unwanted pregnancy and then there that dripping blood problem. The vet bills etc with a litter make the financial side of it a bit hit and miss as well.

    Dogs are ace 8-)

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    Hi,
    Two dogs are better than one if you like dogs - full stop. We have two big dogs (one extra large) and they are quieter together, they are happier and more secure.
    Our dogs are part of the family and pretty much live inside (I dont personally agree with this but must abide by it as I am am only home half the year and easily out voted). I sleep very soundly when I am away knowing that my family is safe because I have dogs. From a security point of view, you probably wont get your coffee beans stolen by a burgler with a dog around. You will certainly not get your coffee stolen with two dogs in the house. Even small dogs make way too much noise and draw too much attention to themselves when agitated by unwelcome guests. Coffee burglars dont like this as a general rule and stay well away, instead undertaking their dastardly deeds somewhere else.

    Moreover, two dogs will not get bored as easily and they will not get up to half as much mischief. However, they will take up more of your time - there will be twice as many balls and sticks to throw and twice as many wrestling death matches and pats to give but that is also good IMHO.

    The photo is my side of the bed when I am away!!!! >:(


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    Awww Mariner...

    A Dog and his Boy...how gorgeous is that!

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    i love playing with my dog and as macho and tough male as i want to sound i go all gooey and gagga over my little pup.
    I have noticed my dog is starting to get that pack protection mentality as he knows i am still pack leader and he is learning to obey me, but on walks he is always on the look out for me and my GF and keeping an eye on us.

    I cant say im a professional dog trainer as this is my first dog in a while, but i do love my dog and i enjoy playing and spending time with him and if its true that 2 dogs isnt THAT much more effort than 1, then great.

    Our 1 dog isnt very hard to look after, i think it was more the shock of change of lifestyle dealing with a pup, but our jap spitz is very smart and he learns quickly and when its bed time, he sleeps all night without a peep, no trips outside anymore which only lasted 4 weeks anyway. Day by day he knows the limits and obeys more and more, which also pleases me to get another one.

    I figured if we have 1, a 2nd shouldnt really hurt. The hardest part was getting 1!

    JS really want to please there masters too and want attention from there master all the time, even sitting or laying at your feet will be a treat for them, so having a pack mate will help ease that as rather than try give 100% to us, they can attend each other

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    Here is "Yuki" our Japanese Spitz. Yuki means Snow in Japanese, we thought a fitting name for the breed.

    We might follow suit on next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6D7D71716A7F41797F721E0 link=1334539092/9#9 date=1334580451
    A Dog and his Boy...how gorgeous is that!
    Not quite.....(both girls) one wearing her brothers PJs and the other smelly, but lovingly slobbery brindle one, sleeping on my pillow...but thank you - gorgeous none the less. :)

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    .....and you could probably invent a canine-powered bean cooler if you were really keen ;) Our beloved Border Idiot (Border Collie / German Coolie cross) would have loved the idea.

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    We had 2 whippets for virtually all of their adult lives. Both acquired at about 18 months as give aways from different sources. Like you, we felt that a companion animal for our companion animal would be a good idea, and not much more trouble. We had the female desexed, and they were devoted to each other (and us) for their entire lives together. The female recently died, and our male dog is lost without her. We have discovered that he is going blind, and his hearing isnt great either, so he was relying on her to help him out. The separation is rather sad to watch, although we try to give him extra love but nothing seems to put the "spring in his step" in the same way that she did a dozen times a day. My advice would be to go ahead and get the second dog, get her desexed, and try to socialize them separately as well as together. Good luck and best wishes. Please remember, though, that dogs do bond, so if you bring them together, it should be for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0103100D0E0803010922000B05120D0C064C620 link=1334539092/14#14 date=1336349188
    Please remember, though, that dogs do bond, so if you bring them together, it should be for life.
    Hi Jannav,
    NIce post, I love whippets.* This may certainly be true for some breeds; all of the dogs that we have had have coped very well between dogs - we stagger ours so that the older can alway educate the younger ones - currently have an 8yr old and a 2yr old which have become great mates after the old one died before we got the young pup.* We have found that they look to you (the owner and feeder) as the leader of the pack, not the other dog.* Hence emotionally they seem to be* OK when the other dies, far less pining than their owners thats for sure.

    Also, a small price to pay for a lifetime of companionship for them.

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    Yeah we are still considering it, our little spitz is very fond of his master. My gf told me last night when i had to take a mate home, he sat by the door waiting for me to come back!
    I think it would be nice for him to have some company during the times we are away though

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    Yes, I think you should get another dog. We have two dogs, an 8 yr old German Spitz (m) and a two yr old Silkie(f), both desexed. The Silkie we got as a rescue dog, not long after our 18 yr old Papillon passed away. We wanted to find another dog to keep our German Spitz company. Well, they get along like a house on fire! We both work, so the dogs keep each other company for many hours. And really, two little dogs are no more trouble than one.

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    ajayro, thats really handy to know, fits our situation exactly. You have a spitz so i can only assume German spitz are as eager to please there masters as japanese spitz. Japanese spitz are very close to German spitz as they are basically the same dog with some Samoyed to get the white colour.

    Ok well thats great to know
    cheers

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    Yes, our German Spitz has a lovely nature. Hes supposed to be a mittel but more like a klein. Smaller than your Jap Spitz will become; and black.

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    Ah nice, i contemplated getting a German spitz for the reason that they are black, i thought could have been fun to have 1 totally white fluff ball and 1 totoally black one!

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    went and had a look at a litter of Japanese Spitz yesterday... 3 weeks old they are as big as your hands :D :D
    Makes decision a bit easier when you see them!! :)
    Perhaps im just impressionable, perhaps i need Izzo put in front of me and ill be convinced! ::)

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    Just picked up another pup on Saturday.

    So now were back up to 4 dogs again.

    Perhaps there will be a photo later on.

    If you have the space and time, go for it.

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    Hi Guys,

    Dogs are pack animals and do not generally enjoy a solitary existance. This doesnt have to mean two dogs- but if the dog has little stimulation a second dog will make a huge positive difference to the animals overall health, mental state and well being.

    For the last 25 years we have had the Japanese Akita-Inu dogs. The Akitas are the largest of the 5 Native Japanese breeds. Still a Spitz breed but different again to your little cutie. I could write for page after page on this topic here, but I wont- I will answer any questions you may have, as best I can.

    Firstly, I grew up breeding/showing/obedience training German Shephards and have always had big dogs as family pets. My wife had a similar upbringing with OE Sheepdogs...
    I will describe it like Star Wars- The Force as Yoda decreed, "Allways *TWO*- never more, never less- The Master and the Student" So it has been for us, with our dogs. This is actually very critical with Akitas. They are so dominant that if you vary from Male/Female as a pair... Introduce another dog in a smallish area and well soon enough youll have a dead dog. Same with Male/Male and Female/Female- Generally will not work, for this breed.

    Firstly, we had Maggie- an OES and silly as a wheel. (As an aside- when we first got married I only had a single bed. We couldnt afford a new bed *and* a dog so I got to sleep on the floor, in my swag, next to my wife on the single bed and Maggie out the back... for the first six months of our marriage...) Yes- True Story!
    Then shortly after we got Kobe our first Akita- As an adult he was 64 kg with not an ounce of fat on him. A magnificent Red Fluffy- he looked and sounded like a grizzly bear.

    I probably shouldnt say it- lest it is sensationalised- but the simple fact is anything... and I mean anything that came in that yard un-invited was literally torn to shreds. We were on acreage and I lost count of the number of lizards, snakes, possums, stray dogs- even birds, etc that put their noses where it wasnt welcome. We had three kids during our time with this pair and Im just going to say that Kobe had no hesitation putting himself between my kids and anyone who tried to get too close. They rarely Bark, they have the look. If youve ever had an Akita Look with those hollow black eyes- well you just wouldnt mess with it.

    On another occasion my mother in law came to visit (first time) and set her clothes out in the spare room. One by one Kobe took all her clothing out to his kennel. Lastly, Kobe came in and very gently, but firmly took Granny by the forearm and Yes he did- he took her by the arm and out to his kennel. You have no idea how hard it was to tell him off when I was absolutely stoked at what he had done!!!

    After another 8 yrs or so Maggie passed on and we got another Female Akita... All white- "Chilly-Bin" (No Im not Kiwi) and so it has been for another 15 years or so, till today. Currently we have Sarge- the Old-Man whose well grey in the face and goin blue in the eyes. He nearly died from distress and pining away when Chilly had to be put down unexpectedly. Unfortunately, she fell down the back steps and received severe spinal damage- only had three legs...(long story)...

    Anyway just under a year ago we got our latest Akita- Kabuki and I can only say that the Ol boy has a total new lease on life. Words cannot express the Joy in the old boys eyes now he has a new play-mate. Im sure it will give him at least an extra year of life- literally.

    So thats a very long winded way of saying Yes, absolutely Yes to a second companion dog for your Spitz.

    The following really relates to the larger breeds but is still applicable to the smaller breeds. Firstly, as a puppy you must, thats *MUST* socialise these dogs to get a well balanced, confident and well rounded personality, in your adult dog.

    Secondly and absolutely essential is that you must, *must*, MUST do a decent amount of obedience training with your dog.
    Whilst the Spitz is a little more placid than the Akita- The Akita is indeed a deadly weapon if it is not properly trained. As a minimum you need to get distance recall and off lead basic control- sit, stay, down, recall, etc as an absolute minimum.

    Six months concerted effort at socialisation and obedience training will be rewarded with a lifetime of joy and maybe even a few good yarns- like the ones Ive shared above...

    All the best,

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    We have 2 Huskys, had the male for a couple of years but when the kids left home, we moved and he we had to travel a lot further to work and this meant he would be on his own a lot longer. We bought a female pup and were a bit unsure how it would go. To cut a long story short, best decision we made, they get on great guns and the younger one absolutely loves the older, he pretends he doesnt but worries when shes not to be seen.

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    Yes, its magic to see, isnt it?
    Animals bring such joy to our lives...



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