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    How many coffees per KG of beans

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    Hi fellow CS's,

    I am looking at purchasing an espresso bar and the revenue appears low compared to the number Kg's of coffee used. Most likely is that there has been some cash skimming which is fine however I want to be able to more closely judge what the true revenue is from the beans they are purchasing / using.
    For those that have / or are running cafe's etc and considering / allowing for the nuances of cafe's what number of coffee's do cafes manage per KG. I can work out the standard formula of grams per pour etc etc etc but what I don't know are things like wastage, complaints (remakes for to hot too cold etc) and other factors.

    Any estimates of revenue generating coffees per KG would be appreciated.

    Cheers Yabba

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    Crikey Yabba, not trying to be a smart arse, but, if you have to ask this question on a public forum I would suggest your not ready.
    Get some professional advice, starting with your accountant and bank manager.

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    Accountant maybe, but bank managers? In my experience BMs haven't a clue about small business. They're only interested in security to cover the loan. Yabba, tell the vendor your purchase is conditional on your working in the business along side him, her for a month. That way you can asses the business with more accuracy. That is quite a common practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Crikey Yabba, not trying to be a smart arse, but, if you have to ask this question on a public forum I would suggest your not ready.
    Get some professional advice, starting with your accountant and bank manager.
    Hi Yelta,

    I didn't take it as a smart arse comment. The funny thing is that I told my brother as I was typing that someone would say exactly what you just wrote.

    Considering I run financial services companies, have run hotels and restaurants in the past I think I have a reasonable level of experience in understanding financial statements and profitability. The reason I ask the question is that I like to question myself and my perceived truths to ensure informed decision making. As a general manager my attitude is to ask everyone for an opinion. At the end of the day I make the decision however sometimes you see a different point of view. I have what i believe to be an accurate number +/- however I just want to recheck them against others experience.


    I just noticed your from Moonta, great part of the world, Mother was born in Wallaroo, family town was Ticara Not sure of the spelling.

    Cheers Yabba

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    Quote Originally Posted by yabba View Post
    I have what i believe to be an accurate number +/- Cheers Yabba
    What is it? M

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    I wouldn't say that there is a specific formula but to add a couple of factors in than just the amount of grams a shot.

    So because this is what I work with, let's say you have a Robur-E and use 22g baskets. So 22g per double-shot, but in reality about one and a half grams are going to go over the side of the basket during the levelling or tapping ect. So in order to be not very precise at all, let's say we end up 24g per double-shot.

    Now I work in an enclosed environment so grind changes don't occur all that often throughout the day but if your bar is in an open area, weather will have a large effect on the required grind size. If it isn't enclosed (and I have worked with this grinder on a cart before) just don't bother with an electronic doser!! But let's say on average one and a half changes in grind per hour. The Robur's burs are quite large so in order to get rid of the old grinds, you're looking at grinding out 34g or so of coffee and then you have to test the grind size with each change so let's say 2 shots per grind change. So 82g per grind change!

    So we originally have 1000g so let's take away our one and a half grind changes. We are left with 877g for our shots. So we are left with 36 double shots or 72 single shots. Now from here it's really hard to tell how many coffees you'll make from these shots because of the different sizes, double shots and double ristretto!

    But hopefully this rough as an adolescence's face guestimate helps!

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by yabba View Post
    Hi Yelta,

    I didn't take it as a smart arse comment. The funny thing is that I told my brother as I was typing that someone would say exactly what you just wrote.

    Considering I run financial services companies, have run hotels and restaurants in the past I think I have a reasonable level of experience in understanding financial statements and profitability. The reason I ask the question is that I like to question myself and my perceived truths to ensure informed decision making. As a general manager my attitude is to ask everyone for an opinion. At the end of the day I make the decision however sometimes you see a different point of view. I have what i believe to be an accurate number +/- however I just want to recheck them against others experience.


    I just noticed your from Moonta, great part of the world, Mother was born in Wallaroo, family town was Ticara Not sure of the spelling.

    Cheers Yabba
    Points taken Yabba, good luck with your venture whatever your decision.

    Your right the Copper Coast is a nice part of SA, Don't get out to Tickera much, there are still a few permanent residents out there as well as those that have holiday homes/shacks.

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    Do it the fun and caffeinated way, buy a kg of beans and keep a tally of how many shots you pour

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    I actually don't get the desired ans yet

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    If the business is up for sale, and the current owner is not upfront regarding the true revenue of the business to sweeten the deal, then I would see the current business is probably not doing that well anyway. It's when the seller is trying to sweeten the deal but don't have the facts to justify them.

    However, if you are buying the business in view of having the abilities to improve the revenue base on changing the way the business is run and other different factors, such as location, clientele, competition around the areas, etc.

    I would then see this as the "worst case" scenario of a business if it was bought over and run as business as usual.

    It surprises me that franchises like Dome can serve out the worst coffee you can drink, dish out dried up piece of bacon and egg with brick hard cold toast. and still charge you a stupid amount of money, but yet people would que and wait for long time and happy to pay that money.

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    I would think there is skimming or lots of waste.

    It may not be the owner that is skimming/stealing.

    How can you run the business better than the owner?

    If it is a marginal business it is not worth much.



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