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    You've noticed the signs in shopping centre car parks. Parents with prams.

    I am willing to be corrected and educated, because I can't see why a parent pushing a pram needs priority parking. Implicit is that the parent is a young and healthy adult..

    Is it really such an exhausting feat to push a pram? Moreso than it is for, say, the same adult or even an older one, manoeuvrering an unwieldly shopping trolley?

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    Well, I guess it is a clever bit of marketing towards the target demographic of many of their leaseholders.

    What really gets me is the priority parking spots for left-handers.
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    I think it is marketing combined with safety.
    I daresay parents with a pram don't like to be navigating too far in a big car park (often with another young child in tow), so any shopping centre that offers them the chance to park close to the entrance is more likely to get their business.

    My pet hate is all the premium car spots that go to the crappy car wash mobs!

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    America now has pregnancy parking, I can't remember the exact title on the signs, that's right they may only be 3 weeks pregnant but they can park right in front of the store but you can't if you've just broken your leg!

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    The pram spots, like the disabled spots, are generally a bit wider so the manoeuvring that it takes to get prams, kids, wheelchairs and other mobility aids prepared is both possible and doesn't disturb other parkers.

    I'm happy to see them, it cuts down on the "door dings".

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    Sorry robusto but from your comments I would guess you never have needed to use such a care parking spot?
    Once more I would venture that you have very little empathy for people who do need one.
    I could be very wrong here? I Hope so.
    I would point out that even if I am or if you dont have kids or dont ever shop with them . You once were one .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald View Post
    The pram spots, like the disabled spots, are generally a bit wider so the manoeuvring that it takes to get prams, kids, wheelchairs and other mobility aids prepared is both possible and doesn't disturb other parkers.

    I'm happy to see them, it cuts down on the "door dings".

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    I was just about to post the same.
    The wider parking spaces are great.

    We have young kids that have to be in car seats, so this requires us to strap them in.
    So being able to open the door to the first click makes life easier.

    I think the problem could be, we own a sedan which seems to atract Landcruiser's or any other oversize SUV to park as close as humanly possible (usally at a 30 degree angle) to our vehicle.
    On occasion I've had to move the car to another parking spot just to get the kids in.

    Rant over...... Think I'll go and have a coffee
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    You've noticed the signs in shopping centre car parks. Parents with prams.

    I am willing to be corrected and educated, because I can't see why a parent pushing a pram needs priority parking. Implicit is that the parent is a young and healthy adult..

    Is it really such an exhausting feat to push a pram? Moreso than it is for, say, the same adult or even an older one, manoeuvrering an unwieldly shopping trolley?
    If you have never seen any one pushing a pram that was anything other than young or healthy then you need to open your eyes. Have you considered grandparents that may be taking grandchildren to a shopping centre?
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    Sorry but being a single parent with young kids the condesending tone of the first post seems to me to be a personnel attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    You've noticed the signs in shopping centre car parks. Parents with prams.

    I am willing to be corrected and educated, because I can't see why a parent pushing a pram needs priority parking. Implicit is that the parent is a young and healthy adult..

    Is it really such an exhausting feat to push a pram? Moreso than it is for, say, the same adult or even an older one, manoeuvrering an unwieldly shopping trolley?
    I hope it's civil enough to suggest that this post makes you look like someone of very limited insight. As per several comments above, it's not the proximity to the entrance that matters, it's the fact that there is an available parking bay and the extra width that makes the difference. The assumption that parents are all able bodied, only have a pram and one child is out of contact with reality. It most often isn't just a question of a leisurely stroll with a single pram across the car park. Any parent with a pram, a second kid on the loose and a full trolley needs 6 arms just to cope.

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    Hey Robusto,

    You actually did say you didn't understand and was willing to be educated which shows an openness to constructive reasoning so well done, nothing wrong with an opinion. Before I was a parent I may have seen things the same as you did, in fact i know I did. However now I have kids, getting them out of the car without destroying the surrounding cars is near impossible hence the extra width is great. Add this to late nights, early mornings, crappy nappies, unhappy partners and I say dedicate a supermarket to that parent not just a park (male or female). Seriously though, it is tough trying to shop with kids in tow so parks close to the entrance to help the sanity and surrounding cars is OK with me. And call me soft, considering my wife has to endure this mostly I happy that they make allowances for her and other parents. Also as a fat bastard it makes me walk further which is a good thing....

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    parents with prams priority parking

    I have 2 kids (5 & 2) and I've never even considered parking in one of those spots. Not sure why, I think the stick figure painted on the ground is female and its put me off ;-)

    Totally agree with what has been said, it can be difficult maneuvering kids, shopping, case of beer etc. and when you have one thats not in the pram too then its also a fight to keep them from running off.

    Robusto, have a couple of kids or procure some for the weekend.... You'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    I am willing to be corrected and educated, because I can't see why a parent pushing a pram needs priority parking. Implicit is that the parent is a young and healthy adult..

    Is it really such an exhausting feat to push a pram? Moreso than it is for, say, the same adult or even an older one, manoeuvrering an unwieldly shopping trolley?
    As a parent of 3 young kids I fully understand non-parents thinking this way, I probably did as well. But thinking that all parents are healthy? Maybe if you live in Fitzroy or Balmain, but have you see the average parent in some suburbs? ;-)

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    Re: parents with prams priority parking

    Id say it has very little to do with being fit and healthy, and everything to do with safely navigating the carpark with a pram. Bear in ming a couple of things:
    - the ratio of spaces to parents with prams is usually very low
    - many shopping centres make you pay for a permit to use them
    - most carparks have no safe footpath area to push a pram (and unlike people on foot, you cant push a pram between cars, over curbs, etc.)

    So, why is a fit healthy person without a pram to push, so bothered by it? There are plenty of worse injustices in the world.

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    Rather than "parents with pram" parking closer to entrances, providing parking for the Elderly with limited mobility who don't qualify for disabled parking would be fairer. I've often seen these people shuffling along with some effort to distant car parking spots at my local shopping centre. Alot of them have raised kids without all the special consideration that seems to be demanded today and they somehow survived. Maybe its their turn for some special consideration? They've earned it.
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    Private carpark, proprietor's rules, suck it up.

    Back your grinder off a bit mate, you're a little bitter there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    Private carpark, proprietor's rules, suck it up.

    Back your grinder off a bit mate, you're a little bitter there...
    Just bemused how some people think that they're the first to have gone through it and need special consideration. If their own parents hadn't managed without all the special needs then they wouldn't be here. Suck that up "mate".

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    Re: parents with prams priority parking

    Right... There wont be any pension when they retire, but this isnt an issue of entitlement.

    Im sure most dont have any sense of entitlement (I sure don't). But if its there, why not use it.
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    While we're all going "PC nuts" there are probably at least half a dozen different groups that would justify a car park close to the entrance. Vehicles with prams certainly do need a wider parking space and you would prefer not to push a pram too far in a supermarket parking lot. Having said that, the vast majority of pram-pushers I see ARE young and fit.
    I would be more concerned about the elderly who don't qualify for a 'Disabled' pass but are clearly at risk walking in the parking lot.
    Most people have been in the 'pram-pusher' category at some time in their lives - I certainly have - and I never for a moment considered I justified any special treatment.
    Yes - it is challenging managing your kids in a supermarket parking lot - bit like keeping them under control in a cafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Just bemused how some people think that they're the first to have gone through it and need special consideration. If their own parents hadn't managed without all the special needs then they wouldn't be here. Suck that up "mate".
    Sorry, should have quoted the OP, that wasn't directed at you.

    My second crack is that it's not a right, but by the same token, bitching that other are given the privilege of special consideration by a private entity is just as bad as expecting to be given it.

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    I said I was willing to be educated, and I thank all the contributors who have made me aware of matters which I was not.

    Dragunov.... there's much I could say about your two posts... but I won't waste the time. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    I said I was willing to be educated, and I thank all the contributors who have made me aware of matters which I was not.

    Dragunov.... there's much I could say about your two posts... but I won't waste the time. :-)
    If character can be hinted at by one's chosen username, I would wonder what it means when one selects the name of a sniper rifle (Dragunov)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    If character can be hinted at by one's chosen username,
    I don't even know how I came up with my nickname, but I just searched it and apparently I named myself after a drug.... see below


    1. Yabba - A slang nickname for the drug methamphetamine, aka crystal meth. The name is thought to originate in Thailand, where pills are sold containing caffeine and methamphetamine. 'Yaba' is Thai for "crazy medicine".

    Sorry I digressed.

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    Yabba is also the name of a famous cricket fan of long ago, who used to lead the barracking on the SCG Hill. Famous for yelling "Leave our flies alone, Jardine. They're the only friends you've got here" to the England captain during the Bodyline series. So, not a bad choice, Yabba.

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    not so much on topic but about parking, i swear like 50-60% of people have no idea what they're doing when trying to park a car, let alone drive.

    reverse parallel? yeah no worries, have some gutter rash with that and 5 minutes wasted trying to fit the car in. forward into a parking bay? let me see just how close i can get to the line denoting the edge of my space and see how much of an angle i can get the car at. reverse 45 degree? more like reverse 90 degree.
    then combine that with the large percentage of ridiculous SUV's nowadays that for some reason a lot of families seem to need and that multiplies the problem out tenfold, combining poor skills with a large car with poor visibility.

    what really grinds my gears is the media and a significant portion of the "mature" and "sensible" members of our communities constantly having a cry about p platers and people in modified cars. "those darn hoons, they'll kill everybody with their fast and loud cars!"
    let's not mind the fact that a properly modified car is probably safer than most cars on the street (that is, of cars from a similar period) and if you get hit by, for example, a mazda cx-9 or holden captiva (common family SUV's) you're going to be killed, at the best seriously injured. would you ever hear people complaining about that? hahaha, that's a laugh.
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    parents with prams priority parking

    Not sure why you'd need extra space if your car has sliding doors...

    That's how we used to manage kids, not off-road trucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    I said I was willing to be educated, and I thank all the contributors who have made me aware of matters which I was not.

    Dragunov.... there's much I could say about your two posts... but I won't waste the time. :-)
    Kinda defeats the point of not wasting the time if you waste time telling someone they're not worth your time, doesn't it? But go ahead; I took a shot at you for posting a thread I thought was silly, fair's only fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    If character can be hinted at by one's chosen username, I would wonder what it means when one selects the name of a sniper rifle (Dragunov)?
    It means I used to play Ghost Recon when I was a kid. Had the username for about ten years and it makes it easy to keep track of As it happens I also shoot recreationally. Problem?

    (Also, completely OT, any good cafes in Mornington? I'm flying in to visit my folks later today)

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    No one has mentioned Express parking spots yet.

    Why do they have to be so close to the entrance?

    If I have a trolly full of groceries I'd like to not have to push it to the other end of the carpark.
    If you want to dash in for a carton of milk, you can more easily travel further with your small load.
    Besides which, I'm spending more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod View Post
    If I have a trolly full of groceries I'd like to not have to push it to the other end of the carpark.
    If you want to dash in for a carton of milk, you can more easily travel further with your small load.
    Besides which, I'm spending more money.
    So that would be the (I'm a more valuable than you car park) guess we could have a (having a haircut park) (picking up fast food park) and using the toilet park.
    I imagine we could all come up with a reason why we deserve a better spot in the local shopping centre car park.

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    I don't mind the special parking spots for people with problems, be it disabled, elderly or with prams. But I'd REALLY like it if people had to actually learn to park before they are allowed to drive around. Some of the efforts are nothing short of mind-numbing. And there should be a law that says a driver has to be able to see over the steering wheel - watching people too short for their car trying to guesstimate where the edges of their car are, (and usually relying on Donald Duck parking techniques) makes me want to be very politically incorrect.

    And while I do appreciate the issues parents have trying to take kids around a shopping centre, perhaps for many of them a short course in how to raise a child might be of benefit? Shopping would be far less stressful with well-behaved kids than with the little horrors you see throwing tantrums in the middle of an aisle because they got the wrong lolly.
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    Yelta puts his finger on a salient point here. Once you start dividing society up into discrete categories (privileged groups) the good ol Aussie egalitarianism starts to go out the window and we start to resent others who are perceived (rightly or wrongly) as getting some benefit we don't. We need to keep it real - and the number of 'special groups' to an absolute minimum.
    I deserve a better spot in the parking lot because I really look after my car and I shouldn't have to park near people who open their doors onto my blemishless duco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I deserve a better spot in the parking lot because I really look after my car and I shouldn't have to park near people who open their doors onto my blemishless duco!
    I've got one of them in my local shopping centre, it's right down the back in the shade of some trees about 200 metres from the entrance.

    It's called the (get some exercise and don't get your paint scratched car park) works a treat, most people nowadays simply refuse to walk any further than absolutely necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    So that would be the (I'm a more valuable than you car park) guess we could have a (having a haircut park) (picking up fast food park) and using the toilet park.
    I imagine we could all come up with a reason why we deserve a better spot in the local shopping centre car park.
    May I suggest the "I need the toilet park" is close to the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto View Post
    You've noticed the signs in shopping centre car parks. Parents with prams.

    I am willing to be corrected and educated, because I can't see why a parent pushing a pram needs priority parking. Implicit is that the parent is a young and healthy adult..

    Is it really such an exhausting feat to push a pram? Moreso than it is for, say, the same adult or even an older one, manoeuvrering an unwieldly shopping trolley?
    I feel I'm qualified enough to answer. Yes, it can be really exhausting pushing a pram. I consider myself healthy, but pushing a pram or trolley with kids, fully loaded, (being a small woman) gives me a whole body workout. I now have a double pram (kids aged 3 & 1), and am pregnant, pushing the pram is quite a workout. Added that kids can have short attention spans for shopping &/or high needs (food, nappy change, developing immune systems). I have quick-marched back to the car many a time due to kids crying despite careful planning of lunch, naps etc. Add to that a mummy brain (aka sleep deprivation) or possible weak bladder from natural delivery or post-cesearean or overall muscular tiredness from iron deficiency as the foetus takes his 6 months post-delivery iron supplies from mum while in-utero...(that's all I can think of right now). Do you love your mum more as you read this?

    Fortunately, we're not all 'Toorak Mums' who have nannies, woolworths delivery & demand free babycinos I had a laugh. I'm not being judgemental, sorry, just that my kids are with me 24/7, they go where I go. If my thrifty husband agreed I would dearly love to order groceries online & get delivered.

    As mentioned above, I've seen many a grandparent pushing prams at shops (good on them)!

    Saying that, there's nothing wrong with a bit of exercise - had by parking at the end of the lot - to work off any extra baby weight All money saved from gym memberships can go towards espresso machine upgraditis.

    I do think there is a need for 'shared special needs' parking areas for elderly, parents with prams, temporary walking disabilities/health issues etc. We have elderly parking, before pram parking, at our local Woolworths. Aldi don't discriminate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
    I don't mind the special parking spots for people with problems, be it disabled, elderly or with prams. But I'd REALLY like it if people had to actually learn to park before they are allowed to drive around. Some of the efforts are nothing short of mind-numbing. And there should be a law that says a driver has to be able to see over the steering wheel - watching people too short for their car trying to guesstimate where the edges of their car are, (and usually relying on Donald Duck parking techniques) makes me want to be very politically incorrect.

    And while I do appreciate the issues parents have trying to take kids around a shopping centre, perhaps for many of them a short course in how to raise a child might be of benefit? Shopping would be far less stressful with well-behaved kids than with the little horrors you see throwing tantrums in the middle of an aisle because they got the wrong lolly.
    I'm thankful that we don't have 'tantrum issues' with our kids (because I did have a parenting specialist do some home visits) do remember that the well-behaved kids of days gone by were often belted (physically abused) in public or in private & nobody batted an eye. Memories & threats of 'the strap' kept young greengarden (me) in line when shopping.

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    I grew up with an army belt on the wall - if the old lady got angry enough I'd get the buckle ends. We had the cuts at school, either strap or cane or sometimes blackboard ruler.

    In my view there is a world of difference between a disciplinary smack and physical abuse. And touching a kid when the temper is blown is a crime. But I also think many kids these days would be a lot more pleasant to be around if the parents would discipline them consistently - and by discipline, I don't just mean smack, I mean set limits and consequences for breaking them and stick to your promise - if you say, "don't do that or...." and they do it, the or... must happen.

    I had no problem with 3 boys under 7 in a shop because they knew I wouldn't put up with it and I never had to lay a finger on them. Those same boys gave their mother hell if I wasn't there. I think it was because they knew there would be no consequences - when I met her she was one of those who would repeat never-to-be-implemented threats to try to control them and they just ignored her.

    It's not at all difficult - most kids WANT limits and all you have to do is be fair and consistent. And things like, if you say, "wait a minute I am talking to this person" then as soon as there is a break in conversation you ask them what it was... amazing how well that works in getting them to be polite.

    The lack of difficulty is why it annoys me so much to see them behaving like miniature thugs and spoiled brats - I don't see why a parent who can't be bothered raising a decent human being should be allowed to foist their problems on the rest of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    It means I used to play Ghost Recon when I was a kid. Had the username for about ten years and it makes it easy to keep track of As it happens I also shoot recreationally. Problem?
    I should apologize for making that crack about your user ID... it's just that the name really rubbed me the wrong way. The reason for that is because I was a UN Peacekeeper (Canadian Armed Forces) in Sarajevo way back in '92 and I was the officer in charge of counter-sniper operations around the Sarajevo airport. I saw far too many civilians (primarily women, children and the elderly) gunned down by psychopaths with Dragunovs hiding in the surrounding hillside and my team and I were the ones tasked with doing our best to stop this from happening. As you could well imagine, this experience left a very bad taste in my mouth for anything to do with snipers, specifically those with Dragunovs.

    As to you question about coffee on the Peninsula, I have responded via PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
    I grew up with an army belt on the wall - if the old lady got angry enough I'd get the buckle ends. We had the cuts at school, either strap or cane or sometimes blackboard ruler.
    Sounds like you had it easy. Bill Cosby's father walked to school 4 o'clock every morning with no shoes on, uphill, both ways, in 5 feet of snow.... Can't wait till my pubes turn grey so I can belittle the future generations.


    I like to park next to the pillars in covered carparks. More room to open the doors and get the little one in/out of the carseat.

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    Really getting this off topic thread off topic, but it's a holiday...

    When I was a toddler there were no prams, cars were a rarity, and shopping centres had not been invented. I walked two hours on my little feet over hill and dale from our town house (that's a house in the town, not a trendy name for a house in a town) to our farm, a in the country, and two hours back at night.

    Yes, things have advanced, and so they should have, and I do not begrudge convenience . Just parents who don't bother keeping their toddlers under control. One thing not being able to control them....but at least make an effort to.

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    Not sure who you might think I was belittling Hamburglar, but life was different back then. Most of the things we experienced are now illegal or controlled so tightly you can't do them anyway. From maybe 7 or 8 I'd be on my bike after breakfast and gone for the day - only rule was to be home by dark.

    At about 10yo I used to ride with friends from Corio to the You Yangs (20km or so) where we'd play all day in the rocks and bush. We could buy crackers and rockets and had lotsa fun blowing things up and we all still have all our fingers and toes.

    But we also had our jobs to do - mine was look after the chooks and animals, keep the woodpile stocked and doing the lawns. I had a pair of rather lazy sisters (not that I was any slouch in trying to get out of work either) so often I'd get roped in over protests to do dishes or other housework. Kids these days are rarely expected to help out and many parents are little more than slaves that pander to the every whim and demand the little monsters might have.

    Those 3 boys I mentioned earlier - I gave them jobs to do and for weeks I would go inspect what they had done every time I went around there. I didn't punish them for stuff not done, I'd just give them a look, and if it needed doing, do it myself. Next time it would be done.

    They were holy terrors when I first met them, the youngest had been expelled from kindergarten - a bit of attention and expectation and they were great kids when their mother and I broke up. The oldest and youngest went to Uni and the middle kid got himself an apprenticeship and last I heard had his own company.

    We have rules governing how our pets behave and how we treat them, but any dumbarse can have kids and foist monsters onto the world and everyone thinks they all have a right to do this as many times as they want. It's almost an unwritten rule that those who can least afford kids have the most of them. Then the kids don't get the attention they need to become decent human beings and we wind up with bashings and brawls on the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Yelta puts his finger on a salient point here. Once you start dividing society up into discrete categories (privileged groups) the good ol Aussie egalitarianism starts to go out the window and we start to resent others who are perceived (rightly or wrongly) as getting some benefit we don't. We need to keep it real - and the number of 'special groups' to an absolute minimum.
    Rocky I thought that by now you'd recognise my posting style. Yelta unknowingly or not overtly made the point I was making covertly.

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    TG - you are a male and you should know that subtlety is totally lost on males.
    Actually - are there really things called "Express" parking spots?
    Living up in the sticks, I always marvel at all those new-fangled things they have in the big city!

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    Hello Rocky,

    For the information of those of you living in the bush, express parking in Sydney is actually on all lanes on the freeways, which are not free, during the peak hour which runs for not 1 but for 3 to 4 hours morning and afternoon. You are so lucky in the sticks.

    Barry

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    Thanks Barry, yes I do try to remind myself of the city traffic when I am tempted to have a rant about the disadvantages of living in the country.
    I don't know about Sydney, but Brisbane which I visit occasionally, has toll roads everywhere so you are constantly being bitten for using infrastructure that politicians are handsomely paid to provide as part of their basic reason for being.
    Reduce their salaries and spend it on the roads, I say!
    (if they could get some of that money back from Mr Obeid, Senator MacDonald and their mates it would help)



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