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    Traditional wet shaving

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    Hi Guys,

    Thought I start a new thread for a new hobby of mine; traditional wet shaving!

    Started with a Merkur Futur but soon replaced it as was really irritating my skin even on a level 1 setting.

    What did I replace it with, well....a Feather All Stainless! I have fallen in love!

    I have found I was instantly confident with this razor. Yes it is a mild shaver (which is what I wanted), but with correct technique which I am continuing to work on; provides an easy, smooth and irritation free shave

    So if anyone has some tips or tricks etc.

    My current arsenal consists of:


    -Feather Safety Razor Co All Stainless Steel Double Edge Razor
    -Dovo Solingen Silvertip Badger Brush: Matte Chrome
    -Truefitt & Hill Curved Razor & Brush Stand with Bowl
    -Geo. F. Trumper Coconut Oil Shaving Cream Bowl
    -Thayers Peach Witch Hazel Astringent
    -Anthony Logistics Pre Shave Oil
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    Excuse me for being ignorant, but.

    Doesn't everyone shave like this? What would be the other option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoner View Post
    Excuse me for being ignorant, but.

    Doesn't everyone shave like this? What would be the other option?
    Brazilian wax.

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    I was expecting a photo of a cutthroat...

    I make my own shaving oil and use it in addition to foam/gel. Works wonders!

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    I remember coming across a forum discussing shavings.

    Never knew there were so much to discuss about shaving

    But then.... Never knew coffee can be so topical either before I found CS

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    What would be the other option?


    <------ see avatar

    Philips 3 head, cordless, wet and dry thingy for the sides.
    All done in under half a minute in the mornings.

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    I had a laugh. What a stir I have caused!

    You must be refering to the Badger and Blade forum.

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    Andy, according to your avatar, it seems the electric shaver doesn't get everything ...

    I totally forgot about electric shavers while reading the original post.

    With regards to the op, I couldn't tell you what brand of shaving brush I use. One was a cheapie, the other was given to me by my father when I started shaving. The latter is still going strong decades later. The cheapie loses bristles left, right, and centre every time it is used..

    Badger hair seems to be a favourite for shaving brushes.

    The usefulness of the length of the bristles depend on whether you are a daily shaver or an every monther or so. The longer bristle brushes are more suited to lathering into a bit of growth; shorter for dailies.

    Anyone still use a cutthroat?

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    I don't know of anyone outside of a barber, maybe give it a try one day but I believe it's best handled by a barber who can seen all the facets which may be hard? in a mirror.

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    Just make sure his name is not Sweeney Todd

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    I had a laugh your the second person to make that joke in conversations I have had recently!

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    It's a killer of a joke isn't it

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    DE shaving rocks! Been on that bandwagon for a few years now. No regrets!

    I am a Personna Red fan myself coupled with the Merkur 34C (from memory).

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    Merkur Classic 33c here, and settled on FEather Hi Stainless blades. Sharp as. Also a longer badger hair brush, and some Razorock 88 Eucalyptus soap. All smoothed over with Prorasso Eucalyptus cream.

    I love doing this shave, but I only get to do it a couple of times a month, times short in the mornings with all the little 'uns. I don't even always get a coffee!

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    Does nobody else keep their roasting chaff, blend with the scraps of old candles and a bit of harp seal essence, and wax weekly?

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    It is addictive. I'm an early riser so my workflow is switch the Giotto on. Fill a basin with hot water rest my bowl and brush in the water, shower, shave and coffee/breakfast.

    Always leave the house feeling good and relaxed ready from some Talk back on 774

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    Bmawebb. I'm on feathers as well, used Merkurs and thought they were no good.

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    For all those not privy to de razors this may inspire you. YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoner View Post
    Anyone still use a cutthroat?
    Yep. Can't be beaten for control or closeness imo. Cartridge razors give me nasty burn and electrics are no good for me for a close shave.

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    I'm with Andy--except I shave a bit more of my face.

    Philips 3 head rotary--either wet or dry, depending on how close I want the shave to be, and finish with a good splash of 4711.

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    I changed to DE about two years ago on Father's Day, and I have to say I love the ritual. I use a Brauhn 790 when I'm running late though.

    Currently I'm using:
    Merkur 34C
    Mensbiz Super Badger
    Geo F Trumper Cocunut Oil Shaving Cream (one of the best I've used)
    Personna Reds

    I've been using Feathers when I want the closest cut and I got some Polsilvers to see what all the talk is about. I reckon for the price they're overrated with Personna Reds beating them hands down.

    I recently bought some Men's Science stuff and it isn't bad but it is horrendously overpriced. I just can't recommend any of their products on a price/performance basis.

    Oh and anyone who thinks traditional wet shaving is anything other than DE/cutthroat would probably think Nespressos make real coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxp View Post
    Oh and anyone who thinks traditional wet shaving is anything other than DE/cutthroat would probably think Nespressos make real coffee.
    Does that make straight-snobs the razor equivalent of those who think levers are the only "proper" espresso machines? :P

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    I expected a thread on traditional wet shaving to be talking about cut-throats...
    To bring this back to coffee terms, are cut-throats the shaving equivalent of a full manual lever espresso machine, old style safety razors the semi-automatics, Gillette 4 blade style nonsense things the Nespresso and electric razor the instant coffee?

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    I used to get ingrown hairs and really dry skin before switching to proper shave creams/soaps and the DE razor about 6 years ago. I really enjoy the ritual and the result is definitely worth it even though it takes more than twice as long every morning. Similar to coffee I guess!

    Merkur HD (34C) DE Razor
    Astra blades
    Edwin Jagger Best Badger brush
    Proraso and Bodyshop shave creams

    I do use a cartridge razor to shave my head though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by taco View Post
    I expected a thread on traditional wet shaving to be talking about cut-throats...
    To bring this back to coffee terms, are cut-throats the shaving equivalent of a full manual lever espresso machine, old style safety razors the semi-automatics, Gillette 4 blade style nonsense things the Nespresso and electric razor the instant coffee?
    For fun, here's my take (mostly from what I've heard on the coffee side of things) :P

    Straights are levers (proper old-school artistry, results are up there with the best, most capable of causing injury)
    DEs are the pointy-end semi-auto machines; you lose a little cachet but they're still mechanical art, the results are on par with levers and they're more user-friendly.
    Quality electric razors = Quality full-autos. Plastic tech-laden creations that give good results but have niggling problems that make them a balance between convenience and performance.
    Gillette 2-blades-and-a-strip cartridges = Gaggia Classic/Rancilio Silvia (if Classics and Silvias broke all the time). You can get great results if you faff around but there are better options. You can spend more to get fancier features/more blades but really in this format (catridge razor/single-boiler) you're really paying more money for nothing and in fact can end up with a poorer result.

    Cheap autos are equivlent to cheap electric razors , instant is a BIC single-blade and pod coffee is like rubbing your face on a wall until the hair falls out.

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    You guys got me to start reading up on this.
    End up ordering a '64 Gillette super speed since it had a good rating for beginners.

    Was going to get a weishi to try but since its considered as a knockoff of the SS I decided against it.

    Now to look for a brush n soap

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    Quick history with approximate dates:
    Straight/cutthroat razor 1680
    Double edged razor 1880
    Cartridge 1970

    The thing with traditional, which most would class as DE/straight, is that because of the simplicity of design people are still using antique equipment. Can't say that about cartridge or electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    For fun, here's my take (mostly from what I've heard on the coffee side of things) :P

    Gillette 2-blades-and-a-strip cartridges = Gaggia Classic/Rancilio Silvia (if Classics and Silvias broke all the time). You can get great results if you faff around but there are better options. You can spend more to get fancier features/more blades but really in this format (catridge razor/single-boiler) you're really paying more money for nothing and in fact can end up with a poorer result.
    I think the disposable cartridge style razors like this are the ones that most obviously fit the Nespresso pod coffee analogy.
    You pay less for the initial setup, and then get locked into a proprietary refill cycle that is more expensive in the long run, producing mediocre results that the masses think is great while producing more waste.

    Classics and Silvia's are just the equivalent of a cheap double edge just as an expensive semi-auto is the equivalent of an expensive double edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taco View Post
    ... more expensive in the long run, producing mediocre results that the masses think is great while producing more waste.
    Can't say i agree with that, fun or otherwise. I started out shaving with a double edge that used to cut me up terribly. I also used a couple of electric razors which irritated my skin. I now use a Gillette triple-blade which is comparatively old tech. One blade will give me quite a few shaves - at least 10 before a new one is required. I've managed to source some quite cheap blade replacements online.

    The only concession I have made to quality is to buy a Windsor badger hair brush and Tabac shaving cream, neither of which are top of the line quality but are much, much better than the canned shaving foam or ordinary soap for lather. I can't say I see the value in buying a shaving brush that costs $200 or more and I'm a firm believer in the "Buy cheap, buy twice" experience.

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    here is a possible sacrilegious question here, but can you shave with a DE blade using canned shaving cream? more of the quick in quick out morning shave should I miss the wakeup call once in awhile...

    Im getting really bad shaving rash now using my Gillette twin blade shaver, and the phillip wet dry electric shavers is just making my face red and itchy... yuck.

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    Maybe I'm just 'fine haired' but I found the traditional 'steaming full-sink with bath-ring lather n scrape' with anything pretty hard going as a young fella.
    Here's an alternative that I've used for 15 years now - shower first (gasp!) then simple sorbolene and gillette Mach 3. I normally get about 6 months out of a cartridge! I think it just really softens skins and hair - no cuts - no rash…

    Although I'm also obsessive about sharpening our chefs knives on Japanese Waterstones - so the cut-throat has some attraction - but not for shaving!
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    Quote Originally Posted by okitoki View Post
    here is a possible sacrilegious question here, but can you shave with a DE blade using canned shaving cream? more of the quick in quick out morning shave should I miss the wakeup call once in awhile...

    Im getting really bad shaving rash now using my Gillette twin blade shaver, and the phillip wet dry electric shavers is just making my face red and itchy... yuck.
    You can, but prep (including using a quality soap) is instrumental to achieving a shave without irritation.

    Get a 4-pack of Colonel Conk (so you can figure out which you like) and a brush from wherever you get it from. Doesn't need to be badger if you're on a budget, boar is fine.

    I started looking into straights because of the same problems you're having. If that's the only reason, try a product called "SmartMen Smart Shave". ShaverShop (Australian website) carries it. You'll need a wet/dry shaver but it killed the irritation I was gettign with my Philips rotary.

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    As a single man I used to keep electric plugged in next to bed. 1st thing when alarm went off, reach out eyes closed, grab shaver, shave with eyes shut. Few minutes longer in bed, chore ticked off, wake up slowly, win win.

    Now I simply use a remington clipper with no attachment. Gives me a "No. Zero" or neat slight stubble all over. Takes mere seconds - can't beat 240v.

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    I'm onto my second razor. Started with a merkur futur but found it to aggressive so switched to the feather all stainless. It is an expensive razor but instantly first time I used it, it is such an easy razor to handle and perfectly fitted to my hand and gave me a really comfortable close shave.

    My cousin uses a HD and he swears by it, tried to up sell him on the futur wouldn't consider it!

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    Have a Merkur 23C and prefer Feather Blades, use a few different shaving creams but probably like the Geo. Trumper Sandalwood more than most.

    Don't wear many blades out though, as the beard gets to run feral most of the time; until I get sick of it...

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    Wow! A vision splendid! A selfie from royalty!
    I can see how your blade usage would be low
    Might be a bit off-topic - but I see that you might struggle with another facial hair ailment, so thought I'd ask an expert - how do you deal with the 'microfoam moustache?' Sip & wipe on sleeve, save till the end then the polite 'cafe napkin', leave it for "Ron" … quite the dilemma we facial growth advocates are faced with…

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    I used a manual blade razor for about 12 months as a 16 yo before I decided that it was madness.
    I have used a Phillips 3 head electric for the last 45 years.
    Sure it doesn't do as good a job as a manual razor but it doesn't cut up my face either.
    Anyone who uses a manual razor must have a smooth face and neck, mine is all bumps & lumps and was a bloodbath after every shave.

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    It's all in the technique... Not much you can do about pimples or acne scarring though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    It's all in the technique...
    ...and the blades I think. Probably like many others, when I started with the DE razor I got a sampler pack of different blades to try out. Started with the least aggressive and worked my way through them to find which ones worked best for me. Six or so years later I still have a couple of the Feather blades; every now and again I give one of them another go but they always result in plenty of nicks and cuts.

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    ok... I had my first wet shave this morning... and have to say WOW! on the result... was using a cheap'ish weishi or similar type DE razor, using the white Prorasa soap and a no name badger brush.... the sensation is great, and refreshing with the foam on my face... was having difficulties getting the right angle on the razor to get the "schk schk" sound , but when I do, I find I get really great results...

    Only place I had difficulties is on my jaw line, where I have thick and deep hairs that can be seen, but hard to shave off (the type that will come out if you rub it against the hair)... if I start to shave against the grain, that's where I normally get the razor burns...

    also, I am pretty surprised with how the day has progressed... with my asian facial hair, i normally don't shave that often (maybe every 3 days) I seem to notice alot of stubbles already appearing... guess the shave wasn't as close as I hoped for? (or maybe Im just noticing it more with the new found joy of wet shaving )

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    how do you deal with the 'microfoam moustache?' Sip & wipe on sleeve
    ... If I did that, my lovely lady would definitely whack me

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    leave it for "Ron"…
    See above...

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    save till the end then the polite 'cafe napkin'
    Always an option of course but prefer to have a clean hanky on hand, just for the purpose...

    Mal.

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    I'm currently using my Merkur Progress. I've also have a Merkur HD (34C). I use Astra blades. I prefer Proraso shaving soap in the green tub but I've run out of that and I'm using my tub of Cella shaving soap. I'm switching between my Proraso splash and an alum block (followed by Proraso pre shave cream). I bought a "Men U" brush from Mensbiz.

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    Wet shaver for the last 2 years, Merkur Classic, Personna Red blades and currently using Cella but only because I am waiting for my new scuttle to arrive after my wife broke my shave bowl.

    Best move I ever made, shave is closer, no shave rash and the ritual is kind of theraputic for me.

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    Hey Oki, congrats on your first DE experience!

    Check out this link for different holding positions. I found it really helpful for things like around the neck etc.

    Safety Razor Grips - Badger & Blade

    Main take away is you only want to apply a pinch on th razor and apply minimum pressure. Avoid the habit of reapeatably shaving the same spot and come back to it when you have reapplied some lather.

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    Those who are interested I have been geting stuff from menzbiz use the coupon BB2013 for 15% off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxp View Post
    I changed to DE about two years ago on Father's Day, and I have to say I love the ritual. I use a Brauhn 790 when I'm running late though.

    Currently I'm using:
    Merkur 34C
    Mensbiz Super Badger
    Geo F Trumper Cocunut Oil Shaving Cream (one of the best I've used)
    Personna Reds

    I've been using Feathers when I want the closest cut and I got some Polsilvers to see what all the talk is about. I reckon for the price they're overrated with Personna Reds beating them hands down.

    I recently bought some Men's Science stuff and it isn't bad but it is horrendously overpriced. I just can't recommend any of their products on a price/performance basis.

    Oh and anyone who thinks traditional wet shaving is anything other than DE/cutthroat would probably think Nespressos make real coffee.
    What is the Mensbiz Super Badger like?

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    I haven't used any mensbiz products yet, but at face value I would say you'd probably be on the money. They say badger is better than boar and super badger is the mid range. Reading the comments I say it got the goods where it counts. Like a Silvia of the badger brush world.

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    Nice thread,
    I've been thinking about alternative shaving methods to cartridge shavers as I'm not real happy with the finish and often get irritation around some areas that are hard to shave closely.
    Was using electric years ago, and it has crossed my mind to try electric again but I'm liking the idea of trying a DE razor.
    This looks like an alright starting pack doesn't it? But only the Speick Shaving Cream in stock.
    Men's Biz Standard Wet Shaving Kit | Men's Biz

    @chrislng, the coupon seems to be invalid

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    Make sure you type in BB2013 without a space behind it. I tried it the other day and it wasn't working until I typed it instead of copy paste

    Make the change. It's worth it. Much better than cartridge and electric shaving. My skin rashes on my face are already getting better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yabba View Post
    What is the Mensbiz Super Badger like?
    Not much to compare it to except for a cheap boar I used ages ago. Going strong after two years and makes good lather, so no complaints.



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