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    Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

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    Well off topic and only some of the members will have an interest in this but if I post it here the buggers might take less money from CSrs.

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    Think of it as a community service announcement.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Jeez, youre a bikie at heart, Andy....

    ride on...


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    apparently they have activated the "point-to-point" cameras on the Hume...

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    My $300 Road Angel knows them all for the whole country as well as having an accurate GPS speedo...Money well spent ;-)

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    I dont speed.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1176800691/0#3 date=1176809025
    I dont speed.
    ...and your not a Victorian. :P

    In Victoria you can (and often do) get booked for being 3kmh over the limit, add to that variable speed zones and an Australian standard for speedo accuracy with a greater tolerance than the polices speed cameras and even people that "donít speed" still get booked.


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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    I know the police down there are diligent.

    Last time I was in Melbourne I saw a young constable and an old Sergeant walking down the street.
    The older one crossed a very small lane against the lights.
    You could hear the cogs grinding in the young blokes head as he was torn between wanting to book the offender and realising it was his superior.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    I find it laughable when the police tell people where the speed cameras are. Its so simple....dont speed! And if you do and get caught be thankful all the State takes from you is some money and some demerit points. Obviously its worth the risk of tetraplegia, paraplegia, acquired brain injury, multiple organ injury, multiple limb trauma and death (to name a few) to arrive a few minutes earlier ...at best!!!

    I attend MVAs on a regular basis and see the immediate consequences resulting from execessive speed. When you get up close with someone screaming in your face to get them out of a car that is now an extremely uncomfortable metal and plastic cocoon and they have their dead mates head on their chest (An actual MVA I attended) you realise the price people are willing to pay for the convenience of modern transport and the stupidity of driving above the speed limit.

    Until you see that stuff on a regular basis - or are affected by it personally - Its amazing how little the message gets across to some people. Then I hear them piss and moan about how expensive their speeding fines are and how the government are money grubbers blah, blah blah... Too bad I say, dont speed and you wont pay. Its not that hard!

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Andy is a typical motorcyclist - and yeah the blue bandits bloody lie in wait at the SA/Vic border for people every year making the trek to Phillip Island.... [smiley=angry.gif]

    Thank goodess for the trusty radar detector. [smiley=happy.gif]

    Before you get upset at me Saambo. I fully agree, Ive lost far too many friends to eejits driving too fast in their metal coffins.


    Dont speed people. I used to get them at the hospital - and some still dont learn.

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    Sigh...
    (more and more I regret posting this)

    Yes Saambo,

    Speed is bad, dangerous and for way too many people every year it is also fatal.

    We get the message hammered into us on every second billboard, on the news, on ads and in the mail. The TAC in Victoria spends more on selling this message than they do on fixing dangerous road conditions.

    My reason for posting the list was frustration that the Australian standards for speedo error is vastly different to the polices standards of measurement.


    In Victoria you can (and often do) get booked for being 3kmh over the limit, add to that variable speed zones and an Australian standard for speedo accuracy with a greater tolerance than the polices speed cameras and even people that "donít speed" still get booked.
    NOTE:
    even people that "donít speed" still get booked.


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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    ...and nobody here has EVER wavered over the speed limit by 3 km/h ::)...

    If they were serious in Victoria, wed see speed cameras in dangerous locations and police presence on the roads....

    Instead, they are usually sighted in good revenue locations....and do we ever see a police car on the road to pick up the idiot drivers on phones, eating and doing god knows what else?? Nope, theyre buying Maccas and doughnuts....

    Inappropriate speed can kill as do speed differentials and inexperience....but there is not a camera for that....

    Now we have average speed cams on the Hume- much of which could have a 140km/h limit and still be safe...

    I do my best not to speed either, but am not going to pay extra taxes....so my road angel reminds me to check my speed before I get slugged....

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Sounds like a good reason to take some of the very nice back roads between our cities. The New England and Newell Highways are relatively untouched with speed cameras...:)

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Yes folks there are some good arguments in all the above.
    Inappropriate speed can cause errors of judgment with serious consequences.

    However as has been highlighted, the speed camera issue, is claimed to be about saving lives and sure it has made some difference, BUT they are not always used correctly, or necessarily in black spots and in Vic particularly the 3kph deviation is really potential for revolt. (Of course if Victorians had a better observance of actual speed limits prior to the 3kph deviation being introduced and enforced, maybe it wouldnt have happened....but now as has been so well pointed out the deviation which you are allowed is very difficult to achieve all the time.

    I drive a bit for work and average a bit over 30,000km per year, now in Tasmania, originally from Melbourne. I see lots of bad driving, which is not speeding, but has the potential to cause accidents. Speed cameras will never, and couldnt be, used to catch these bad drivers, but I wish something was being done. And yes we see cameras over here set up along nice good sections of road, but rarely where there have been accidents...why?

    On the plus side we do also get some very courteous drivers over here who for example will pull over and let you pass if they want/have to travel significantly below the posted limit for the area.

    In summary, I just hope if I am forced to discuss the meaning of life with a road traffic officer he is as lenient with me as they are with all the young hoons that live around our area.

    Keep up the good work Andy.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    If the function of speed cameras is to reduce road fatalities from speeding, why was there such a terrible road toll in Victoria a nd NSW this easter - most were a result of speeding.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    errrrr...not enough speed cameras or maybe idiots ignoring the speed limits or combination of wet weather/inexperienced drivers losing control at speed or maybe just too much caffeine..........

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Having said my bit about speed you cant account for giving licences to morons who have no regard for other road users. Anecdotally (i.e from my personal experience) its the passengers or other road users that end up getting injured and the peanut that caused the accident walks away. In the MVA that I mentioned in the previous post the driver did a runner from the scene and showed up about half an hour later to confess with not a scratch on him! But one of his passengers was dead.

    I agree with the location of speed cameras being about raising revenue and not being in the VA hot spots. But the deterrent effect of paying up big $ if you do get caught may slow you down in an area that is known to have lots of crashes. I think the government thinks they might as well make some cash while deterring people from speeding. I think it costs about 4k/day to keep someone alive in an ICU. Add to that the costs of additional care if they are permanently disabled and its pretty expensive when its coming from public health coffers. Let the speeders contribute to paying for it I say...and the smokers! (just to add fuel to the fire..hehe)

    I reckon if you take out speed, fatigue, drugs/alcohol and what I call "the idiot factor" the road toll approaches zero. I dare say that rarely is mechanical failure the cause of a fatal crash (Im only guessing though).

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    I watch that NZ Serious Crash Unit show and I cant remember yet seeing an episode where theyve found a mechanical fault with a vehicle thats caused a crash.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1176800691/15#15 date=1176967932
    I watch that NZ Serious Crash Unit show and I cant remember yet seeing an episode where theyve found a mechanical fault with a vehicle thats caused a crash.
    Maybe because the TV station still want to run the Toyota ads in the next break.

    Police (who enjoy free maccas) never target Mc Donalds drive through traffic (people driving with the left knee with shake in one hand and a burger in the other.

    ...and it was just the other day that I was driving along after loosing my muffler, minding my own business with loaded rifle on the dash, a dead body in the boot while drinking the last of the bottle of scotch with one hand and holding the bong in the other while fixing my hair in that very convenient mirror in the middle of the windscreen when I drove past a speed camera backwards while I was on the wrong side of the road. I just didnít see it due to the thick fog and torrential hail storm and all those pesky little school kids crossing the road had distracted me a little. Thankfully Iím a good driver who was only doing 59kmh in the 60kmh zone so the camera wonít send me a ticket.

    Seriously... I would be far happier with police on every corner doing what they used to do.


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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Wouldnt we all.

    My daughter has just turned 16 and has got her learners permit. Honestly, it freaks me out when I think of her being on the roads terrorising the rest of us.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007



    Recently near my work, there was a serious accident involving a P-plater. Somehow the car slammed, driver-side into a power pole. Later, police found a mobile with a half-written text message on it. It was in a 50kph zone.

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Chalk that one up to "idiot factor".




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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Another second crack worth.

    Yes I agree one of the biggest issues is driver training (or lack of it).

    Recently we had the amazing situation here in Tassy where John Bowe offered to assist with real driver training, apparently a genuine offer to help a serious problem, (dont know actual details) but it was just vetoed immediately by the ones who make the decisions....

    (For those who didnt know, John Bowe is a racing driver, guess what seemed the one who really knows how to drive a car under all kinds of situations wasnt the right person to be involved in driver training....)

    Hey Saambo, I dont envy your job, but God Bless you for doing it.

    Seems we are all heading towards similar conclusion, if we could do something serious about the idiot factor, a lot less people would be affected by the road toll.

    Regards
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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    But thanks for posting those locations Andy, they are convenient to those who dont speed and dont wish to make a donation to the Vic Govt.

    And hey, this info is available everywhere! It is broadcast on a daily basis on most of the commercial radio stations....

    Time to pull a shot...

    Please dont speed people! :-*

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    Re: Victorian Speed Camera Locations - March 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1176800691/0#5 date=1176816201
    I know the police down there are diligent.

    Last time I was in Melbourne I saw a young constable and an old Sergeant walking down the street.
    The older one crossed a very small lane against the lights.
    You could hear the cogs grinding in the young blokes head as he was torn between wanting to book the offender and realising it was his superior.
    Then the young constable says to the old sargeant, "lets run down there and book a couple of those speeding drivers" and the old sargeant says "slow down son, lets walk down and bookem all."



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