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Thread: EEK.....there's a tiger snake in my garage

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    EEK.....there's a tiger snake in my garage

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    The wife had been out to check the kittens in the garage late yesterday arvo and came back in saying "there is a serious problem, a very serious problem..." I could tell from the tone and manner that there really was a serious problem happening.

    She had surprised the snake eating out of the the kitten's food bowl, and one of the two kittens was lying in there next to it with its legs pointing in the direction of heaven....

    The kitten had been very ill earlier in the day, looking like it wasn't going to make it...meaning the snake had been in there for some time.....next to my car, and me going in and out of the car and the garage doing stuff....

    Other kitten, plus adult cat ok thankfully, although that's what they're there for, the first line of defense.

    How do you find a tiger snake in a pretty full garage?

    With determination.

    Result, 1 kitten down, 1 tiger snake down.

    How many others might be in there?????????????????

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    Crikey TOK!

    Could have had a much more dramatic outcome, pleased to hear you and your wife were unharmed.

    Bad luck about the kitten, sounds like you sent slippery snake to heaven, would have been my reaction as well.

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    Unfortunate if you did kill it - protected species in most (maybe all) states in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete39 View Post
    Unfortunate if you did kill it - protected species in most (maybe all) states in Australia.
    Yep.

    "Snakes are protected under the Nature Conservation Act 1992 and it is an offence to kill, injure or take snakes from the wild."
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    "If there is a chance that a snake could find its way into your home, you should keep the number of a licensed snake catcher on hand. You can obtain the details of a local snake catcher by searching the Yellow Pages"

    http://www.ehp.qld.gov.au/wildlife/livingwith/snakes/

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    So, a snake finds its way into my garage, I'm expected to ring Harry Butler and pay him to come and remove said reptile, ain't gonna happen, any snake in my house threatening my family members will quickly find its self on a one way journey through the pearly gates.

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    "In most Australian states, they are protected species, and to kill or injure one incurs a fine of up to $7,500, as well as a jail sentence of 18 months in some states.[10] It is also illegal to export a native Australian snake." - Wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    So, a snake finds its way into my garage, I'm expected to ring Harry Butler and pay him to come and remove said reptile, ain't gonna happen, any snake in my house threatening my family members will quickly find its self on a one way journey through the pearly gates.
    And unfortunately that is a common attitude when people come across snakes in their homes, and some pay the ultimate price trying to kill them.
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    Hi

    Sometimes its hard to tell tiger snakes from browns or copperheads as the patterning varies so much between tiger snake species and age and region. Browns can also be banded. Anyhow they are all very bad. I have found the tassie ones are a bit slow and docile but the NSW ones are quicker. Keep it nice and satisfied with the kittens :-)

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    Yup, I understood it would go down this path when I posted it, but being the eternal optimist that I am....

    Like many others living in the country, we live in a tiger snake "alley". Which is probably fortunate because when we travel just 10k's to the east, we are smack in the middle of brown snake alley and I reckon they're not quite as friendly as our tigers.

    These areas are literally crawling with them and they are quite lively right now although they will get even more lively as the season progresses. That is, to the point where when you walk yourself or your dog or your children or grandchildren down the lane in the afternoon, you have to scan out in front of you from side to side just like you do for kangaroos when you drive down the road out here...and you don't walk after dark.

    In this area, we have the highest rate of use of antivenene in the country.

    That said, for the most part they mind their own business and we mind ours, although occasionally it cant help but go a little bit further than that.

    Many that live out bush don't necessarily need snake handlers because they know what to do, and you all might like to ponder on that when you relocate a venomous snake, you are relocating it into someone else's area around their children and grandchildren and pets and animals.

    And of course while there will always extremes of attitude at both ends of the spectrum, I favour a more balanced approach.
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    Why are they a protected species anyway? As far as I can see there doesn't appear to be a shortage of them.

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    Coz, there's a danger they'll become #36 with Black Bean Sauce if open season is declared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    So, a snake finds its way into my garage, I'm expected to ring Harry Butler and pay him to come and remove said reptile.....
    Fair suck oh the sav mate.....you don't really expect anyone here to remember who he was ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete39 View Post
    Unfortunate if you did kill it.....
    Look I couldn't agree more, under most circumstances they mind their business and we mind ours, and they really are very beautiful as you see them slowly slithering in a direction away from you down the paddock....

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    ...it is an offence to kill, injure or take snakes from the wild.......
    Regardless of whether its an offence or not, no right minded person would ever harm a snake (or any other animal) when no threat is being posed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Why are they a protected species.....?.
    I dunno, but as I wrote above I don't see why anyone would want to kill one unless there was a very good reason...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete39 View Post
    ...when people come across snakes in their homes...some pay the ultimate price trying to kill them.
    Well, those that have never handled a snake probably shouldn't go near one because they will invariably try to use the wrong implements to try and capture the thing, they wont (capture it) but will stir it up, and that's when it is super dangerous and lightning quick, and that's when you're in for it...

    In the last 10 years we've had roughly 7 bites on our property some of them fatal. All of them were our animals, and we also have an 18 month old toddler running around now....
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    TOK,

    Was the visitor to your garage cooked and eaten?

    I understand that snake was a delicacy to the original owners of our land. I have eaten many things but never snake.

    The last time I killed a snake was many years ago, when I had a brown one in the kitchen of my house when living near Bombala, southern NSW. When I find snakes, not in my house, I leave them alone.

    I expect that snakes along with other wildlife are sadly being barbecued by bushfires in Sydney’s Blue Mountains today. Some parts of Sydney have had 40c temp today.

    Barry

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    No, but don't "they" say they "taste like chicken"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOK View Post
    No, but don't "they" say they "taste like chicken"?
    Had a rattlesnake sandwich in Arizona once... and snake does taste like chicken... rubber chicken that is
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    My attitude is very much the same as TOK's, wouldn't harm one out in the bush, on my property with animals and kids around, different story.

    As a matter of interest, this from the SA Govt web site, so either way a lot must be "humanely destroyed".

    Snake catchers



    If an eastern brown snake is causing anxiety or danger to a person snake catchers can:

    • locate
    • capture
    • keep (if they hold a specialist permit to keep protected animals with appropriate endorsements)
    • trade the animal to any person with suitable authority to keep such a snake
    • translocate (ie relocate within 2 kilometres of the capture site), or
    • humanely destroy them.

    If a snake catcher captures a snake that is not an eastern brown snake, it must be either relocated back into a suitable habitat within two kilometres of where it was captured, or humanely destroyed.
    Snake catchers can also locate, capture and relocate common reptiles that are causing anxiety to a person, such as bluetongue lizards and bearded dragons, within their normal range.
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    Hmmmm! the Yanks certainly have a different attitude to we Aussie's about dealing with snakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Had a rattlesnake sandwich in Arizona once... and snake does taste like chicken... rubber chicken that is
    It must have been a anaconda-rubber-snake-replica.jpg
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    TOK, I'm not surprised to see the replies in this thread to your post. Personally, I am in a similar situation with living in the outback on property which while can be considered being in town, is also surrounded by large open tracts of land where most snakes live a fairly unmolested life.

    However, I don't know how many snakes I have destroyed over the years and I have lost 5 dogs to the darn things as well. And as to the dogs that I have had successfully kill a snake, who is going to fine them???

    So, Pete39, living in Toowoomba, do you know who your local snake catcher is? I reckon, living about 600kms from any major city, I'm not really going to have a snake catcher come out here every day I see a snake. Snake catchers don't want to live in the outback or anywhere away from a major city because they'd never get any sleep!

    My neighbour's sister was bitten by a brown snake last year, whilst doing some gardening next door. She is lucky to have survived without any kidney damage. I ask why should a snake's life be more important than hers? According to that law, a snake is more important than a human life.

    My policy has been to kill any brown snake that is hanging around my house and I usually let the black snakes live a quiet life that I know are around. I like black snakes, they're generally more shy of me and never seem to get aggressive except when cornered. I have seen one very angry black snake once, he retreated down a crack in the ground and we wished him well. I know people out here who will just take to them with a rifle no questions asked but I really can't blame them. If you came out to the outback and saw just how many snakes are here, then you'd probably understand why people are quick to shoot and ask questions later. Mind you, a far greater amount live compared to the very few that don't.

    And please don't tell me that galah's are a protected species as well...because I've been slowly working on their numbers over the years too, you'll be horrified to know. (Galah and cockatoo carnage season has recently started with harvest. Vehicles and birds stuffed full of spilled grain don't mix!)

    I really do not take any pleasure in killing wildlife. I have certainly done my best over the years to save as much as I am able. But can you believe that there are even laws about not doing that kind of thing too? Thank goodness for generous and sympathetic vets!

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    A thought provoking thread TOK. When I lived on the coast I was told that if you have black snakes on your property you will not see tigers or browns. The story goes that black snakes are territorial and hunt out trespassers. Not sure how true this is, maybe someone can shed some light on it.

    Am reading a book on our bikie gangs (Dead Man Running by Ross Coulthart and Duncan McNab) which mentions the heavy trafficking in our native wild life, it appears that native wild life trafficking is 3rd highest on illegal activities behind drugs and weapons.

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    As far as I'm aware, there is a provision in the various State-based Acts that allows you to kill/harm a snake if it is posing a genuine threat to life and safety.

    From the relevant NSW Act:

    "112 Harming snakes

    A person shall not be convicted of an offence against this Act in respect of the harming of a snake unless it is proved that there were no grounds on which the person could reasonably have believed at any relevant time that the snake was endangering, or was likely to endanger, any person or property."


    NSW Legislation

    I reckon Scoots and TOK will be ok with the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey View Post
    A thought provoking thread TOK. When I lived on the coast I was told that if you have black snakes on your property you will not see tigers or browns. The story goes that black snakes are territorial and hunt out trespassers. Not sure how true this is, maybe someone can shed some light on it.
    I've heard the same thing as well. When I questioned a long term 'local' about this theory, it apparently only holds true if the black snake is bigger than the other snakes in the area. So it may be a battle of the biggest, not who likes their territory the most.

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    I've always had the understanding that if a snake was a threat you had the right to um... eliminate the threat.

    Having spent nearly 20 years in central Victoria on a few acres next to a river........I despatched more than a few.

    We had snakes in the house, the roof, the chook shed, during the day or at night and down at the river a plenty.

    Once, my son of about 12 or so, was swimming around going underwater and stuff when a black snake started swimming across the river.....

    needless to say our young fella came up for air right under the snake! It's belly slipped off his head!

    Snakes were a part of our lives, that was just a fact. We had a couple of good 'snake dogs' over the years too and we could always tell from the bark if there

    was a snake being baled up by one of the dogs.

    The most effective weapon was a shotgun but I wasn't into guns, just had Mum's old .22, no good for snakes.

    So a long piece of high tensile fencing wire folded in two and twisted into a wire whip was the thing. Worked a treat.

    We lived on the upper Campaspe and had to put up with brown snakes, a few red belly blacks but they mostly chased frogs down at the river.

    Saw a blind snake one night, but he didn't see us. Just kept going.

    Over the hill, in the Coliban River valley there were mostly tigers. Why? I dunno.

    Killed probably 6 or 7 snakes every year, drank instant coffee too. Seems I was a redneck bogan back in those days! :-D

    But no-one was ever bitten, us, the kids, the dogs or the chooks. Maybe lost a few mice but there was plenty of them to go 'round.

    My dad was bitten twice by a red belly black while he was looking at a sea eagle through binoculars, stepped right on it and had to walk a kilometre

    back home before he collapsed. He's 86 now, so the old snake didn't get him. Got a nasty scar tho', and a fright.

    That was at the beach at Potato Point, near Moruya.

    My sister is on 9000 acres near Wagga, they have some snakes there too.....lots.
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