Post By brendogs
So last night I was just roasting a couple amazing Brazil samples, as I finished the roast and went to take the Hottop cooling tray to the garden to blow the remaining chaff out I was inches away from stepping on this guy who probably thought those Brazil's smelled too good to be true! Thankfully it went defensive (Cobra stance) and stood its ground because I was wearing shorts and he's head wouldn't have been more than 10 inches away!
Extremely frightening experience.
As I took a step back it retreated and squeezed under the door and I lost it, as I went and called my partner we were searching for it and couldn't find it after an hour or so. I then began to roast my final batch and he decided to pop back in again!!! (As you can see with the photo of him sticking he's head out from under the door)
This was the stage we called the snake catcher who grabbed him to release back into the wild away from our house.
PS, with he's head sticking out I had about 6 mins remaining on that final roast and decided I wasn't wasting any beans for some snake. He sat with he's head under the door for the remainder of the roast as we had a stare down. (I think he was trying to steal my roast profile)
After all this turns out it was a highly aggressive Tiger Snake that could have put me in hospital in a serious condition if he did decide to bite me.
well done, yes its an adult Tiger in pretty good looking condition about average size (for my area) and in retrospect I'm afraid I would dump the unfinished batch and do something about the snake before proceeding....you can always "double roast" the batch, but you cant really go back from a snake bite from one of those...
Contrary to what is commonly thought, we (here in our area, a tiger snake alley) have never found them to be aggressive at all except if you wander too close in the mating season....they usually mind their own business and will shy away from you as long as you don't interfere with them. So when we see them they are usually slithering away... If you try and bail them up then sure....then certainly they are aggressive.
While it will vary, the colour of the stripes on your snake appears to indicate that it has been stirred up but could be "cooling down". In our area, when they are angry the stripes end up a bright yellow orange colour and the brown brightens (it also gets an orange tinge), and when they are calm, sometimes the stripes are almost not visible to the point where the snake just looks brown unless you look very very closely (or stir it up).
If you get that happening again, I suggest to STOP roasting and get some help.
Our dogs brought a dead tiger snake to the back door yesterday morning....all chewed up and no head....
We locked the dogs up and waited to see if any of them exhibited the first signs of a bite but luckily, all is good. All the cats are good too, so who knows what the real story is....No need to use the bottle of antivenene that is sitting in the fridge...
You appear to be in a tiger snake area. Suggest you keep a steel rake and a spade at front and back doors, garage, shed, etc etc etc. That way IF you get a situation where you have to act, use the FLAT of the steel rake to pin the snake behind the head for further action. 2 buckets can be used if you intend to relocate the snake (ie snake in first bucket, then second bucket on top). Its the nice width of the rake head that makes it convenient for this, and only make calm, slow movements (ie don't stir it up), but it's not really for the faint hearted, only if you really really really need to do it (like when its in your house).
I should add: just note that when you relocate a venomous snake away from your area, you are placing it in someone else's area who may also happen to have children or grand children running around in their back yard.....
Tennis rackets are handy for all animal inconveniences because of their large sized head, light weight and easy to move quickly, if all you are trying to do is fend them off (geese, vicious dogs, angry nesting hens etc), but suggest that will be a pointless excercise with an angry snake that really needs to be immobalised with the flat of the rake (in the absence of the correct jigger and snake handler).
Hope that helps.
Last edited by TOK; 13th February 2015 at 11:44 AM.
I somewhat admire your courage and dedication to coffeesnobdom by not abandoning your roast brendogs. You were probably lucky not to get bitten, being so close when you first discovered it. The Tiger is mainly nocturnal and possibly looking for an after-dinner brew? It has a reputation for aggression but like most snakes it is fairly shy and likely to avoid anything that isn't on its diet list. It is the world's 4th or 5th most venomous snake.
I once saw a brown snake slither into my kitchen and slide under the fridge.
I put on gum boots and long trousers and while I was on the kitchen table I poked it out with wire and hunted it outside where I disposed of it. There were no snake catchers anywhere for many miles.
In those days the only coffee in the house was instant.
I wear gumboots and long trousers all year round on my property and make plenty of noise moving about. It seems to work well enough. There is no substitute for the flat of the rake once the snake is out in the open (unless you are a handler with correct jigger).
Oddly, despite what you read and hear, my experience in my area is browns are a lot more aggressive than tigers and will chase you....eek.
I usually need a cup of good coffee after dealing with a snake !
I've heard of Snake Coffee before,
But it doesn't involve real snakes. Tigers can be very nasty if cornered or threatened and are known to make multiple attacks/bites if really miffed - same as browns. As TOK says keep things handy for those unexpected visits and give all snakes a wide berth - my neighbour woke one hot Feb night to find a 18in Dugite wrapped up in the bed sheets at the foot of the bed. I see 4-6 Dugites in my yard a year, they are usually just passing through... but I try to be prepared for the worst.
Where are you guy's from with all these snake experiences. I'm from Hillside in Melbourne, my property is backing onto some park lands so in 4 years of living here we've only seen two snakes which has been pretty good odd's to me.
The photo of the stripes was straight after the catcher got the snake in the box so it was after all the commotion.
Funnily enough this snake handler used a car squeegee that you use to wash the windscreens of your car with at service stations!! It was completely worn and torn apart haha, first impressions were this guy is gonna get bitten and die infront of me. He actually had a very close call because the snake was so anxious and cornered it got really defensive and when he picked it up by the tail it attempted two strikes and nearly got he's forearm.
I grew up in a small coastal village on the south coast of NSW and saw plenty of venomous creatures: snakes, funnelwebs, redbacks and blue-ringed octopus. In front of our house was a large grassy area with a blackberry patch. We used to make plenty of noise while blackberrying cos you knew there were snakes in there too. Snakes (mainly red-bellied blacks) used to head beneath our house nearly every summer to avoid the heat. They had to pass the dog house and we were usually alerted by the dog going off its brain. Bushfires were when you were most likely to see snakes for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by brendogs
I haven't been chased by a brown snake but they seem to stand their ground and not shy away. I think death adders are most dangerous as they blend in and stay very still. People don't see them until they tread on them.
Originally Posted by TOK
A few things to note .... in Australia it's illegal to kill a snake and secondly if you try and hold it down with a rake it can strike you so fast you won't see the strike. I'm pretty quick and I won't try to use a rake or squeegee or spade on one. I have nearly stepped on a few blacks bellies and brown snakes as they didn't move out of my way even though I was making a fair bit of noise and ground vibrations.
SE NSW. We are on top of an escarpment...Tiger Snakes. At the bottom....Browns. This area has the highest use of antivenene in Australia according to the local vet (but of course that is where the antivenene has been used for animals). Snake bite on animals here is very common.
Surprised the snake handler didnt have a proper jigger....they have a movable "finger" at the end that runs parallel to the end of the stick, so you can grab the snake and hold it, lift it, and do whatever you need to do from a distance which is the length of the tool. That said, anything with a solid long flat end will do to pin it down with....but then you have to pick it up yourself which necessitates more care when you release it into your bucket or bag for disposal.....better be quick
Blackberries.....natural snake hotels
Mike, the idea is to pin them as close to the back of the head as possible....no use pinning them by the tail./.. and of course kindly note all discussion has centered around "relocation" not death of the snake. I should also say, it is relatively easy to pin the snake down behind the head every time.....as long as it hasnt been aggravated. It's all up to / depends on, the handler. The more you aggravate the snake, the more difficult and dangerous you make the job for yourself... Townspeople should call a snake handler unless the situation dictates immediate drastic action. People in the country make do.
a) the rake has a steel head & has a long handle, significantly longer than I've ever seen a local (to me) tiger snake;
b) I would never use a squeegee...handle too short and cheap wooden head, dont know when its likely to break...
c) the spade is not for pining the snake nor for bashing the snake, as it is very inefficient tool for both and much more likelihood of the operator being injured (by the snake).
Last edited by TOK; 13th February 2015 at 04:39 PM.
Got bailed up by one of these beauties on the front lawn at night, when we were living in W.A. a few years ago. Don't know if it was curious or aggressive, but it followed me all around the yard until I went inside and closed the door...
"Western Brown snake" by Andy - originally posted to Flickr as Western Brown. Licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0 via Wikimedia Commons - File:Western Brown snake.jpg - Wikimedia Commons