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    Removing that annoying "get windows 10 message"

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    I'm sick of "Get Window 10 message, I want it gone.

    I tried at first playing nice and removing update KB 3035583, This didn't work for me. Because MS seem to be pushing the update multiple times as I've had to hide two different versions of the same KB update. So it will probably just keep coming back.

    So after some research I discovered the program is contained in
    C:\windows\system32\GWX. Delete the folder? - not easy because MS has assigned system privileges to the folder.

    So you need to change the permissions of the GWX folder

    On the C:\Windows\System32\GWX folder properties
    Go to security and click advanced
    Then go to the owner tab and click edit. It should automatically have Administrators and your username in there,
    Click your username and near the bottom check the box that says replace owner on subcontainers then click OK.
    Then go to the permissions tab on the advanced security settings Click change permissions then click Add and add your username Check the Full control box and click OK.
    Then check the Replace all child object permissions and click OK Then OK on the advanced security settings window and close the folder properties window. Now you can delete or rename it.

    I chose to rename the folder to GWXNOT. Which destroys the windows path and effectively kills the message. If I ever want Win 10, the folder can be renamed again and update offer re-instated.
    Other may decide to delete the folder and files completely.

    DISCLAIMER: This worked for me on Win 7 /64. It should work on
    Win7 /32 and all versions of Win 8. But the procedure is done at you own risk without any guarantee of not causing other problems.


    Enjoy......
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    Nice fix :-)
    I have been reading on slashdot about MS now disabling 3rd party apps that stop the upgrade being pushed on users. It will now remind users twice a day.

    Does not affect me - I just updated my Linux Debian machines a few minutes ago to patch some png, ssl and openssh server bugs. I still have though my Windows XP that runs Coffee Snobs software :-)

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by speleomike View Post
    Nice fix :-)
    I have been reading on slashdot about MS now disabling 3rd party apps that stop the upgrade being pushed on users. It will now remind users twice a day.

    Does not affect me - I just updated my Linux Debian machines a few minutes ago to patch some png, ssl and openssh server bugs. I still have though my Windows XP that runs Coffee Snobs software :-)

    Mike
    XP is not considered by M$ to be on the free upgrade list as far as I know and should be immune to the hassle. But hot fixes and security have stooped, so it best to ditch it IMO.

    I run linux mint under VMware on my win 7 machine . When using linux I use Opera as a browser.

    You should able to do the same under Debian and access the CS forum using Opera. You can also get a version of Firefox for linux, which probably is nicer to use.

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    I'm heading back to Linux when support for Win7 and 8.1 finally stops.
    Been using it on one of my laptops for some time, so reasonably au fait and comfortable using it...

    Still need at least Win7 for a lot of my app's but happy to stop Net access when the time comes.

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    My main is app is Matlab.

    Available for Linux, but I just can't be bothered changing over. I've used Windows since V3.0. And DOS since V5 before that.

    The business and commercial work uses Windows

    And I use Win7/64 which is fast and stable.

    Support for Window allegedly stops in 2020 odd. But it's sure to linger for quite a while afterwards. I'll worry about potential problems closer to that date.

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    I've used Windows since they invented the sash. Never really believed that the casement was an upgrade but every other bloke was doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I've used Windows since they invented the sash. Never really believed that the casement was an upgrade but every other bloke was doing it.
    The 64 bit versions of windows really are a step forward. Because you are no longer limited to 4 gig of managed Ram as in XP 32bit.

    Stick in 16 gb of ram and an ssd and you will see windows run really fast and boot in less 15 seconds!

    I'm still using win 7 pro /64 and have no intention of changing.


    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...its_windows_xp

    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...mits_windows_7
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrm View Post
    I'm sick of "Get Window 10 message, I want it gone.

    [COLOR=#333333]I tried at first playing nice and removing update KB 3035583, This didn't work for me.
    You must be running a Vesuvius...

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    Not really, just a pretty PC with well chosen components.

    Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.151230-0600)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
    System Model:
    BIOS: BIOS Date: 05/31/12 09:33:10 Ver: 04.06.05
    Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.9GHz
    Memory: 16384MB RAM
    Available OS Memory: 16346MB RAM
    Page File: 3136MB used, 29553MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    User DPI Setting: 120 DPI (125 percent)
    System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
    DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
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    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680
    Manufacturer: NVIDIA
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    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1180&SUBSYS_28331462&REV_A1
    Display Memory: 4037 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 1989 MB
    Shared Memory: 2048 MB
    Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
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    Monitor Id: BNQ7840
    Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)





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    Microsoft bringing out more BIG sticks...
    Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10 | Ars Technica

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Microsoft bringing out more BIG sticks...
    Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10 | Ars Technica

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    So what, I have a least three I7s PC hanging around. So hardware compatibility ain't going to be an issue.

    Frankly I see this as scare tactics because at OS nuts and bolts level there is very little difference between Win 7, Win 8 and Win 10 of course I'm talking X64 versions.

    In fact, I have Win 10 running under VMware as a guest running under Win7 host . I did this as a tryout so I could non invasively
    install Win 10. It just sits there, and boots when selected, along with Linux Mint and few of the other superseded M$ OSs. Which are there to run outdated software or test something.

    And I've already hacked Cortana from Win 10 in Win 7 pro. About the only worthwhile feature I've found in Win 10 to date.

    Win 10 is too social media oriented for my liking. Especially the default wireless network sharing settings.
    How to kill Wi-Fi password sharing in Windows 10 - CNET

    The users who want an OS as tool are likely to stick with Win7 IMO.

    So I can't see a problem at the moment unless M$ deliberately sabotage later versions so they won't run on older hardware, even then, there will be someone who builds a "patch" - it just a matter of knowing where to look for it.

    When all else fails I will default to linux mint, but will learn to hate it, because I've used Windows for over 45 years and kinda feel at home by now. Not to mention replacing a few decades of collected software.

    If push comes to shove I can pickup a pencil and Calculator (as I did in the early days) and use an Android phone or tablet for browsing.

    So there are lots of options . Windows ceasing is likely to be a challenge rather than a problem I think.

    And Barry O'Speedwagon, Window 10 is not like Double Glazing

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    The big push to Windows 10 is because Microsoft is seeing falling sales of their OS's and with Windows 10 they are moving to a Google/Facebook type financial model where their income is generated from selling information about their users to other companies rather than from direct sales of the OS. MS wants this new revenue stream to start producing as fast as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by rrm View Post
    I've used Windows for over 45 years and kinda feel at home by now.
    I'd be interested in hearing about the Windows you used between 1970 and 1985. The earliest Windows I know of was Windows 1.0 whose development was started in 1981 under a different name and was announced in November of 1983 under the name Windows 1.0 and was then subsequently publicly released 30 years ago in November 1985.


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    I'd be interested in hearing about the Windows you used between 1970 and 1985. The earliest Windows I know of was Windows 1.0 whose development was started in 1981 under a different name and was announced in November of 1983 under the name Windows 1.0 and was then subsequently publicly released 30 years ago in November 1985.
    So true JP, an un-intentional subtraction error when calculating decades. During the 70's we were using the DOS series of OSs and running in a text based environment.

    Although a few of us may have been using IBM PS/2 and later OS/2 (1987)

    "Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it" George Santayana

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    For those interested, Microsoft has an article on their support website on how to deal with Windows 10 upgrade: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    For those interested, Microsoft has an article on their support website on how to deal with Windows 10 upgrade: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 .
    I tried that first. It doesn't work long term (For W7 PRO anyway). Every live update installed re initializes "Get Windows 10".

    Would you honestly expect M$ to be fully upfront.

    The method I've detailed has killed the message for the last 5 months.

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    I've been ignoring the prompt on a couple of machines but I also know a few people happily running Windows 10.

    What I've found funny though is the number of times that the GWX process falls over.
    Doesn't instill much confidence in the new product if the nag screen crashes.
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    I've found Win 10 a lot more stable on my laptop than the Win 8 OS that it replaced. However, that may be due to the fact that the upgrade canned the Catalyst Control Centre that was administering the video services.

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    Quite possibly ATI are not renown for Video stability. ATI=AMD = direct competition to Intel. And M$ have a vested interest in Intel.

    Personally, I'd always choose NVIDIA video , with a M$ "signed" driver if possible.

    Yes, W10 is quite stable, like W8 & W7. However the UI isn't for everyone.

    Edit: Yes, I've just twigged inbuilt video on a lappy.

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    Win10 is brilliant and incredibly stable. A definite improvement over 8 and easily as stable as 7 with more than a few new features thrown in

    And who doesn't like a free upgrade... especially one that works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Win10 is brilliant and incredibly stable. A definite improvement over 8 and easily as stable as 7 with more than a few new features thrown in

    And who doesn't like a free upgrade... especially one that works?
    No arguments with stability. Nor reliability of upgrade from Win7/8 x64 bit.

    FWIW my Win 7 install is just as stable and so it should be, it's the same core OS.

    Answer to your question: A person who runs mainly scientific applications and has no particular desire to be dragged into Social media, nor have the 50 dozen additional services (none of which he uses) loaded into the task list to deplete the resources and thus reduce number crunching speed of their PC.

    Life experience has proven to me there is nothing for free. Least of all from M$. And definitely not a lunch.

    Th gotcha will appear when as many users as possible are safely locked into Win 10. It's just got to happen: the development of W10 certainly hasn't been for free.

    I'm certainly not not going to fall for "come in spinner", not this early anyway.

    Change for change's sake is never a good idea. I need a better reason other than a different UI (to learn) and less available system resources.

    Think about it and tell me where my logic is flawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Win10 is brilliant and incredibly stable. A definite improvement over 8 and easily as stable as 7 with more than a few new features thrown in

    And who doesn't like a free upgrade... especially one that works?
    It's not free:

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    The big push to Windows 10 is because Microsoft is seeing falling sales of their OS's and with Windows 10 they are moving to a Google/Facebook type financial model where their income is generated from selling information about their users to other companies rather than from direct sales of the OS. MS wants this new revenue stream to start producing as fast as possible.

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    On my laptop with Win10 I can run Fallout 4 on HIGH video settings with 20 something Chrome tabs still open in the background while simultaneously streaming music for my wife to listen to. I couldn't do that with Win7... and definitely not with Win8 either... all of which would seem to suggest that Win10s resource management is rather robust and most likely an advancement on what MS came up with years ago. Also... when taking a break I simply close the lid of my machine and flip it back up when ready and it bursts back into life within seconds. Try that with Win7.

    Lastly... there's nothing really new to learn with the UI either. It's a step back from the touch screen centric approach of Win8 and far more like Win7 with the added bonus of additional social media-esque features there if you CHOOSE to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I've been ignoring the prompt on a couple of machines but I also know a few people happily running Windows 10.

    What I've found funny though is the number of times that the GWX process falls over.
    Doesn't instill much confidence in the new product if the nag screen crashes.
    Nice to meet you Andy.

    Yes, some people really like the new UI. I'm perhaps an "old dude" who likes the XP/ Win7 layouts and prefers to have everything in same place in every OS. Which is pretty well the jump from XP to Win 7 : bar some very sensible and logical changes.

    My main apps are Matlab and Protel/ Altium. With a bit of Autocad and Inventor. So the faster the system runs the better.

    Many people love W10 , however I'm not as convinced. There will be a catch somewhere I believe.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    On my laptop with Win10 I can run Fallout 4 on HIGH video settings with 20 something Chrome tabs still open in the background while simultaneously streaming music for my wife to listen to. I couldn't do that with Win7... and definitely not with Win8 either... all of which would seem to suggest that Win10s resource management is rather robust and most likely an advancement on what MS came up with years ago. Also... when taking a break I simply close the lid of my machine and flip it back up when ready and it bursts back into life within seconds. Try that with Win7.

    Lastly... there's nothing really new to learn with the UI either. It's a step back from the touch screen centric approach of Win8 and far more like Win7 with the added bonus of additional social media-esque features there if you CHOOSE to use them.
    It is good Win 10 does what want, It certainly runs Matlab slower than W7 for me. Especially when doing waveform analysis.

    You must be young and one of those people who can have a dozen conversations simultaneously and not miss a word.

    Because 20 tabs open at once would not happen and would be an absurdity for me to use.

    Enjoy Win 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrm View Post
    It is good Win 10 does what want, It certainly runs Matlab slower than W7 for me. Especially when doing waveform analysis.

    You must be young and one of those people who can have a dozen conversations simultaneously and not miss a word.

    Because 20 tabs open at once would not happen and would be an absurdity for me to use.

    Enjoy Win 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    I'm 51
    You are a spring chicken, I'm 63
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    Surely that would have been LXIII when you were born?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Surely that would have been LXIII when you were born?
    Actually it's LXII.

    Yes, I'm still in last year and my birthday hasn't "passed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrm View Post
    So true JP, an un-intentional subtraction error when calculating decades. During the 70's we were using the DOS series of OSs and running in a text based environment.

    Although a few of us may have been using IBM PS/2 and later OS/2 (1987)
    When I got Windows 1.0 it was a tossup between Win 1.0 versus DESQView with DOS.
    I still have my Win 1.0 install floppies. There were 7 x 3.5 inch disks.

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    Last edited by speleomike; 18th January 2016 at 11:07 PM. Reason: Found old disks and counted them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrm View Post
    Actually it's LXII.

    Yes, I'm still in last year and my birthday hasn't "passed".
    'When I get older, losing my hair......' not too far away I guess that's owned by Apple Music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speleomike View Post
    When I got Windows 1.0 it was had tossup between Win 1.0 versus DESQView with DOS.
    I still have my Win 1.0 install floppies somewhere, I think there are about 8.

    Mike
    WFW (3.11) was 11 or 12 1.44 floppies. I can't remember much further back. except for DOS 6.22 and the compatibility issues with DOS 5.0.

    OS/2.1 was so far ahead of it's time, especially OS/2 Warp. But M$ won the race because IBM decided the "personal computer" market wasn't worth entering. And the M$ /IBM joint development fell part. I've lost one of my 6.22 floppies.

    All part of ancient history. And many would say irrelevant today.

    Cheers

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    For those who value their privacy, both Win 7/8 and Win 10 64 bit have a way to prevent the "call home to mama constantly" feature. The little add-ins also do a whole batch of other useful stuff.

    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...r-4-windows-10
    Ultimate Windows Tweaker 3 for Windows 8
    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultima...indows-7-vista

    probably the best win add ins I know. Ghostery and ad-block+ then sort out most of the browser spying & tracking issues.

    TampIt
    PS: Irrelevant tech history. I am 62, and I started my IBM compatible story with a PC (i.e. the three slot one, early 1981?) followed by a PC Model Two (the five slot one) and then an XT (the eight slot one: early 1983 by then). The first one ran PC-Dos Version 1.0 (I still possibly have the disks somewhere) whilst the "new" XT ran PC-Dos 2.2. As usual, Java "TANSTAAFL" phile is correct: my Windows version one betas are dated 1984 (hard to forget, think Orwell). The final Win 1.0 release was a year or so later and still needed every bit of my 4Mb expanded memory card (in the XT) to sort of work at a snail's pace (badly - it still crashed quite a lot). I upgraded to an AT at about the same time the second beta was released (still '84). No way was it free - the hardware hit was very expensive at the time... Considering my current machine has 32Gb of RAM and an 8 core processor running at nearly 1000x the old XT's 4.77Mhz (a figure all us old techies will have embedded in our brains forever), hardware sure has come a long way over the years.

    OS/2: IBM was up to its neck in an anti-trust lawsuit at the time and really had to let OS/2 lapse as a strategy to head off the worst of the fallout. They still had to split up a lot of their operations (e.g. Lexmark). They believed (as did guys like me at the time) that the Windows registry was such a mess it could not last over the long term. OS/2 used a proper data dictionary from day one. Apart from the best spaghetti coding that India can provide, the registry is still windows worst feature IMO.

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    ... and there are multiple copies of the registry on Windows because its unreliable.
    I think one of the worst aspects of Windows development is that the user interface keeps changing.
    Then there is the problem that compared to any other OS it's slow and uses so much RAM.

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    Agree about the UI. But Windows 7/8/10 X64 certainly isn't "slow" when run on premium hardware.

    Everyone tells me how unreliable windows is. Bit I've never had a stability nor reliability issue after Win 2000 came on the market.
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    Well, I decided to give Win10Pro a run on my Win8.1 box....

    Upgrade process went smoothly, no issues experienced. Once installed it was pretty simple to set everything up the way I want it to work and in the end, I can't really find any negatives. I'm using the Desktop interface that very closely replicates what you expect to find as a Win7 user and is very easy to navigate one's way around. All my applications work without hiccups so, all in all, no complaints at this stage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Well, I decided to give Win10Pro a run on my Win8.1 box....

    Upgrade process went smoothly, no issues experienced. Once installed it was pretty simple to set everything up the way I want it to work and in the end, I can't really find any negatives. I'm using the Desktop interface that very closely replicates what you expect to find as a Win7 user and is very easy to navigate one's way around. All my applications work without hiccups so, all in all, no complaints at this stage...

    Mal.
    Windows 7 is MS's best release. Win 8.x was a mistake though some liked it. Win 10 is a worthwhile upgrade if you don't mind that things aren't where they used to be. My 4 year old laptop starts up and runs faster under Win 10 than it did under Win 7. I also found Office 13 loads and runs faster under Win 10 than under Win 7.

    Then there is the problem that compared to any other OS it's slow and uses so much RAM
    It's certainly the case but MS has slowly addressed that. I've used various Linux distros, MAC OS X (and older Mac OS versions) and nearly all Windows since version 3.0 and each has its good and bad points. MS has made the mistake of putting out buggy versions and continually having to patch them, but so has Apple and Linux.

    There are plenty of Windows haters but in the end, it isn't a competition, it's a preference. I've been using Mac OSs longer than Microsoft ones but my next computer will still be Windows based. I appreciate the advantages of other OSs.

    Perhaps eventually, all computers will be running on mobile OSs like iOS, Android. Indeed, Win 10 is built to run on Windows based portable devices as well as desktop and laptop devices.
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