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Thread: I might be buying a new car in 6 to 12 months. Hyundai or Toyota?

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    I might be buying a new car in 6 to 12 months. Hyundai or Toyota?

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    I've been driving a Hyundai Accent for 14 years now. I've read Hyundai have improved a lot since I bought mine but I still can't forget the 4 or so times I had to take it back under warranty. I found this link at Consumer Reports in the US, regarding car reliability.

    Highlights From Consumer Reports' 2015 Annual Auto Reliability Survey - Consumer Reports

    It shows Toyota as being way above Hyundai for reliability.

    I've been told I should look at a Toyota Yaris for my next car, instead of either a Hyundai 130 or Elantra. Although if my budget allows it I could be tempted by a Toyota Corolla. I am about 180cm (about 6 foot) tall, so a bigger car would be nice.

    What do people here think about reliability and customer service for Hyundai vs Toyota? I'm looking at buying new instead of used.

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    Mazda 3.

    im a die hard Toyota man.


    Mazda 3.

    check out John Cadogan's site, see what he has to say. Test drive a Corolla then immediately go down and test drive the 3.

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    I drive a 2006 mazda 3 mps, its a great car.

    The new mazda 3 looks great and whilst i haven't driven one, i have heard from many owners that they are good cars.

    Alternatively, have you considered a Nissan GT-R? It's a little more expensive than your other options but I think it would be worth it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    Mazda 3.

    im a die hard Toyota man.


    Mazda 3.

    check out John Cadogan's site, see what he has to say. Test drive a Corolla then immediately go down and test drive the 3.
    I've already checked out John Cadogan's videos. I feel put off by Mazda's iStop and space saver spare tyre, even John Cadogan is critical of those.

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    Cant comment on Toyota Pamount, however my wife is on her third Hyundai, first was a SH Excel, she is now on her second I30, never had a problem with any of them, the service has been excellent, her current I30 is about 6 months old, great car, terrific dealer service.

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    Pop your head in the door and check if it has cup holders. If it does you're good to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    I've already checked out John Cadogan's videos. I feel put off by Mazda's iStop and space saver spare tyre, even John Cadogan is critical of those.
    You can turn off iStop. I just bought a CX-9, and found during my test drive tha the iStop was slightly annoying. Particularly when pulling out into traffic.

    Not fussed about the space saver tyre really. I think I've had 2 flats in the past 15 yrs...

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    Both my sisters have i30. Very happy with.
    My parents also very happy with yaris til they crashed it 2 nights ago .

    They're okay. But we're lucky they don't make 'em like they used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    Both my sisters have i30. Very happy with.
    My parents also very happy with yaris til they crashed it 2 nights ago .

    They're okay. But we're lucky they don't make 'em like they used to.
    I'm glad they're okay.

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    Thanks mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    You can turn off iStop. I just bought a CX-9, and found during my test drive tha the iStop was slightly annoying. Particularly when pulling out into traffic.

    Not fussed about the space saver tyre really. I think I've had 2 flats in the past 15 yrs...

    Very annoying of Mazda to have that setting because everytime you turn the car off it goes back to Istop as a default.

    space saver doesn't worry me either.

    i test drove the Astina it's got the 2.5 donk and all the bells and whistles.....the only thing it can't do is make espresso

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    My vote - if you are doing high Kms or gravel roads - i30 manual diesel (ensure you try a Yaris on rough gravel - "interesting handling"). The i30 manual runs on fumes (one friend does two 550Km trips plus a week or two running around per fill - Perth to Kalgoorlie and return), it handles well and predictably on most surfaces, no space saver spare (unless the latest version screwed that up) and more compartments than most owners will find in their first year with it. Top of my own list if my old Merc goes terminal.

    Mazda - if the 3 is half as annoying as the latest 6 then avoid like the plague or wear industrial earmuffs. Every second lunch the 4 of us seem to end up in the bloody thing and it has become a standing joke. Permanently nicknamed "the nag" after the backup computer personality in Hitchhikers Guide. The one gravel foray cemented it forever as last choice - drunken and dangerous - and that was before lunch (not that the driver ever drinks).

    FYI the other choices - Subaru Impreza (great car - add to your list if it suits), Merc 450 SEL lightweight sports version (mine, never for sale although thirsty), Toyota Camry and 2012 i30.

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    FWIW, regarding "rough gravel" driving I've done horrible things to both a Yaris (manual petrol) and a Hyundai i20 (auto) on logging roads in Tassie, they're both reasonably capable, the only issue I had was some ground clearance on a particularly rutted road with the Yaris (but you've kinda gotta expect that driving a hatch on a logging trail), and the Traction Control on the i20, (The place I stay at in Tassie has a REALLY steep hill on the way in it's probably ~35+ degrees, coming down it you feel like you're driving off a cliff. First time I hit it with the i20 the traction control kicked in a third of the way up, then I found the button to turn it off.)

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    Skoda Fabia?

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    I personally would buy a Kia.
    Basically a Hyundai with a different shell, in other words well built. Fairly nice to look at too.
    Just can't go past their 7 year warranty.

    One can always get a lemon, but with a 7 year warranty you have more piece of mind.

    Love to see a German /Japanese manufacturer stand by their car as Kia does.

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    toyota every day of the week.

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    You could always go for the last of the line Vauxhall VXR8 Maloo ute.


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    Is it worth looking at a Corolla Hybrid? Would Hybrids cost more to service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Is it worth looking at a Corolla Hybrid? Would Hybrids cost more to service?
    I think the very presence of the word "Hybrid" pretty well guarantees this...
    No reason why it should from a technical/mechanical standpoint, but the marketing/sales guys will probably emphasise the so-called "extra complexity" of the vehicle to enhance their earnings from a maintenance perspective...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Is it worth looking at a Corolla Hybrid? Would Hybrids cost more to service?
    Email them and ask for the service costs of the hybrid and non hybrid models for the first 100 or 200000kms.
    Most have fixed price servicing now and prices are on their websites.
    I would expect a hybrid to be more expensive as they are more complex. You do the full mechanical service then add on the hybrid parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    I would expect a hybrid to be more expensive as they are more complex.
    They are in fact NOT more complex....

    The technology being used in Hybrid cars, and full electric cars for that matter, has been around in one form or another for close on to a century.
    The use of digital systems to do the same job of decades of analogue design engineering, has simplified what is required to an extraordinary degree.

    I guess that none of this matters when marketing bods get in on the act. There is practically nothing to wear out on the electrical side of things so maintenance in reality, should be minimal. More than 95% of the time, the only work required is verifying operational settings and that no connections have come loose.

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    Of course it's more complex. You have added the hybrid part to the standard petrol driven part. There is more to check in the service so unless there is a big saving in fluids cost the labour component will be higher and the service will be more expensive.

    You've even pointed out the extra work that may be required.

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    You've "cherry-picked" points and missed out others to suit your own argument mate...
    Each to their own.

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    All you will get here is opinions and the only one that counts is yours.
    There is no easy way to do it.
    You need to do your research on the net for each of the contenders. Often price and standard equipment differences eliminate one or more of the contenders which makes it easy.
    When you have your short-list, go and drive them. That tends to be a clincher. By then you should have a good idea what to pay for the various models.
    Good luck.

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    Interesting - thought I'd do a quick internet search for comparison service costs for a Hybrid Vs Petrol only
    From Toyota Logbook service schedule:

    Toyota Camry Altise Sedan (A) VS Toyota Camry Hybrid Altise Sedan (B)

    A B
    9 Months $236 $223
    18 Months $391 $378
    27 Months $282 $271
    36 Months $391 $378
    45 Months $236 $223

    Not definitive obviously but adds some weight to the NOT more complex argument.
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    I think everones getting hung up over the use of the phrase "more complex". Of course it's more complex I don't see how you can argue otherwise, whether or not it makes it more expensive to service is a different question.

    Liquids are the big cost in servicing. The new oils are very expensive so if you have a smaller motor that could offset the extra labour required to check the hybrid system.

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    The ongoing development of the 'Hybrid' vehicle is a source of interest to me due to the rapid developments in battery life, size and capacity. We have a long way to go yet before I would consider them 'practical'.
    Companies like Tesla have captured the imagination of the public in the US and the waiting lists are huge. A number of folks on another of my Forums have them and think they are great - even now.
    Being both 'old' and a lifelong car-nut, I have some difficulty coming to terms with the idea of two power sources in the vehicle and the limited range but I guess that will be solved sooner than we think, and maybe if the whole car is one big solar cell, the battery-pack the size of a lunch-box, a petrol motor the size of a motor-mower, and an unlimited range, then I could be a convert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    The ongoing development of the 'Hybrid' vehicle is a source of interest to me due to the rapid developments in battery life, size and capacity. We have a long way to go yet before I would consider them 'practical'.
    Companies like Tesla have captured the imagination of the public in the US and the waiting lists are huge. A number of folks on another of my Forums have them and think they are great - even now.
    Being both 'old' and a lifelong car-nut, I have some difficulty coming to terms with the idea of two power sources in the vehicle and the limited range but I guess that will be solved sooner than we think, and maybe if the whole car is one big solar cell, the battery-pack the size of a lunch-box, a petrol motor the size of a motor-mower, and an unlimited range, then I could be a convert.
    Thanks for that. That's interesting what you say.

    I guess I could talk to my mechanic when it comes closer to the time I buy a new car.



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