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Thread: Aussie's sprung ball tampering.

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    Aussie's sprung ball tampering.

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    This has to be one of the low points of Australian international cricket.

    If Smith had a shred of decency he would have resigned on the spot.

    Australian cricketer Cameron Bancroft charged with ball tampering as Steve Smith admits he helped hatch the plan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    This has to be one of the low points of Australian international cricket.
    If Smith had a shred of decency he would have resigned on the spot.
    Spot on Yelta.

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    I had to check the date this morning, thought this was a joke and it was April Fools Day.
    Sadly no, what a disgraceful day for Australian cricket
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    Not that this excuses such a foolish action but the South Africans have been caught out three times for ball tampering (such as Faf du Plessis and the mint).

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    Devastated to hear that news. The leadership team responsible must go. Some may feel sorry for Bancroft but he had a choice and chose to do the wrong thing. Get rid of the bad eggs.
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    As Flynn says, this is hardly a 'first' for Cricket, but it may well be the first time that the Captain and the "senior executive group" have admitted to planning such a gambit.
    It is utterly beyond my imagination that senior players could have thought this was acceptable. Were they all drunk?
    I cannot see how Steve Smith can remain as Captain or Dave Warner as VC. They should consider themselves lucky if they are allowed to remain in the Team.
    They have brought disgrace upon all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I cannot see how Steve Smith can remain as Captain or Dave Warner as VC. They should consider themselves lucky if they are allowed to remain in the Team.
    They have brought disgrace upon all of us.
    I predict that Bancroft will be banned for a few matches but Smith and anyone else in the leadership or coaching team involved in this deplorable decision will banned for up to year. Smith should have stood aside straight away as his reputation has probably been irreparably damaged but I guess we should wait for the oucome of the investigation.

    BREAKING NEWS: Smith and Warner have stepped down from their leadrship roles.
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    Aussie's sprung ball tampering.

    “Steve Smith and David Warner have stood down as captain and vice-captain for the remainder of the third Test in Cape Town.”

    ABC - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-2...f-test/9585260

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    I thought this was a thread about a tamper, with some clicker mechanism using a ball and spring. Made by some Australians.....
    Was interested until i found it wasnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
    I thought this was a thread about a tamper, with some clicker mechanism using a ball and spring. Made by some Australian.
    As featured recently at MICE. The “clacker” is a new tamper approved and sponsored by the Australian Cricket Board.

    Official tamper of the Australian Test tour...
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    ... only three really low points in cricket over the last hundred years or so.
    English bodyliners (1930's) - if I had been the Oz team I would have responded in kind and watch it get banned before the second test started.
    Greg Chappel's underarm instruction to his little brother. I reckon the umpires should have called it a no ball (if possible) and forced another ball anyway. Bad as the pom's effort.
    This one - coming from the top management team (except Boof, evidently - who would have gone ballistic) is reprehensible.

    The sub-continent teams ball tampering over the years seems to be more cultural and driven by individual bowlers - and should also be a clear no-no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    ... only three really low points in cricket over the last hundred years
    Only three? What about the various match fixing incidents including Hansie Cronje? The under arm bowling wasn't against the rules of the day so couldn't be no balled but I agree with your assessment as a low point. Similarly, body line wasn't against the rules or the umpires would have called it. But it does go to show the desperation that captains can yield to, putting the need to win above sportsmanship.

    Some more controversies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate..._controversies
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    When we consider that Cricket Australia is run by a bloke who was CFO of Carlton at the time they rorted the salary cap in the 90s, I guess it shouldn't come as a huge surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    When we consider that Cricket Australia is run by a bloke who was CFO of Carlton at the time they rorted the salary cap in the 90s, I guess it shouldn't come as a huge surprise.
    Good point. Was there any pressure from above to win at all costs.

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    Howdy Yelta,

    Declaration...I'm an unqualified, armchair, fairweather Aussie cricket fan...But I do like to see Australia win...

    There are other countries and cricketers from those countries which after due process have been found guilty of ball tampering and penalties were handed out..If the Ausies concerned are found guilty after due process then the same penalties should apply IMO....

    Back home, it will be interesting to see what the Australian Cricket Board do and what penalties they will hand out to their cricketers if found guilty....

    Regardless of what body does what, Australia can no longer set the bar high when talking about cheating and the like...And that's a shame IMHO...

    Now there are calls for Boof to resign...I say fair enough call if he knew what they were doing and I suspect he did not know because if he did he would of stopped it (my thoughts only) but it is an unfair call to expect him to resign if he did not know anything...

    Cheers.

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    One would have to ask the seemingly obvious question. Is this the price for the professionalisation of the game. Huge contracts for playing a game ... yes folks a game. Irrespective of the win or loss they get paid and paid more than most brain surgeons. Go figure that out and then start the consistent, blame shifting, victim stancing, attitudes that the good public are paying for.

    Oh please .... because someone else did it then we aren't so bad .... 'cause everyone else did it. Ask Lance Armstrong. 2.5 cents worth and that is goof value ... I had a laugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    I predict that Bancroft will be banned for a few matches but Smith and anyone else in the leadership or coaching team involved in this deplorable decision will banned for up to year.
    Bancroft 9 mths, Smith and Warner 12. The hardest thing for them to overcome is the damage to their reputation but they are quality players.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...28-p4z6s7.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy View Post
    Howdy Yelta,

    Declaration...I'm an unqualified, armchair, fairweather Aussie cricket fan...But I do like to see Australia win...

    There are other countries and cricketers from those countries which after due process have been found guilty of ball tampering and penalties were handed out..If the Ausies concerned are found guilty after due process then the same penalties should apply IMO....
    If we applied those penalties they would be playing next week. Du Plessis (the SA captain) has been twice found guilty of ball tampering, and has missed a grand total of about one match for it. Neither the ICC, nor any national cricket board has taken a significant stand in the past. Ask Waqar Younis.

    A significant penalty is deserved and has been applied.

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    After seeing and hearing about the ball tampering, which is cheating, and what should happen to them.
    These grubs should be treated like drug cheats, in most sports it's a 4 year ban!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topshot View Post
    After seeing and hearing about the ball tampering, which is cheating, and what should happen to them.
    These grubs should be treated like drug cheats, in most sports it's a 4 year ban!
    Yeh, I'm not sure it is exactly on all fours with an athlete making a considered decision to take performance enhancing drugs, and I don't see too many copping a 4 year suspension in practice. It is certainly not right, and deserves a significant penalty (I think they've got it about right), but people have been defacing cricket balls for many years, and until now the worst suspension for those has been 1 or 2 games. The difference here is that the culprits admitted to doing it. Those who simply say 'I didn't mean to do that' or similar get basically nothing. Nobody in their right mind in future will fess up. They'll tell the same porkies and cop a slap over the wrist with a wet newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Yeh, I'm not sure it is exactly on all fours with an athlete making a considered decision to take performance enhancing drugs, and I don't see too many copping a 4 year suspension in practice. It is certainly not right, and deserves a significant penalty (I think they've got it about right), but people have been defacing cricket balls for many years, and until now the worst suspension for those has been 1 or 2 games. The difference here is that the culprits admitted to doing it. Those who simply say 'I didn't mean to do that' or similar get basically nothing. Nobody in their right mind in future will fess up. They'll tell the same porkies and cop a slap over the wrist with a wet newspaper.
    Consistency for the crime is important IMO, I agree the penalty seems about right on the international scene, maybe somewhat harsh for Bancroft...It does seem to be unfair that this is the highest penalty handed out for ball tampering and the others only got a slap on the wrist...

    I'll now watch with interest to see if Australia has the balls to hand out harsher penalties for them seeming they have now tarnished Australia's impeccable record bringing Australian cricket into disrepute...

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy View Post
    I'll now watch with interest to see if Australia has the balls to hand out harsher penalties for them seeming they have now tarnished Australia's impeccable record bringing Australian cricket into disrepute...
    That did happen. ICC handed out one or two match bans. CA suspended Smith and Warner for a year and they have forbidden from taking part in the lucrative Indian tournament, costing them several million bucks.
    The players involved have been heavily punished and I doubt that they will do it again. Time to let it blow over and give the players a chance to serve their time and be forgiven and return to being strong contributors to our national team.
    Perhaps introduce rules to limit the opportunity like returning the ball to the umpire between overs.
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    Yes, very embarrassing... but when it comes to how low can you go my "favorite" in sports has got to be this one - 19 seconds of extremely embarrassing human behavior:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7RPnWRkIE

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    Aussie's sprung ball tampering.

    Quote Originally Posted by knastoer View Post
    ...when it comes to how low can you go my "favorite" in sports has got to be this one - 19 seconds of extremely embarrassing human behavior
    In my medically uneducated opinion both the trainer and player are suffering from a bad case of feinting goat syndrome 🤣

    Exhibit A

    https://youtu.be/YI4hzzepEcI
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