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    OLED Tv issues - useful reference article

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    Came across a decent reference article I thought was worth sharing while going through the excercise of OLED v Qled Tv. There's lots of info online regarding OLED permanent image burn-in and firmware updates than dim screens after 1 min if static images are detected. The article linked below gives a decent overview and is a good start for researching the issues if you're considering an OLED Tv.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#2b34bf94363d
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Came across a decent reference article I thought was worth sharing while going through the excercise of OLED v Qled Tv. There's lots of info online regarding OLED permanent image burn-in and firmware updates than dim screens after 1 min if static images are detected. The article linked below gives a decent overview and is a good start for researching the issues if you're considering an OLED Tv.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#2b34bf94363d
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    Seems to be a problem with the link, the article flashes up briefly then closes, posting the URL in the address bar brings up "page not found"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Seems to be a problem with the link, the article flashes up briefly then closes, posting the URL in the address bar brings up "page not found"
    Link works for me (using Chrome on an Android tablet)

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    Worked for me, Chrome on a Windows7 PC. A good read. 8k TVs are now being shown at CES in Las Vegas along with AI everything, including Cheese makers.

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    Problem my end, my ad blocker was nuking it, disabled, all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Worked for me, Chrome on a Windows7 PC. A good read. 8k TVs are now being shown at CES in Las Vegas along with AI everything, including Cheese makers.
    Oh yeay - a new standard to adopt before the old ones are fully adopted...

    Coming from an ISF/THX certified AV/automation business owner.

    OLED is great, so long as you don't play games with static images, or watch Fox 8 all day long.

    Oh, don't ever buy a curved screen, unless you like sitting in one very specific spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    .......OLED is great, so long as you don't play games with static images, or watch Fox 8 all day long....
    .....or use it like the main TV in the house is normally used. (watching broadcast news with the breaking news banners at the bottom of screen, using the on-screen TV guide, watching movies with non 16:9 ratio and black bars top and bottom etc.) OLED might be great if you can afford a dedicated theatre room but I think I'll wait to see where microLED technology goes this year. Reading through Sony's recommendations for use to avoid OLED burn-in issues says it all for me.

    OLED TVs are usually the most expensive models in each manufacturer's range yet are very reminiscent of early plasma screens with their burn-in issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    .....or use it like the main TV in the house is normally used. (watching broadcast news with the breaking news banners at the bottom of screen, using the on-screen TV guide, watching movies with non 16:9 ratio and black bars top and bottom etc.) OLED might be great if you can afford a dedicated theatre room but I think I'll wait to see where microLED technology goes this year. Reading through Sony's recommendations for use to avoid OLED burn-in issues says it all for me.

    OLED TVs are usually the most expensive models in each manufacturer's range yet are very reminiscent of early plasma screens with their burn-in issues.
    Two major differences between plasma and OLED - the plasma TVs make a truly great room heater well before they blow. The OLEDs don't tend to blow and their power consumption is generally pretty low (compared to plasma anyway). One friends large lounge in the Colorado Rockies picked up a 4 degree Celsius temp boost after 5 hours of plasma TV watching just after sunset. Impressive in winter there, not so good in summer in Oz...

    My "smartphone" (top oxymoron of last year) has an OLED screen and it has no sign of burn-in after a couple of years of use. It is also by far the brightest, blackest and clearest screen I have owned so far - to the extent that I will probably buy a good OLED for home theatre when the prices come down. Like all new tech it may have a few side effects until it is either sorted or replaced by better tech. The U-LED and Q-LED technology are not even close in terms of viewing. You pays yer muny and yer takes yer choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    .....or use it like the main TV in the house is normally used. (watching broadcast news with the breaking news banners at the bottom of screen, using the on-screen TV guide, watching movies with non 16:9 ratio and black bars top and bottom etc.) OLED might be great if you can afford a dedicated theatre room but I think I'll wait to see where microLED technology goes this year. Reading through Sony's recommendations for use to avoid OLED burn-in issues says it all for me.

    OLED TVs are usually the most expensive models in each manufacturer's range yet are very reminiscent of early plasma screens with their burn-in issues.
    I've got 5 Sony A1 installs out in the field - all used like regular TV's and no burn in issues. It would not surprise me, though, if some panels were more susceptible than others (even within a single model), this was something I did feel may have been something back in the plasma TV days. I still have a couple of clients with Pioneer Kuro TV's, which, I feel, have only been bettered by OLED tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    I've got 5 Sony A1 installs out in the field - all used like regular TV's and no burn in issues...
    Sony released a firmware update in September last year which created significant dimming issues for A1 and A8F owners. It masqueraded as a Dolby Vision update but created aggresive dimming when static images were detected on screen such as in news or sports broadcasts and games also. Googling Sony OLED dimming issues will show the large number of very unhappy owners who paid thousands for these sets . Many were happy until the firmware update but Sony is even trying to deny the issue and call it "normal" for the OLED sets. To add insult to injury the Dolby Vision update was sub-standard also.

    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Two major differences between plasma and OLED - the plasma TVs make a truly great room heater well before they blow. The OLEDs don't tend to blow and their power consumption is generally pretty low (compared to plasma anyway).
    My Panasonic V series Plasma has had heavy use for 8-9 years and is still going strong having had surge protection from new. Its power usage is in the same range as OLEDs of a similar size although my previous Panasonic G series used twice the power. It does heat-up in summer but does reduce heating bills in winter. I learnt years ago that buying a higher end model from a name brand will end up cheaper in the long run. Running Netflix movies through a Panasonic DMR-BWT955GL to my V series plasma gives a great picture in 1080p 60Hz (noticably better than 50Hz). HD Blu-rays through my Pioneer player are also very impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Sony released a firmware update in September last year which created significant dimming issues for A1 and A8F owners. It masqueraded as a Dolby Vision update but created aggresive dimming when static images were detected on screen such as in news or sports broadcasts and games also. Googling Sony OLED dimming issues will show the large number of very unhappy owners who paid thousands for these sets . Many were happy until the firmware update but Sony is even trying to deny the issue and call it "normal" for the OLED sets. To add insult to injury the Dolby Vision update was sub-standard also.
    I disable all updates - they tend to break connections with automation systems, chances are, none of the TV's I installed are running that firmware - good to know though, I'll be doing a bit of research on this before I quote any more of them.

    Having said that - Sony are hardly the only ones with the annoying auto-dim features. I've got an ever growing list of TV's I won't touch due to not being able to turn off "dynamic contrast", and don't get me started on micro dimming - because nothing is more awesome than a hand sized halo around a few white pixels on a black background...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Having said that - Sony are hardly the only ones with the annoying auto-dim features. I've got an ever growing list of TV's I won't touch due to not being able to turn off "dynamic contrast", and don't get me started on micro dimming - because nothing is more awesome than a hand sized halo around a few white pixels on a black background...
    LG also introduced the annoying over-zealous auto-dimming feature in firmware updates for their OLED Tvs. They manufacture the OLED panels that everyone uses so if they can't find a better solution to the burn-in issue that is inherent in OLED Tvs, then it seems the benefits that OLED offers can only be fully enjoyed by those using them in a very specific manner. The fact that Sony was dumping a load of AF8 OLEDs at around half price on their own website during Boxing Day sales seemed to send a signal. Once the word got out about the A1/A8F firmware update causing aggressive dimming issues to avoid burn-in and Sony calling this "normal", these models were all but dead on the market for anyone who did a bit of research before buying.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/is-ole...-burning-down/

    https://www.oled-info.com/lg-oled
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    LG also introduced the annoying over-zealous auto-dimming feature in firmware updates for their OLED Tvs. They manufacture the OLED panels that everyone uses so if they can't find a better solution to the burn-in issue that is inherent in OLED Tvs, then it seems the benefits that OLED offers can only be fully enjoyed by those using them in a very specific manner. The fact that Sony was dumping a load of AF8 OLEDs at around half price on their own website during Boxing Day sales seemed to send a signal. Once the word got out about the A1/A8F firmware update causing aggressive dimming issues to avoid burn-in and Sony calling this "normal", these models were all but dead on the market for anyone who did a bit of research before buying.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/is-ole...-burning-down/

    https://www.oled-info.com/lg-oled
    Very handy info.

    Samsung are allegedly working on some now form of OLED tech - though most likely for mobile (flexible and also transparent versions).

    Their new micro LED tech may be the best bet for TV, with effectively 4k worth of individual LED chips, which would mean you could get true blacks by turning off the individual "pixels". I know they had a demo at CES last year, and they have a 75" on display at CES this year, but it's been a long time since I could justify turning up to all the trade shows. It probably won't be super slim unless it's built into the wall, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Their new micro LED tech may be the best bet for TV, with effectively 4k worth of individual LED chips, which would mean you could get true blacks by turning off the individual "pixels". I know they had a demo at CES last year, and they have a 75" on display at CES this year, but it's been a long time since I could justify turning up to all the trade shows. It probably won't be super slim unless it's built into the wall, though.
    Seems like the big name manufacturers will persist with OLED for 2019 except for Samsung, who still has QLED but will probably have a couple of expensive larger MicroLED screens for sale also. Seems like 2020 for consumer size MicroLED.

    There seems to also be some movement in MiniLED backlighting for the LCD/LED sector. This will seek to resolve the issue of "Blooming" in this type of TV due to the current backlighting technology which divides the screen into a grid with rectangular lit zones that can bleed light into adjoining zones, causing blooming. MiniLED is touted as giving more precise control of backlighting of LCD screens resulting in better picture quality. This tier which sits below OLED in terms of price/affordability would see the picture quality gap narrowing if MiniLED backlighting is introduced.

    TVs supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are becoming the desired standard for high end sets. OLED with its limited ability to achieve the required contrast range without burn-in doesn't do justice to either of these HDR standards when auto dimming is introduced. Samsungs QLED achieves a greater contrast range but does still have a slight issue with blooming and doesn't quite reach the motion handling or upscaling quality of Sony.

    Bottom line is that currently each technology has its strengths and weaknesses but I wouldn't be dropping thousands on an OLED that is purposely dimmed to avoid burn-in, losing its appeal as a HDR 4k set in my book. I'll be waiting until next year I think before looking at an upgrade. 8k is also on its way as well as HDMI 2.1 so for future proofing at the high end of the market, waiting for these to be widely implemented could be worthwhile.
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    Like you CafeLotta, I will be waiting. Unfortunately the Q-LEDs are nowhere in terms of contrast compared to the OLEDs this week... My 65" LED is barely worse than a Q-LED at 25% of the price - it is still pretty impressive at 4K / HDR until you look at the same movie on a mates OLED (sigh). The excellent is the enemy of the good...

    The article also points out their are actually two different OLED technologies. My phone is the tech LG is NOT using, so I may have to wait for that tech to migrate to larger sizes. Self evidently, my rarely used phone has an almost identical display 90+% of the time it is on - it has no sign of burning in (yet) and is still way, way better than the three upmarket 27" IPS screens I am looking at whilst typing this.

    Enjoy your TV, whatever it may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Seems like the big name manufacturers will persist with OLED for 2019 except for Samsung, who still has QLED but will probably have a couple of expensive larger MicroLED screens for sale also. Seems like 2020 for consumer size MicroLED.

    There seems to also be some movement in MiniLED backlighting for the LCD/LED sector. This will seek to resolve the issue of "Blooming" in this type of TV due to the current backlighting technology which divides the screen into a grid with rectangular lit zones that can bleed light into adjoining zones, causing blooming. MiniLED is touted as giving more precise control of backlighting of LCD screens resulting in better picture quality. This tier which sits below OLED in terms of price/affordability would see the picture quality gap narrowing if MiniLED backlighting is introduced.

    TVs supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are becoming the desired standard for high end sets. OLED with its limited ability to achieve the required contrast range without burn-in doesn't do justice to either of these HDR standards when auto dimming is introduced. Samsungs QLED achieves a greater contrast range but does still have a slight issue with blooming and doesn't quite reach the motion handling or upscaling quality of Sony.

    Bottom line is that currently each technology has its strengths and weaknesses but I wouldn't be dropping thousands on an OLED that is purposely dimmed to avoid burn-in, losing its appeal as a HDR 4k set in my book. I'll be waiting until next year I think before looking at an upgrade. 8k is also on its way as well as HDMI 2.1 so for future proofing at the high end of the market, waiting for these to be widely implemented could be worthwhile.
    There is also the dual screen LCD tech (forgot what it was called) that Hisense has - a 1080P panel behind a 4k panel. the 1080P greyscale only, so helps controls the blacks, and, in theory, keeps the bloom down to 3 out of 4 pixels. A 4k x 4k version is clearly next...

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    On a side note - self installed IQ4 on Monday (10mins for the swap and 1hour pfaffing to get 4k honored) and got to watch my first available 4k broadcast of yesterdays ODI on a Sony 75" LCD - WOW - just wow. No I do not work for Foxtel or Sony. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    My Panasonic V series Plasma has had heavy use for 8-9 years and is still going strong having had surge protection from new. Its power usage is in the same range as OLEDs of a similar size although my previous Panasonic G series used twice the power.
    Need to make a small correction re: power usage of OLED v Plasma. As a direct comparison between Panasonic Tv sets using "normal" mode, my 50" V series plasma is quoted at 154W and a 55" FZ series OLED at 119W, roughly 30% less. In my case I would also save power with an OLED by not having to use my PVR (31W in normal mode) to access online content. Overall 55% power saving when streaming online content as best as I can tell (No info if WiFi is always on in the OLED Tv.)

    It seems likely that it will be at least 2 years before domestic MicroLED Tvs will be available at a reasonable price and the likely bugs sorted out. All the current higher end TVs seem to have their strengths and weaknesses so after deciding what is most important for me now, I have to confess to buying a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 OLED. On a killer special ($2500) of about 60% the price of a Samsung Q9 QLED and Sony A9F, to me it seems the best option currently, even without Dolby Vision support. Panasonic doesn't seem to have anywhere near the complaints of Sony and LG with dimming or burn-in but no doubt would also be suseptible. Wouldn't recommend paying anywhere near full price for an OLED currently but there's likely to be continued heavy discounting through out the year.

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    For anyone else going through the process of OLED or not and Panasonic v Sony v LG, this UK review swayed me in the end -
    https://www.avforums.com/review/pana...0-review.14474

    In the UK and Europe, the 55" & 65" Panasonic FZ1000 Tvs are known as FZ952/FZ950 which is confusing as here in Australia, the model below the FZ1000 is known as the FZ950. It doesn't have the Technics soundblade or better remotes which its namesake in the UK/Europe has and is known as the FZ802/FZ800 over there.
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    Good Buy!

    Luckily I am not in the market yet, however the next TV will be a 75" - if I can get one for $2500, consider it bought on sight...


    Enjoy your cuppa with a good movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Good Buy!

    Luckily I am not in the market yet, however the next TV will be a 75" - if I can get one for $2500, consider it bought on sight...


    Enjoy your cuppa with a good movie.

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    I held off - for ages - upgrading my screen and was very tempted by the OLEDs if not for all the reasons mentioned above by CL I would have got one. Came across a 2017 75" 4k Sony that with all the discounts offered was retailing for $2,200 (originally 4,799) - just could not resist at that price and have no regrets. Less than 75" I now consider as a portable ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Less than 75" I now consider as a portable ;-)
    Viewing distance v resolution is an interesting thing to contemplate. 55", 65" and 75" 4k Ultra HD Tvs all have the same resolution of 3840x2160 and there are recommendations for the ideal viewing distance of each. Personally, not having the issue of sitting a great distance from the TV, the 55" does the job without having to visually scan side to side of the screen while viewing. A matter of finding the balance between personal preference and the state of your eyesight I suppose!

    https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/what-is-the-resolution

    As a footnote for anyone also considering going through the upgrade process, newer sets also provide better picture processing and differing support for newer standards like HDR, HDR10+ and Dolby Vison. Easy access to online content like NetFlix and Amazon Prime which support these standards in varying degrees also comes into play and is still a developing thing. The bandwidth required for streaming content of this nature also comes into play in terms of the internet access plan you have and the download speed and data allowance.

    https://www.techradar.com/au/news/hd...of-dolbys-book
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    Agree, find your ideal seating position for your floor layout and based around ideal screen (and speaker) position, google ideal viewing distances (it is subjective anyway), get the next size up or bigger or go to the shop and (if possible) test those distances to screen size recommendations... then get the next size up :-) or go for a projector which is a whole new subject.

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    Just a heads-up for people that the 'Bay has 20% off on lots of stuff including Home Entertainment until 25 January 2019. You need to log-in to see the specific item's discount or click on the top banner to see the categories included. As usual its lots of stuff that needs to be moved with a few good buys in-between. Also as usual, buyer beware and verify prices outside of EvilBay.

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    Good to see OLED TV's are now coming out with both dolby vision and hdr10+ - you don't have to go without.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsie View Post
    Good to see OLED TV's are now coming out with both dolby vision and hdr10+ - you don't have to go without.
    From what I understand these formats are designed to provide more post production control of HDR content, basically more control of color and brightness. Different Tvs handle the display of these formats in their own way having influence on color and brightness through specific settings.

    I wouldn't base a purchase on whether a TV currently has both Dolby Vision and HDR10+. Unless you're really obsessed with future proofing and paying a heap of money there are other issues I think are more important for good picture quality. If the foundation isn't there then any possible benefits of Dolby Vision or HDR10+ will be lost. Required bandwidth of streamed content in these formats may be a consideration also as they require a quick solid internet connection with a generous data allowance.

    Been watching an Amazon Prime series called Goliath in HDR/Ultra HD which seems to be a showcase of color and contrast control available in HDR. Very impressive on my recently acquired Panasonic OLED. Anything above this quality would be lost on me as it really is quite amazing.
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    Just an update re: the FZ Series of Panasonic OLEDs. For people who want to utilise Stan for streaming movies and tv series, Panasonic finally added the app in an update yesterday to complete the suite. It is now on a level footing with the other brands offering apps for Netflix, Stan, Amazon Prime, FreeView+, BigPond movies (now Telstra TV Box Office), ABC iview, SBS on demand etc.

    I'm still on ADSL2+ and have had no issue streaming including content from Amazon Prime in Ultra HD (surprisingly). Stan comes through with very high quality picture and sound. Netflix seems to be slightly less consistent with sound quality at times compared to the others but overall generally good. Once playing I've never had buffering issues with any of the services. Can't comment on Netflix 4k streaming until I get NBN connected.

    The FZ Panasonic is a solid high quality set and worth a serious look if you're in the market for an OLED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Seems like the big name manufacturers will persist with OLED for 2019 except for Samsung, who still has QLED but will probably have a couple of expensive larger MicroLED screens for sale also. Seems like 2020 for consumer size MicroLED.

    There seems to also be some movement in MiniLED backlighting for the LCD/LED sector. This will seek to resolve the issue of "Blooming" in this type of TV due to the current backlighting technology which divides the screen into a grid with rectangular lit zones that can bleed light into adjoining zones, causing blooming. MiniLED is touted as giving more precise control of backlighting of LCD screens resulting in better picture quality. This tier which sits below OLED in terms of price/affordability would see the picture quality gap narrowing if MiniLED backlighting is introduced.

    TVs supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are becoming the desired standard for high end sets. OLED with its limited ability to achieve the required contrast range without burn-in doesn't do justice to either of these HDR standards when auto dimming is introduced. Samsungs QLED achieves a greater contrast range but does still have a slight issue with blooming and doesn't quite reach the motion handling or upscaling quality of Sony.

    Bottom line is that currently each technology has its strengths and weaknesses but I wouldn't be dropping thousands on an OLED that is purposely dimmed to avoid burn-in, losing its appeal as a HDR 4k set in my book. I'll be waiting until next year I think before looking at an upgrade. 8k is also on its way as well as HDMI 2.1 so for future proofing at the high end of the market, waiting for these to be widely implemented could be worthwhile.
    On a side note, I have often disabled annoying features by getting into the TV's tech menu. Not for the feint of heart, is any mistakes may brick your TV (ie - the firmware is often the same for a whole family of TV's, with minor changes to tell it that it does/does not have an RS232 port, is a US/EU/AU model with features x y and z etc, and telling it that it has something that it doesn't can permanently brick the TV). Samsungs also tend to have an annoying habit of resetting everything if you even activate said menu though, making calibration annoying as hell sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    On a side note - self installed IQ4 on Monday (10mins for the swap and 1hour pfaffing to get 4k honored) and got to watch my first available 4k broadcast of yesterdays ODI on a Sony 75" LCD - WOW - just wow. No I do not work for Foxtel or Sony. :-)
    You should see what a proper 4K signal looks like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Just an update re: the FZ Series of Panasonic OLEDs. For people who want to utilise Stan for streaming movies and tv series, Panasonic finally added the app in an update yesterday to complete the suite. It is now on a level footing with the other brands offering apps for Netflix, Stan, Amazon Prime, FreeView+, BigPond movies (now Telstra TV Box Office), ABC iview, SBS on demand etc.

    I'm still on ADSL2+ and have had no issue streaming including content from Amazon Prime in Ultra HD (surprisingly). Stan comes through with very high quality picture and sound. Netflix seems to be slightly less consistent with sound quality at times compared to the others but overall generally good. Once playing I've never had buffering issues with any of the services. Can't comment on Netflix 4k streaming until I get NBN connected.

    The FZ Panasonic is a solid high quality set and worth a serious look if you're in the market for an OLED.
    Keep in mind, if you are truly serious about image quality, you'd be using an Apple TV 4k, or a high end Android box for your steaming services. The processing in those boxes will ensure a better streaming experience in just about every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Keep in mind, if you are truly serious about image quality, you'd be using an Apple TV 4k, or a high end Android box for your steaming services. The processing in those boxes will ensure a better streaming experience in just about every way.

    Z...

    Yes agreed. Iíve got the Sony A8F which has all of the major apps built in, but I run everything off the AppleTv4K which offers a superior experience and picture quality.

    The TV is essentially just a dumb monitor, albeit a high quality one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    You should see what a proper 4K signal looks like...

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    Not much (zero) live broadcast 4k to compare to Z. Appreciate that any displayed image can only ever be as good as the capturing device, those that operate them and the reproduction method. Worked with shrouded Barcos in a light controlled environment for a long time. Resolution is everything in such work.

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    Buying a TV shouldn't be this complicated.

    Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Buying a TV shouldn't be this complicated.

    Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?
    I think its all down to personal preference and expectations.

    We have a 10 year old 42 inch Panasonic Plasma and are still very satisfied with the colour and definition it delivers, guess it will chuck the sponge in one day, then will be the time to contemplate something to replace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?
    In the capitalist system that's well down the list of why products are made. The a priori reason for making any product is to generate a profit.


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    Yeah we just replaced our old 2005 model. 14 years was a pretty good innings I thought.

    Image quality on the new OLED Is a real leap forward, especially the black levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    especially the black levels.
    Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

    Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

    Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
    G'day Yelta

    You can actually use those strange things called settings to tame down any excess...

    I just watched my 4K of Attenborough's Planet Earth II on my brothers 65" OLED 4k set compared to my mere 65" U-LED 4K set, both using his 4K Panasonic and my OPPO 205 player (bought mainly for the audio quality on SACDs). Both TVs are just under 1 year old, although his cost nearly 4 times more than mine... The OLED added another stunning dimension to the already outstanding picture quality. Worth every cent of extra expense if you are a heavy TV watcher. Personally I manage about 2 hours of TV viewing a day before boredom sets in so the extra quality is not worth considering until my current TV dies - its predecessor was bought in mid 2004, so hopefully by the time my new one carks it OLED's (or the tech after them) should be a sane price.

    Then I played a little of one of those dreadful US soapie pieces of excreta in 4K (his other half's) - massively overbright over-saturated colours to the point he backed the setting down about 4 stages before the skin tones looked only mildly artificial. I guess if either of us weren't fed up with the content by then we could have persisted and got it watchable - in technical terms only.

    Consider me sold on an OLED (or the next tech advance after that) for my next TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Not much (zero) live broadcast 4k to compare to Z. Appreciate that any displayed image can only ever be as good as the capturing device, those that operate them and the reproduction method. Worked with shrouded Barcos in a light controlled environment for a long time. Resolution is everything in such work.
    I meant 4K Blu Ray movies from a good quality 4k BD play (say, OPPO) - Foxtel have the most awful image quality.

    My point is, if you think the Fox 4k image is good - you'll be blown away again when you get proper 4k content. Thats a good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

    Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
    Set the image to movie mode. One of the things I do is calibrate screens - makes a huge difference. If you have a good tele, invest in a Spear & Munsil BD (assuming you also have a 4k BD player), follow the instructions, and you'll be about 90% of the way to a fully calibrated picture for about $30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Keep in mind, if you are truly serious about image quality, you'd be using an Apple TV 4k, or a high end Android box for your steaming services. The processing in those boxes will ensure a better streaming experience in just about every way.

    Z...
    The FZ series Panasonic does high level 4k processing and is renowned for its color/contrast handling as well as very good 4k upscaling. The weak link in my streaming at the moment is not being on NBN so I can't view Netflix and others in 4k yet. I still manage to get Ultra HD on some Amazon Prime content which is pretty damn impressive. HD upscaled to 4k is excellent on Free to Air TV as well as most Streamed HD content. SD as in some content on News services is acceptable but makes me glad I stayed with 55" rather than 65". Both sets have the same resolution but at our viewing distance SD on a 65" would look worse.

    I've also added a Panasonic DP-UB820 4k disc player after finding a cracking deal at 20% off. Same generation as the TV which in the past I found to be a good thing with Panasonic. Bought a couple of 4k mastered discs which highlight the Panasonic's 4k capabilities. I think it will be a very long time before I'll be looking at an upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

    Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
    Many people seem to set up their picture with overly saturated color and boosted contrast and brightness.

    I came from a 50" Panasonic Plasma which had an excellent HD picture especially when run through the tuner on our fairly recent model Panasonic DMR-BWT955GL PVR. On HD Free to Air channels it was very close to the picture quality of my new Panasonic FZ1000 OLED. Once it came to streaming HD movies from Netflix etc the 4k upscaling of the OLED was a noticeable step up and playing 4k discs and Ultra HD content from Amazon Prime is in another league to the HD plasma. My main reason for upgrading was to have access to the streaming apps directly on my TV which my old Plasma or PVR didn't have. The one downside is they have sent Customer Service calls offshore to the Philipines .

    By the way in case it wasn't obvious I've been a fan of medium to higher end Panasonic gear for 20 years or so. Reliable, very good quality and bang for buck ratio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Many people seem to like to set up their picture with overly saturated color and boosted contrast and brightness.
    Many brands come out of the box that way. They default the settings to look attractive on display in the retail store environment. Some brands have sensibly flipped this around to offer good home settings out of the box, and have a "Retail Mode" selection on the menu that the stores can use to enable those "fun arcade" brightness and colours.

    If not, it's a fairly simple process to dial in the settings for home use. As you say, usually involves winding back things like colour saturation, brightness and turning off that awful motion flow stuff.

    As hobbyists of espresso machines and grinders, we know all about dialling in the settings don't we? : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Then I played a little of one of those dreadful US soapie pieces of excreta in 4K (his other half's) - massively overbright over-saturated colours to the point he backed the setting down about 4 stages before the skin tones looked only mildly artificial. I guess if either of us weren't fed up with the content by then we could have persisted and got it watchable - in technical terms only.
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    The correct balance of color, contrast, brightness etc will present 4k at its optimum. The FZ1000 Panasonic has 10 pre-set picture mode selections that vary the settings giving an easy way to find a pre-set picture mode best suited to the content you are viewing. I think I've only ever once selected the User pre-set to play around with settings on a particular piece of content.

    If you go OLED, try to have a good unbiased look at the pros/cons of each brand. I was ready to finally switch from Panasonic to Sony until the OLED dimming issues of Sony came to light . Finding a deal on a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 which priced it at 60% of the equivalent 55" Sony A9F made it a no brainer.

    Comparison review of these 2 TVs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfGs6vHKBA

    The Panasonic FZ952 in UK/Europe is the same model as our Australian FZ1000.
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    Seems that now OLED fever has hit there are some very good deals to be had on UHD LED LCD smart TV's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    The correct balance of color, contrast, brightness etc will present 4k at its optimum. The FZ1000 Panasonic has 10 pre-set picture mode selections that vary the settings giving an easy way to find a pre-set picture mode best suited to the content you are viewing. I think I've only ever once selected the User pre-set to play around with settings on a particular piece of content.

    If you go OLED, try to have a good unbiased look at the pros/cons of each brand. I was ready to finally switch from Panasonic to Sony until the OLED dimming issues of Sony came to light . Finding a deal on a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 which priced it at 60% of the equivalent 55" Sony A9F made it a no brainer.

    Comparison review of these 2 TVs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfGs6vHKBA

    The Panasonic FZ952 in UK/Europe is the same model as our Australian FZ1000.
    G'day CafeLotta

    I can share your Panasonic love. I have a few of their PVRs and they are a delight to use. Even my "near 90" mum can work her way through the interface...

    My brother bought a 4K Panasonic TV (probably the same model as yours) and matching 4K player about a year ago - both are really top notch. Watching my 4K Bluray of Planet Earth II on his TV is almost surreal as it often looked like 3D reality stuck in the middle of his lounge. I bought a U-LED at a bargain basement price "changing model deal" at about the same time. Comparatively my "brand name TV" is rubbish in terms of build quality, and his Panasonic has a markedly better picture and "native sound". If I watched a lot of TV a 65" OLED Panasonic would be sitting in my lounge right now... As an audiophile, my Oppo UD205 is way in front of his player for audio (even in his 7.2 "earthquake zone / boom box" theatre system), however the pictures look identical. So my Oppo was about 3 times the price of his Panasonic and for our respective uses we both got it fairly correct.

    TampIt
    PS I am anti Sony after they surreptitiously installed a root kit on that infamous CD a while back. I.e. no user permission sought. If they cannot see that was completely unethical then they are no better than the pedophile priests that are being exposed far too often nowadays. Bastards one and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Seems that now OLED fever has hit there are some very good deals to be had on UHD LED LCD smart TV's.
    There have been some really good deals offered in the recent past. For those in the market it's worth doing your homework and keeping an eye on pricing so that you're ready to pounce when a cracker deal comes along. Searching OZbargain for previous deals helps identify the lowest prices you can expect to find. (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/).

    EvilBay has had 20% off Home Entertainment gear on a semi-regular basis the last couple of months and worth keeping an eye out for. I bought from VideoPro and had no issues.
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