Came across a decent reference article I thought was worth sharing while going through the excercise of OLED v Qled Tv. There's lots of info online regarding OLED permanent image burn-in and firmware updates than dim screens after 1 min if static images are detected. The article linked below gives a decent overview and is a good start for researching the issues if you're considering an OLED Tv.
Worked for me, Chrome on a Windows7 PC. A good read. 8k TVs are now being shown at CES in Las Vegas along with AI everything, including Cheese makers.
Problem my end, my ad blocker was nuking it, disabled, all good.
Coming from an ISF/THX certified AV/automation business owner.
OLED is great, so long as you don't play games with static images, or watch Fox 8 all day long.
Oh, don't ever buy a curved screen, unless you like sitting in one very specific spot.
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OLED TVs are usually the most expensive models in each manufacturer's range yet are very reminiscent of early plasma screens with their burn-in issues.
My "smartphone" (top oxymoron of last year) has an OLED screen and it has no sign of burn-in after a couple of years of use. It is also by far the brightest, blackest and clearest screen I have owned so far - to the extent that I will probably buy a good OLED for home theatre when the prices come down. Like all new tech it may have a few side effects until it is either sorted or replaced by better tech. The U-LED and Q-LED technology are not even close in terms of viewing. You pays yer muny and yer takes yer choice.
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Having said that - Sony are hardly the only ones with the annoying auto-dim features. I've got an ever growing list of TV's I won't touch due to not being able to turn off "dynamic contrast", and don't get me started on micro dimming - because nothing is more awesome than a hand sized halo around a few white pixels on a black background...
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Samsung are allegedly working on some now form of OLED tech - though most likely for mobile (flexible and also transparent versions).
Their new micro LED tech may be the best bet for TV, with effectively 4k worth of individual LED chips, which would mean you could get true blacks by turning off the individual "pixels". I know they had a demo at CES last year, and they have a 75" on display at CES this year, but it's been a long time since I could justify turning up to all the trade shows. It probably won't be super slim unless it's built into the wall, though.
There seems to also be some movement in MiniLED backlighting for the LCD/LED sector. This will seek to resolve the issue of "Blooming" in this type of TV due to the current backlighting technology which divides the screen into a grid with rectangular lit zones that can bleed light into adjoining zones, causing blooming. MiniLED is touted as giving more precise control of backlighting of LCD screens resulting in better picture quality. This tier which sits below OLED in terms of price/affordability would see the picture quality gap narrowing if MiniLED backlighting is introduced.
TVs supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are becoming the desired standard for high end sets. OLED with its limited ability to achieve the required contrast range without burn-in doesn't do justice to either of these HDR standards when auto dimming is introduced. Samsungs QLED achieves a greater contrast range but does still have a slight issue with blooming and doesn't quite reach the motion handling or upscaling quality of Sony.
Bottom line is that currently each technology has its strengths and weaknesses but I wouldn't be dropping thousands on an OLED that is purposely dimmed to avoid burn-in, losing its appeal as a HDR 4k set in my book. I'll be waiting until next year I think before looking at an upgrade. 8k is also on its way as well as HDMI 2.1 so for future proofing at the high end of the market, waiting for these to be widely implemented could be worthwhile.
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Like you CafeLotta, I will be waiting. Unfortunately the Q-LEDs are nowhere in terms of contrast compared to the OLEDs this week... My 65" LED is barely worse than a Q-LED at 25% of the price - it is still pretty impressive at 4K / HDR until you look at the same movie on a mates OLED (sigh). The excellent is the enemy of the good...
The article also points out their are actually two different OLED technologies. My phone is the tech LG is NOT using, so I may have to wait for that tech to migrate to larger sizes. Self evidently, my rarely used phone has an almost identical display 90+% of the time it is on - it has no sign of burning in (yet) and is still way, way better than the three upmarket 27" IPS screens I am looking at whilst typing this.
Enjoy your TV, whatever it may be.
On a side note - self installed IQ4 on Monday (10mins for the swap and 1hour pfaffing to get 4k honored) and got to watch my first available 4k broadcast of yesterdays ODI on a Sony 75" LCD - WOW - just wow. No I do not work for Foxtel or Sony. :-)
It seems likely that it will be at least 2 years before domestic MicroLED Tvs will be available at a reasonable price and the likely bugs sorted out. All the current higher end TVs seem to have their strengths and weaknesses so after deciding what is most important for me now, I have to confess to buying a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 OLED. On a killer special ($2500) of about 60% the price of a Samsung Q9 QLED and Sony A9F, to me it seems the best option currently, even without Dolby Vision support. Panasonic doesn't seem to have anywhere near the complaints of Sony and LG with dimming or burn-in but no doubt would also be suseptible. Wouldn't recommend paying anywhere near full price for an OLED currently but there's likely to be continued heavy discounting through out the year.
For anyone else going through the process of OLED or not and Panasonic v Sony v LG, this UK review swayed me in the end -
In the UK and Europe, the 55" & 65" Panasonic FZ1000 Tvs are known as FZ952/FZ950 which is confusing as here in Australia, the model below the FZ1000 is known as the FZ950. It doesn't have the Technics soundblade or better remotes which its namesake in the UK/Europe has and is known as the FZ802/FZ800 over there.
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Luckily I am not in the market yet, however the next TV will be a 75" - if I can get one for $2500, consider it bought on sight...
Enjoy your cuppa with a good movie.
As a footnote for anyone also considering going through the upgrade process, newer sets also provide better picture processing and differing support for newer standards like HDR, HDR10+ and Dolby Vison. Easy access to online content like NetFlix and Amazon Prime which support these standards in varying degrees also comes into play and is still a developing thing. The bandwidth required for streaming content of this nature also comes into play in terms of the internet access plan you have and the download speed and data allowance.
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Agree, find your ideal seating position for your floor layout and based around ideal screen (and speaker) position, google ideal viewing distances (it is subjective anyway), get the next size up or bigger or go to the shop and (if possible) test those distances to screen size recommendations... then get the next size up :-) or go for a projector which is a whole new subject.
Just a heads-up for people that the 'Bay has 20% off on lots of stuff including Home Entertainment until 25 January 2019. You need to log-in to see the specific item's discount or click on the top banner to see the categories included. As usual its lots of stuff that needs to be moved with a few good buys in-between. Also as usual, buyer beware and verify prices outside of EvilBay.
Good to see OLED TV's are now coming out with both dolby vision and hdr10+ - you don't have to go without.
I wouldn't base a purchase on whether a TV currently has both Dolby Vision and HDR10+. Unless you're really obsessed with future proofing and paying a heap of money there are other issues I think are more important for good picture quality. If the foundation isn't there then any possible benefits of Dolby Vision or HDR10+ will be lost. Required bandwidth of streamed content in these formats may be a consideration also as they require a quick solid internet connection with a generous data allowance.
Been watching an Amazon Prime series called Goliath in HDR/Ultra HD which seems to be a showcase of color and contrast control available in HDR. Very impressive on my recently acquired Panasonic OLED. Anything above this quality would be lost on me as it really is quite amazing.
Just an update re: the FZ Series of Panasonic OLEDs. For people who want to utilise Stan for streaming movies and tv series, Panasonic finally added the app in an update yesterday to complete the suite. It is now on a level footing with the other brands offering apps for Netflix, Stan, Amazon Prime, FreeView+, BigPond movies (now Telstra TV Box Office), ABC iview, SBS on demand etc.
I'm still on ADSL2+ and have had no issue streaming including content from Amazon Prime in Ultra HD (surprisingly). Stan comes through with very high quality picture and sound. Netflix seems to be slightly less consistent with sound quality at times compared to the others but overall generally good. Once playing I've never had buffering issues with any of the services. Can't comment on Netflix 4k streaming until I get NBN connected.
The FZ Panasonic is a solid high quality set and worth a serious look if you're in the market for an OLED.
Buying a TV shouldn't be this complicated.
Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?
We have a 10 year old 42 inch Panasonic Plasma and are still very satisfied with the colour and definition it delivers, guess it will chuck the sponge in one day, then will be the time to contemplate something to replace it.
Yeah we just replaced our old 2005 model. 14 years was a pretty good innings I thought.
Image quality on the new OLED Is a real leap forward, especially the black levels.
You can actually use those strange things called settings to tame down any excess...
I just watched my 4K of Attenborough's Planet Earth II on my brothers 65" OLED 4k set compared to my mere 65" U-LED 4K set, both using his 4K Panasonic and my OPPO 205 player (bought mainly for the audio quality on SACDs). Both TVs are just under 1 year old, although his cost nearly 4 times more than mine... The OLED added another stunning dimension to the already outstanding picture quality. Worth every cent of extra expense if you are a heavy TV watcher. Personally I manage about 2 hours of TV viewing a day before boredom sets in so the extra quality is not worth considering until my current TV dies - its predecessor was bought in mid 2004, so hopefully by the time my new one carks it OLED's (or the tech after them) should be a sane price.
Then I played a little of one of those dreadful US soapie pieces of excreta in 4K (his other half's) - massively overbright over-saturated colours to the point he backed the setting down about 4 stages before the skin tones looked only mildly artificial. I guess if either of us weren't fed up with the content by then we could have persisted and got it watchable - in technical terms only.
Consider me sold on an OLED (or the next tech advance after that) for my next TV.
I've also added a Panasonic DP-UB820 4k disc player after finding a cracking deal at 20% off. Same generation as the TV which in the past I found to be a good thing with Panasonic. Bought a couple of 4k mastered discs which highlight the Panasonic's 4k capabilities. I think it will be a very long time before I'll be looking at an upgrade.
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I came from a 50" Panasonic Plasma which had an excellent HD picture especially when run through the tuner on our fairly recent model Panasonic DMR-BWT955GL PVR. On HD Free to Air channels it was very close to the picture quality of my new Panasonic FZ1000 OLED. Once it came to streaming HD movies from Netflix etc the 4k upscaling of the OLED was a noticeable step up and playing 4k discs and Ultra HD content from Amazon Prime is in another league to the HD plasma. My main reason for upgrading was to have access to the streaming apps directly on my TV which my old Plasma or PVR didn't have. The one downside is they have sent Customer Service calls offshore to the Philipines .
By the way in case it wasn't obvious I've been a fan of medium to higher end Panasonic gear for 20 years or so. Reliable, very good quality and bang for buck ratio.
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If not, it's a fairly simple process to dial in the settings for home use. As you say, usually involves winding back things like colour saturation, brightness and turning off that awful motion flow stuff.
As hobbyists of espresso machines and grinders, we know all about dialling in the settings don't we? : )
If you go OLED, try to have a good unbiased look at the pros/cons of each brand. I was ready to finally switch from Panasonic to Sony until the OLED dimming issues of Sony came to light . Finding a deal on a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 which priced it at 60% of the equivalent 55" Sony A9F made it a no brainer.
Comparison review of these 2 TVs.
The Panasonic FZ952 in UK/Europe is the same model as our Australian FZ1000.
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Seems that now OLED fever has hit there are some very good deals to be had on UHD LED LCD smart TV's.
I can share your Panasonic love. I have a few of their PVRs and they are a delight to use. Even my "near 90" mum can work her way through the interface...
My brother bought a 4K Panasonic TV (probably the same model as yours) and matching 4K player about a year ago - both are really top notch. Watching my 4K Bluray of Planet Earth II on his TV is almost surreal as it often looked like 3D reality stuck in the middle of his lounge. I bought a U-LED at a bargain basement price "changing model deal" at about the same time. Comparatively my "brand name TV" is rubbish in terms of build quality, and his Panasonic has a markedly better picture and "native sound". If I watched a lot of TV a 65" OLED Panasonic would be sitting in my lounge right now... As an audiophile, my Oppo UD205 is way in front of his player for audio (even in his 7.2 "earthquake zone / boom box" theatre system), however the pictures look identical. So my Oppo was about 3 times the price of his Panasonic and for our respective uses we both got it fairly correct.
PS I am anti Sony after they surreptitiously installed a root kit on that infamous CD a while back. I.e. no user permission sought. If they cannot see that was completely unethical then they are no better than the pedophile priests that are being exposed far too often nowadays. Bastards one and all.
EvilBay has had 20% off Home Entertainment gear on a semi-regular basis the last couple of months and worth keeping an eye out for. I bought from VideoPro and had no issues.
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