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    Ita Buttrose new chair ABC board

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    Lets hope she can get it back on track, it's reached the point of being a venue for constant reruns of tired old programs.

    The news service and current affair programs are a constant barrage of pleading the cause of the socially downtrodden.

    Almost unwatchable.

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    Yeah agreed. ABC has felt quite tired and repetitive for some years now.

    Time for some fresh faces and shows. Also some more uplifting material occasionally would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    Also some more uplifting material occasionally would be nice.
    Amen to that.

    I just wonder Whether a or not a person approaching 80 is up to the job, she certainly has the credentials which is a whole lot more than you can say for her predecessor.

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    You guys must be watching a different channel to me. Sure, there's been repeats of repeats of shows like Grand Designs or Midsomer Murders but there have been some very successful new shows like the Jack Irish series, Mystery Road, Redfern Now, Anh's Brush with Fame plus the comedy of the British panel shows like Would I Lie To You, Pointless, etc.

    It's only repetetive because successive governments have ripped millions of funding from it. If you want a restoration of quality, restore the funding and keep conservative governments away from it with their stacking of the ABC Board and desire to sell it off to please the bosses of the commercial channels.
    I find commercial networks unwatchable. A lot of good content now only appears on pay tv.

    The news service and current affair programs are a constant barrage of pleading the cause of the socially downtrodden
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    That's funny, I thought that was the staple of commercial current affair shows.

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    The ABC and The SBS are the bright lights of Australian television. It is difficult to watch anything on the commercial channels as they are saturated with adverts. Short of anything to watch, all 3 seasons of Berlin Station are available to watch on SBS. Also available the first season of Counterpart, a sci-fi political thriller well worth watching. In fact SBS is overloaded with a huge variety of programmes to stream for free.

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    Agree SBS is putting out a great range of content and its fresh and new and they arenít afraid to take risks. ABC could learn from them.
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    Wont argue about it, I've known and seen far better from the ABC in years gone by.

    Regardless of politics, its a mere shadow of it's former self.

    SBS are little better, stories about the under privileged are easy pickings and require bugger all research, seems everybody has an issue they want to complain about.

    Have we really become a nation of whingers who expect the world but are not prepared to put in the hard yards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    The ABC and The SBS are the bright lights of Australian television.
    Hardly high praise for the rest of them, perhaps Aussies thrive on a barrage of MKR, MAFS and second rate home renovation as well as disgusting American food programs, if this is really the case I hold grave fears for the life style and expectations of our kids.
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    No tv at my place... Not a complaint about the content from me. I haven't watched a bad show in 4yrs.
    Though jjj radio is on a fair bit. Not sure if ita will have control of that as well. I presume so..
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    I enjoy Mad as Hell, there's an avalanche of great material for a new series... hope Ita isn't told to cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    I enjoy Mad as Hell, there's an avalanche of great material for a new series... hope Ita isn't told to cut it.
    I agree, one of the few highlights, not such a new series, its been on air since 2012.

    Planet America is worth watching as well.

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    Totally in agreement with Flynnus comments in post #4.
    I'd add that I would have thought it was time for "The Lisp" to retire and let a younger fresher person have a shot at it. To many 'establishment' snouts in the trough in this country.
    The recent appointments to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal being a case in point (without getting in to so-called diplomatic appointments.)
    Without ABC and SBS I'd have nothing to watch, although I'd like to see less 'bleeding-heart' propaganda on SBS and an end to the Gambling advertisements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Lets hope she can get it back on track, it's reached the point of being a venue for constant reruns of tired old programs.

    The news service and current affair programs are a constant barrage of pleading the cause of the socially downtrodden.

    Almost unwatchable.
    Rather than just "another job for the girls" to meet quotas, at least Ita has a proven track record and will likely stamp her mark on the ABC. Good choice I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Rather than just "another job for the girls" to meet quotas, at least Ita has a proven track record and will likely stamp her mark on the ABC. Good choice I'd say.
    I'm inclined to agree CafeLotta, I guess time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Rather than just "another job for the girls" to meet quotas, at least Ita has a proven track record and will likely stamp her mark on the ABC. Good choice I'd say.
    Agree that Ita is a good choice with a proven track record but disagree that having quotas of women to fill executive positions is not a good thing. The problem with power is that men have had such a hold on it (for thousands of years), it is difficult for women to get even a foot in the door because of the power (and money) at stake. Yes, the risk of a quota of women is that that means that the best candidate is not always chosen but there are plenty of mediocre men in power, especially in politics. There are several examples of successful matriarchies in our world.
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    My feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
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    and when, through quotas, women form a critical mass near enough to 50%, then quotas will lose relevance and fall away while people can be selected entirely on merit, without prejudicial bias that exists today.
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    How could you not believe, what Ita tells you is true ?

    after all....
    Every day and every night
    She's the only one we can depend upon !

    I believe, in what she says....Yes I do
    Don't you?

    I believe, at the end of the day
    Her ABC will get us through.

    To every housewife throughout the land
    There is No-One else they can depend upon...

    Oh goodness gracious ....God help us !

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    Ita Buttrose new chair ABC board

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    My feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
    I think that gender quotas are a reaction to employers not picking the best person for the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EspressoAdventurer View Post
    How could you not believe, what Ita tells you is true ?

    after all....
    Every day and every night
    She's the only one we can depend upon !

    I believe, in what she says....Yes I do
    Don't you?

    I believe, at the end of the day
    Her ABC will get us through.

    To every housewife throughout the land
    There is No-One else they can depend upon...

    Oh goodness gracious ....God help us !
    Yeh well, she's just savouring familiar sights .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    My feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
    Yes, that's why we need quotas: without them it appears that middle aged white guys always seem to think that the "best able / qualified people" are other midddle aged white guys.

    On the perfectly reasonable assumption that the most able people are spread across the population, quotas do not prevent the most able people being hired unless the hiring organisation is playing catchup because of an unbalanced previous hiring policy. In this case the fault is with the previous policy, not the quota.

    BTW I'm a middle aged white guy, so this is not an argument from self interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    Yes, that's whay we need quotas: without them it appears that middle aged white guys always seem to think that the "best able / qualified people" are other midddle aged white guys.

    On the perfectly reasonable assumption that the most able people are spread across the population, quotas do not prevent the most able people being hired unless the hiring organisation is playing catchup because of an unbalanced previous hiring policy. In this case the fault is with the previous policy, not the quota.

    BTW I'm a middle aged white guy, so this is not an argument from self interest.
    I think there's a lot truth in this. But where I work, in my division all of my seniors are (very well qualified) females who do a fantastic job. However, other parts of the organisation have very few female employees in general, and even fewer females in senior roles. And you can guess how the organisation sorts out the averages. As a consequence, I'm leaving a place that I've given 15 years to. It's a tricky one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    My feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
    Totally agree Yelta. The primary consideration should be whether someone is best qualified and has the best experience/track record for the job. Consideration also needs to be given to as whether the candidate has the personality required to blend into a team or organisation and I believe any employer has the right to decide this. I don't agree with any prejudice based on race, sex, age etc. but also don't agree with imposed quotas, especially in government when a person's gender puts them in front of a better candidate. Key portfolios like defence need the absolute best candidate filling the job, not a politically motivated PC appointment. Equal opportunity doesn't exist in a quota system when the best candidates are excluded based on the quota definitions. This is also discrimination.
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    Quotas are not discriminatory unless the organisation is correcting past discrimination, which is all too frequently the case.

    For a case study of what happens when you don't apply quotas, look no further than the liberal / national parties. It is very difficult to believe there wasn't a smarter woman available in Dutton's electorate.
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    I suspect Rex Harrison got it right.

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    Alan Jay Lerner (Lerner & Loewe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    Quotas are not discriminatory unless the organisation is correcting past discrimination, which is all too frequently the case.
    By definition quotas are discriminatory.


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    That's simply not true. Look up the definition of discrimination.

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    Quotas and affirmative action are built on the misguided belief that you can fix discrimination with discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrebird View Post
    That's simply not true. Look up the definition of discrimination.
    Per Merriam-Webster:

    Definition of discrimination

    1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment racial discrimination
    b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually


    Definition of quota

    1 : a proportional part or share especially : the share or proportion assigned to each in a division or to each member of a body
    2 : the number or amount constituting a proportional share
    3 : a fixed number or percentage of minority group members or women needed to meet the requirements of affirmative action


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    God knows there are plenty of men in positions of power doing shiteful jobs. Take politics as an example.

    I'm happy to see more women run rings around the useless, self-centered pigs we overpay to gorge themselves at our expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    ... the misguided belief that you can fix discrimination with discrimination.
    Do you have a research reference for that?

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    let's try illustrating this in coffee terms.


    20g in, 40g out in a 22g basket.

    something's not right, the shot's coming out more bitter than usual!

    clearly a case of overextraction. grind coarser.

    now it's sour and watery and bitter!

    maybe we went too coarse. need to grind a bit finer, or maybe tamp harder...

    ....wait a second, why don't we dose up to 22g? 20g seems too low for the basket. would probably encourage channelling. especially if your puck prep is inconsistent.

    ...no, that would be ridiculous, we've always done 20g in a 22g basket. just grind finer, or adjust your tamp, and we'll get it! that's what works for us! now i'll go get the bathroom scales...

    but the basket should be filled to its rating. that makes the most sense.

    no, but then we'll have to buy and use more coffee. we can fix this with by adjusting the grind. this is how we do it - we know what to expect.

    shouldn't we use the best dose for the basket?

    well we could, and it's a nice thought, but that means we'd have to use more coffee, which is expensive, and we don't even know if it'll work or not. we'll probably waste more coffee and time trying to change it. plus i've already divided up all my coffee into nice 20g portions. let's just stick with what we know.
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    You been self medicating Woodhouse?
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    Throughout history men have grouped together and sallied forth to protect their turf, leaving the women to look after the home and kids. As a consequence men will cooperate to achieve a given goal - women not so much.
    Excluding 51% of our population (some women would say 90% of our combined brain power) from the decision making process, risks making us as backward as some of the countries that still do.
    Some sort of quota is needed.

    Ps from my experiences with combined households (usually due to economic necessity) the men will share the workshop, the kids will share their toys, but getting women to share the kitchen - forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    You been self medicating Woodhouse?
    nah just trying to put it in terms this board might relate to. you want me to add milk and sugar too?

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    A nicely timed piece from the BBC: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders?

    And...When you add in the effects of prejudice and The Peter Principle is it any surprise there are so many incompetents in positions of authority?


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