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Thread: 3D is dead, again.

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    3D is dead, again.

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    Had a smile at this, I recall as a kid in the 1950's how 3D took the world by storm and was going to revolutionise the film industry, lasted for a while then quietly died, like most things it's recently been given another outing with a (predictable) similar result.
    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/3d-is-dead-almost-long-live-the-food-to-your-seat-luxury-cinema-20190607-p51vh6.html

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    I go to the pictures once every few years now and do prefer the "gold class" with a shared cheese platter and a glass of red. If I'm going that infrequently it's nice to make a comfy occasion / date-night out of it but there are not enough movies I want to see in 2D or 3D to go more often.

    We did Mad Max Fury Road in 3D, big effects, fun in 3D but (spoiler alert) it was just a car chase in one direction for half the movie and then they turned around a came back. I still don't know what the story was and not entirely sure the 3D made it more immersive but it was a night out.

    My kids go (normal, not gold) a handful of times a year but I expect that's more about eating popcorn with their mates than actually "needing" to see a movie.

    We used to go to the drive-in every Sunday night (when I was 18ish) didn't matter what was on or if we had seen it, it was just something we all did. I miss those times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    We used to go to the drive-in every Sunday night (when I was 18ish) didn't matter what was on or if we had seen it, it was just something we all did. I miss those times!
    So do I, great family night out.

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    Yeah, the Drive-in.
    Watered-down cordial drinks, expensive fast-food, forgetting where you were parked and spending most of the second movie trying to find the car, the 'Cool crowd' in their P Vans reversed in with the matress in the back, idiots who put their foot on the brake when smooching the girlfriend and got tooted by the cars behind, the ones who forgot to remove the speaker before driving off, the end-of-movie Grand Prix to get out the gate first.
    Great times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Yeah, the Drive-in.
    Watered-down cordial drinks, expensive fast-food, forgetting where you were parked and spending most of the second movie trying to find the car, the 'Cool crowd' in their P Vans reversed in with the matress in the back, idiots who put their foot on the brake when smooching the girlfriend and got tooted by the cars behind, the ones who forgot to remove the speaker before driving off, the end-of-movie Grand Prix to get out the gate first.
    Great times!
    Loved the Drive-ins. Don't know about the "Cool Crowd" but did love reversing in the lowered black HG Panel Van and watching the movie with the Tailgate window open. Looked great with a few PVs lined up. Mainly a summer activity though. Things improved greatly when they went from the speaker on the door window to the Aerial clip so you could run audio through your car's sound system.

    https://australiarememberwhen.net.au...e-in-pictures/
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    3D movies are like fireworks; boring after about ten minutes. It's mostly in the story and dialogue. Some of the eye candy is nice too - never gets old.
    As I remember it, drive-ins were great places to take your girl for some privacy. Beats having a copper knocking on the car window and shining a torch in your face, or worse, whilst inquiring "Are you ok young lady?" Presumably because I looked so much like a deviant serial killer.

    Ps ah! Some of the old days were good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    3D movies are like fireworks; boring after about ten minutes. It's mostly in the story and dialogue. Some of the eye candy is nice too - never gets old.
    As I remember it, drive-ins were great places to take your girl for some privacy. Beats having a copper knocking on the car window and shining a torch in your face, or worse, whilst inquiring "Are you ok young lady?" Presumably because I looked so much like a deviant serial killer.

    Ps ah! Some of the old days were good.
    Yep, all of that, as you say, the good old days, no drugs either, well, perhaps a few beers.

    I remember the drive in at the opal town of Andamooka fondly, deck chairs under the stars with a carton of stubbies, wonderful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    ...the ones who forgot to remove the speaker before driving off,...
    I resemble that remark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCD View Post
    ............. Beats having a copper knocking on the car window and shining a torch in your face............
    It almost became a bit of sport with a few of the local coppers back in the day, finding out where the new make-out spots were. One older copper used to have a laugh with the younger female recruits by doing the rounds searching. He'd stand back having a giggle to himself while the young recruits would have to perform "Coppus Interruptus". Got that bad that we even tried driving out of town to Rural areas to get some Privacy. Even that didn't work. Still remember the banging on the side of the PV at 3am one morning. Parked in among the trees with paddocks on all sides, the cops still found us. Maybe that's why PVs went out of fashion as they were cop magnets?
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    Even:

    If this van's a-rocking,
    Don't come a-knocking.

    Plastered all over the side of your Sandman didn't deter them.

    A Kenworth parked at a truck stop worked a treat.

    Ps even a car parked next to a truck, at a truck stop, will be left alone. Coppers will likely conclude that hubby and wifey are having a quick get together, before hubby heads off again. Hiding in plain view.
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    The only worthwhile 3D experience was Avatar as the movie was optimised for 3D. It's probably the only cinema experience I can actually fully remember. Going to see it on opening night was great, the 3D was so well done that you didn't feel like you were just watching something through some funny glasses to make the images look different. You watched it and it was real.

    Nothing else was the same and didn't warrant the extra ticket price. Same thing with 3D TV's, they came and went pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    The only worthwhile 3D experience was Avatar as the movie was optimised for 3D. It's probably the only cinema experience I can actually fully remember. Going to see it on opening night was great, the 3D was so well done that you didn't feel like you were just watching something through some funny glasses to make the images look different. You watched it and it was real.

    Nothing else was the same and didn't warrant the extra ticket price. Same thing with 3D TV's, they came and went pretty quickly.
    I'm still waiting for the holodeck to be perfected. Wish they would hurry up - I'm not getting any younger.

    Ps live long and prosper.
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    As one who appreciates the classics, for me the only worthy film that utilised 3D technology to its full potential was Jackass 3D. https://youtu.be/lEFx1qmW4ts

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    The only worthwhile 3D experience was Avatar as the movie was optimised for 3D. It's probably the only cinema experience I can actually fully remember. Going to see it on opening night was great, the 3D was so well done that you didn't feel like you were just watching something through some funny glasses to make the images look different. You watched it and it was real.

    Nothing else was the same and didn't warrant the extra ticket price. Same thing with 3D TV's, they came and went pretty quickly.
    G'day noidle22

    I agree about Avatar. Way better in 3D than standard Bluray. Some of the best visuals I know of.

    The only other 3D movies which I can recall that were truly stunning in parts:-
    Bambi (about 1958) - Some of the scenes were startling. Disney technical guys almost beat Fantasia (the 1940 one) for amazing animation. Half of Wagga Wagga must have seen it once a week for months.
    Amistad - although it was pretty visually gruesome in a lot of spots. The sailing shots were just incredible.

    This is the second time that 3D has come and gone, however I suspect we will eventually have great 3D holograms - just not this year.

    It reminds me of 4 channel in the '70's - from hero to zero in a few years. My Santana Abraxas SQ quad is still by far the best transfer of that album - to the point that every remastering so far has been a poor joke. Also Tubular Bells and Dark Side of the Moon were brilliant 4 channel vinyls. To get the technology to work first you had to design the right room, then spend an arm and a leg on a Lafayette SQ decoder or the Sanyo (professional) QSD1 QS decoder followed by a stack of quality amplifiers and matched speakers etc etc etc. Then it was incredible. I have both, although ironically Abraxas works better on the competing QS decoder. The mastering back then was really hit and miss - so was the recording - I remember a few strange, inexplicable fails among the successes I did. Luckily it was only a hobby for me, I could not have done 4 channel recording for a living and maintained what little sanity I still possess.

    Nowadays multi channel audio is everywhere. At its best (start by designing the room etc - same process if you want it to be extraordinary) it is a big, big step up from stereo.

    Anyway, if technology didn't have the odd snafu / delay / upgrade the whole economy would slow down - and guys like me would have to find something more productive to do (like make better coffee).


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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    I agree about Avatar. Way better in 3D than standard Bluray. Some of the best visuals I know of.
    There's a couple of short YouTube clips of Avatar in remastered 4k Ultra HD HDR10+. One clip is quite amazing viewed on a 4k TV (Flight scene).
    Last edited by CafeLotta; 13th June 2019 at 09:32 AM. Reason: Not Studio remaster. Corrected comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    There's a couple of short YouTube clips of Avatar in remastered 4k Ultra HD for a future release 4k Bluray disc. One clip is quite amazing viewed on a 4k TV (Flight scene). Be interesting to see how the final product stacks up.
    Greetings CafeLotta, I trust all is well.

    Thanks for that - consider me in the long term queue for Avatar in higher resolutions as they are released. Amazing visuals, OK characters and plot. FWIW, my 3D Bluray is a lot better than the 2D Bluray visually. I wonder how the 4K 2D (presumably) one will stack up?

    FYI, I have already replaced / updated a few of my DVDs / Blurays with the 4K ones, and most of them have been an improvement. Serenity is really good in 4K, whilst the director's cut (i.e. without the horrible HF voice over) of Bladerunner is way, way better (actually, damn near unrecognisable) compared to my old DVD of it. Oh, and all the new Attenboroughs are "even more amazing" if that is possible.

    Be aware - Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets" 4K is almost identical to the early Blurays - utter ripoff - if there is any difference at all, my "3rd generation" Bluray* is better. I suspect there will be a few more of those coming out as our "ethical movie studios" do a cash grab without reprocessing their stock properly. Nice to know that such a huge, money making franchise can treat their customer like woolly sheep ready to be fleeced. It also had the dubious distinction of what seemed like the longest copyright warnings** in history - I presume you were supposed to be so grateful that they made a new copy for you to purview that your critical faculties wood have shut down by the time the show actually started - or else you were too tired to notice that there was minimal difference for your extra cash outlay.



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    *Chamber of Secrets 4K: In the Blurays I waited until they fixed the colour as the early Bluray releases had truly ghastly colour balance (so did "How to train your Dragon" and "Neverending story" - both also fixed later). We used to joke that NTSC stood for "Never Twice the Same Colour" (for tech nerds, it guessed the colour palette - look it up), perhaps the US movie studio decided to have the last laugh at our expense (again) and reuse the old method. So then the 4K came out in near enough to the same colour as the first Bluray release and the same detail level as my later Bluray visually. You have been warned. Pity it is the only HP movie I would watch more than once.

    **Copyright warnings: Am I the only one who is getting seriously pissed off that my legally purchased copy has this interminable WOFT in what seems like 1,000 different languages at the beginning (and other times as well) whereas my friend's pirated copies don't? I am really tempted to get pirated ones just to avoid their crap. Not being an anthropologist, I do not need a Rosetta Stone... and don't get me started on trailers for other movies... I have been avoiding video editing for years, however I can really see the heavy use of a pair of editing scissors these days to cut all the fluff from both ends of the movie I actually paid for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Thanks for that - consider me in the long term queue for Avatar in higher resolutions as they are released. Amazing visuals, OK characters and plot. FWIW, my 3D Bluray is a lot better than the 2D Bluray visually. I wonder how the 4K 2D (presumably) one will stack up?
    Hi TampIt,

    If you have 4k UHD HDR10+ now, the link for the Avatar clip in 4k UHD HDR10+ is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYFJFicDLdk

    I just read the video comments and it turns out it wasn't a studio remaster but rather one done by YouTube channel owner HDR-X to show how it could look in HDR10+ if remastered.

    P.S. It's worth keeping an eye out on the JB HiFi site as they have semi-regular specials on 4k BluRays. (You might have spotted these already?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Hi TampIt,

    If you have 4k UHD HDR10+ now, the link for the Avatar clip in 4k UHD HDR10+ is - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYFJFicDLdk

    I just read the video comments and it turns out it wasn't a studio remaster but rather one done by YouTube channel owner HDR-X to show how it could look in HDR10+ if remastered.

    P.S. It's worth keeping an eye out on the JB HiFi site as they have semi-regular specials on 4k BluRays. (You might have spotted these already?)
    G'day CafeLotta

    Avatar clip in 4k - shame it wasn't Cameron. I suppose it figures as it was actually shot in 3D from the outset. We will just have to wait for room sized 3D holgrams - hopefully in my lifetime.

    JB HiFi: The local store is not only full of knowledgeable young, enthusiastic staff, they tell me in advance what is going on special if they think I would be interested. As a regular customer my only issue is that on a bad day it seems their total combined age is still less than mine... Having bought a lot of gear from them (numerous Blurays and CDs, 4 or 5 TomToms*, 2 TVs, four or five Panasonic DVR / tuners, a 4K player etc) over the last few years has advantages.

    I am hoping Lucifer season 4 comes out in 4K - love his car... and his pet guardian.

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    Yes, I remember the 1970s short-lived quadraphonic craze, and I even had a Realistic Radioshack stereo amplifier with a simulated quad sound....But moving on to 3D.

    We have a 60 inch 3D TV which active shutter glasses, but there is very little content to watch on it so we rarely use the feature.
    Eliminate children's 3D cartoon films, and the el-cheapo 3D which are shot with one camera then digitised to 3D, and there aint much left.

    Some films were partly shot with one camera, so everything is 2D...then up come scenes shot in 3D...crazy.

    The TV has an inbuilt "simulated" 3D which claims to turn anything 2D into 3D --but it's pretty ineffective.

    Having said that, let me say this... what made for 3D material we have seen, is stunning.

    There was one about the marine environment.....the fish truly appeared to be swimming outside the TV screen, in the middle of the loungeroom.

    Some Youtube material also....there is one with a snake that scared me so much I had to leave the chair to escape it's approach...but it just kept following me!

    The sensation of action moving out of the confines of the screen to take place like a hologram between you and the TV is amazing.

    Pity there's so little to available to see.
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